GhostBox Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Todays Supreme Court decision is exactly why I'll vote for old senile Joe over Trump any day ๐คท
Vermillion Posted June 28 Posted June 28 The hubris of these operatives to rely on this debate as their barometer to ask him to leave. ย I don't believe the conspiracy this timing was deliberate but still. ย All of this was so predictable. I don't have the energy to be shocked or depressed about it. 1
If U Seek Amy Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Redstreak said: Nothing makes sense to me anymore ๐ While obviously Biden did horrible, people online are overreacting insanely to a bad debate ๐ Like it's obviously bad and I'm not arguing it wasn't, but anyone who thinks this is going to be what changes the election is stuck in an emotional panic state still. The media for sure is eating up the grip they now have on people's fears, the ultimate engagement producer. They are going to promote that as much as possible now for views and money. ย Debates historically do almost nothing and this will be forgotten so fast. They have plenty of time to recover from this. People also think reactions = votes flipping or staying home when we have no measure of all this noise besides some quick snap polls. Biden supporters and Trump supporters will remain as such. Biden looked decrepit af but Trump also was Trump. He avoided many questions and said many unpopular things. Also we don't even have measure of those not paying attention. The online world can be so distorting of reality and what matters. I even expect some short term polls drops, but this is hardly the end ๐ most of the time people complaining were never going to vote for him anyway so their opinion means really nothing. Very few opinions actually matter right now
If U Seek Amy Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Redstreak said: Nothing makes sense to me anymore ๐ While obviously Biden did horrible, people online are overreacting insanely to a bad debate ๐ Like it's obviously bad and I'm not arguing it wasn't, but anyone who thinks this is going to be what changes the election is stuck in an emotional panic state still. The media for sure is eating up the grip they now have on people's fears, the ultimate engagement producer. They are going to promote that as much as possible now for views and money. ย Debates historically do almost nothing and this will be forgotten so fast. They have plenty of time to recover from this. People also think reactions = votes flipping or staying home when we have no measure of all this noise besides some quick snap polls. Biden supporters and Trump supporters will remain as such. Biden looked decrepit af but Trump also was Trump. He avoided many questions and said many unpopular things. Also we don't even have measure of those not paying attention. The online world can be so distorting of reality and what matters. I even expect some short term polls drops, but this is hardly the end ๐ most of the time people complaining were never going to vote for him anyway so their opinion means really nothing. Very few opinions actually matter right now
If U Seek Amy Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Redstreak said: Nothing makes sense to me anymore ๐ While obviously Biden did horrible, people online are overreacting insanely to a bad debate ๐ Like it's obviously bad and I'm not arguing it wasn't, but anyone who thinks this is going to be what changes the election is stuck in an emotional panic state still. The media for sure is eating up the grip they now have on people's fears, the ultimate engagement producer. They are going to promote that as much as possible now for views and money. ย Debates historically do almost nothing and this will be forgotten so fast. They have plenty of time to recover from this. People also think reactions = votes flipping or staying home when we have no measure of all this noise besides some quick snap polls. Biden supporters and Trump supporters will remain as such. Biden looked decrepit af but Trump also was Trump. He avoided many questions and said many unpopular things. Also we don't even have measure of those not paying attention. The online world can be so distorting of reality and what matters. I even expect some short term polls drops, but this is hardly the end ๐ most of the time people complaining were never going to vote for him anyway so their opinion means really nothing. Very few opinions actually matter right now
If U Seek Amy Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Redstreak said: Nothing makes sense to me anymore ๐ While obviously Biden did horrible, people online are overreacting insanely to a bad debate ๐ Like it's obviously bad and I'm not arguing it wasn't, but anyone who thinks this is going to be what changes the election is stuck in an emotional panic state still. The media for sure is eating up the grip they now have on people's fears, the ultimate engagement producer. They are going to promote that as much as possible now for views and money. ย Debates historically do almost nothing and this will be forgotten so fast. They have plenty of time to recover from this. People also think reactions = votes flipping or staying home when we have no measure of all this noise besides some quick snap polls. Biden supporters and Trump supporters will remain as such. Biden looked decrepit af but Trump also was Trump. He avoided many questions and said many unpopular things. Also we don't even have measure of those not paying attention. The online world can be so distorting of reality and what matters. I even expect some short term polls drops, but this is hardly the end ๐ most of the time people complaining were never going to vote for him anyway so their opinion means really nothing. Very few opinions actually matter right now
GoatGly Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Hex said: I hate this country. I really do lol. ย Trump spewing absolute nonsense and buzzwords. But of course all the public (and seemingly ATRL) will care about was Biden sounding rough. Cleary he has some cold at the moment. What he was saying was mostly totally sound. Some of you seem to genuinely WANT Trump in office which is absolutely abhorrent, just to make a point that Biden has been a failure. One is a bad option, the other is absolutely dangerous to our country... shouldn't be a hard decision. Nobody here wants Trumpt to win, I'm casting my vote for Biden no matter what in November but Biden needed to come out and look strong and not muddle his thoughts and he was incapable of doing that. Everything Trump says is an outlandish lie but that's all his base does so it dosen't affect him at all.
chessguy99 Posted June 28 Posted June 28 3 hours ago, Communion said: You thinking the issue to COVID was...the government doing too much? Dear God help us all.ย I think Obama's ban on gain of function research hindered the Chinese research that created COVID. They had no access to what research the US had done before the ban and there was no US funds going to such research in Wuhan. Trump was conned by Fauci into rescinding that ban. I think Hillary would have too.ย It's fact that US funds found their way to Wuhan after Trump rescinded that ban. Two years later we had COVID. Maybe Hillary would have had a better response. But, we may never had to face COVID if those funds hadn't found their way to Wuhan. 1
GoatGly Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Let me send Biden five dollars I cannot let that evil cheeto man win
Hex Posted June 28 Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, GoatGly said: Nobody here wants Trumpt to win, I'm casting my vote for Biden no matter what in November but Biden needed to come out and look strong and not muddle his thoughts and he was incapable of doing that. Everything Trump says is an outