ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 14, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 14, 2022 For whatever it's worth, AOC is above Biden (and Pete) on this YouGov ranking in terms of popularity? https://today.yougov.com/ratings/politics/popularity/Democrats/all Doubt this is anything meaningful, but it's interesting nonetheless and fun to sift through.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Thuggin said: Pete has 0 percent chance of ever winning a general election even if he did ever get the nom. No one wants gay charisma-less Obama impersonator. Tea. Plus someone who does even worse among Independents than Biden certainly doesn't have a chance
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 I get that Biden's panned ass is the blue Trump, but it is VERY Trumpian for Biden to try to spin that 64% stat into a positive. She said that too. And she added the "there are many polls" part, which she WOULDN'T do if it were a glowing poll result! Imagine not taking accountability for your failure. Accountable people, in response to a stat like that 64% one, would be like "I'm panned. It's time to fix that by fixing MYSELF" but Biden would rather keep being awful because "it's the voters' fault"
45seconds Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 38 minutes ago, Bloo said: For whatever it's worth, AOC is above Biden (and Pete) on this YouGov ranking in terms of popularity? https://today.yougov.com/ratings/politics/popularity/Democrats/all Doubt this is anything meaningful, but it's interesting nonetheless and fun to sift through. AOC would get absolutely demolished in a general. She’s get demolished in a head to head against Biden for that matter.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 14, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, 45seconds said: AOC would get absolutely demolished in a general. She’s get demolished in a head to head against Biden for that matter. The vast majority of people in this thread already think this. Myself included, see the post below. That doesn't nullify the importance of broadening the leftist movement beyond just Bernie and identifying key players that could maybe see that through. Bernie never made it to the General Election but was still successful in helping make leftist positions mainstream. We still need others to do that at the bare minimum. AOC could do that. Hence the highlighting of her popularity via this source ranking I just now discovered.
Cruel Summer Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, 45seconds said: AOC would get absolutely demolished in a general. She’s get demolished in a head to head against Biden for that matter. To be absolutely honest, while I think she’d lose to someone like DeSantis right now, I think she’d do way better than Pete or Kamala, who are completely unelectable IMO.
Armani? Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 The Hispanic poll numbers are a dumpster fire They're so out of touch with their communities. All that payola propaganda targeting them trying to counteract the backlash not working it looks like
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: To be absolutely honest, while I think she’d lose to someone like DeSantis right now, I think she’d do way better than Pete or Kamala, who are completely unelectable IMO. No wonder Sunny Hostin stans them Edited July 14, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
Buddy Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Kassi said: Okay, and some people started paying attention to politics because of Hillary, or Bush, or Pelosi, or Trump, or Obama, or AOC, or Elon Musk, or The View, or w/e. Still hasn't impacted your (and most of our) life in any material way. He is the definition of vapid and do-nothing. Even the issues he supposedly champions have long been a part of the Democratic Party platform and been championed to a far greater degree by other party figures, e.g. single-payer = Ted Kennedy, climate change = Al Gore, campaign finance = Biden, anti-war = Nancy Pelosi (and these are people with actual receipts behind their support). Even at his peak, Bernie was basically Ted Kennedy if Ted Kennedy was soft on guns and low-key xenophobic. All of those issues have gone to hell in a handbasket to dystopian proportions, so I'm not sure why you're only pointing out Bernie's lack of effective legislation while propping up others. My point and truth was that Bernie and Bernie alone was effective in pushing me towards fighting for those positions, and there's nothing you can say to change that truth because it's my truth. He may not have been effective in passing legislative to secure a positive trajectory for those positions (NO ONE HAS, in case you haven't noticed this country is going backwards on all said fronts), albeit he has been profoundly effective in convincing an entire generation that certain rights are possible and deserved. Whether or not he was the first to push certain ideals, there's no denying he has opened up a fresh lane of perceived prospects in politics for the youth of the United States. You know it. And you hate it.
Buddy Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Armani? said: The Hispanic poll numbers are a dumpster fire They're so out of touch with their communities. All that payola propaganda targeting them trying to counteract the backlash not working it looks like The way black people have done the absolute most for Biden but it seems he has done the LEAST for them.
Armani? Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Buddy said: The way black people have done the absolute most for Biden but it seems he has done the LEAST for them. His approval is lower that usual with Black voters, we just wont vote Republican
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Armani? said: His approval is lower that usual with Black voters, we just wont vote Republican And he won Black voters in the General by a smaller percentage margin than the unelectable Hillary did (and that was back when he wasn't absolutely panned like now), so
Armani? Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: What an embarrassment. This is what a 38% approval rating looks like. Only down south from here once that anti abortion judge gets appointed ?
GhostBox Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, rihannabiggestfan said: No Bernie, no blue Nevada 2024 Bernie in 24 isn’t gonna happen no matter how many memes you post.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 14, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 14, 2022 49 minutes ago, Armani? said: This is what a 38% approval rating looks like. Only down south from here once that anti abortion judge gets appointed ? The way some neolibs will continue to defend this is infuriating.
Thuggin Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 Usually I don’t like posting tweets from random accounts, but holy **** I had to make an exception here. If this take doesn’t illustrate everything that’s wrong with American politics. Tbh this even sounds like something a certain user who frequents this thread would say.
spree Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Bernie in 24 isn’t gonna happen no matter how many memes you post. I know right? Like this is ridiculous at this point. The posts need to stop and the reality needs to be dealt with.
GraceRandolph Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 49 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Bernie in 24 isn’t gonna happen no matter how many memes you post. 24 minutes ago, spree said: I know right? Like this is ridiculous at this point. The posts need to stop and the reality needs to be dealt with. At least he’s better than Biden.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 Lock his ugly, deplorable ass UP already.
BlueTimberwolf Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Buddy said: The way black people have done the absolute most for Biden but it seems he has done the LEAST for them. You get what you vote for, he was the choice of black voters. No sympathies there.
Kassi Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Buddy said: All of those issues have gone to hell in a handbasket to dystopian proportions, so I'm not sure why you're only pointing out Bernie's lack of effective legislation while propping up others. My point and truth was that Bernie and Bernie alone was effective in pushing me towards fighting for those positions, and there's nothing you can say to change that truth because it's my truth. He may not have been effective in passing legislative to secure a positive trajectory for those positions (NO ONE HAS, in case you haven't noticed this country is going backwards on all said fronts), albeit he has been profoundly effective in convincing an entire generation that certain rights are possible and deserved. Whether or not he was the first to push certain ideals, there's no denying he has opened up a fresh lane of perceived prospects in politics for the youth of the United States. You know it. And you hate it. Really? No one…? Not to mention when this Ed Markey led climate bill failed in the Senate, Obama directed the EPA to tackle CO2 émission via regulatory pathways, resulting in emissions peaking and never going back up. Or how the ACA (the drama of which probably prevented the Senate from seriously tackling climate change… guess not every chamber can be led by a Nancy) literally halved the instances of medical bankruptcies as more people were able to find affordable, more comprehensive coverage. Like, I don’t know how you can call yourself a “progressive” and then do your darnest to not recognize progress. How does that even work?
Kassi Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 2 hours ago, rihannabiggestfan said: #AnyoneButBiden2024 “Obama cleared the field!!!” as cope will never NOT be the funniest self-own. Imagine complaining that your candidate lost because there were FEWER options running him. Mama, pls! Like, the math ain’t mathing. If Bernie couldn’t win the most votes in a binary primary on his own, how the hell did his supporters think he even had a chance in the general election against a sitting incumbent? It’s so evident to see that two of Biden’s coalitional strengths, white suburbia and black voters, would have checked out. All for the fleeting chance that rural and non-college whites would decide to ditch Trump for Bernie (cause we know young voters wouldn’t be turning out).
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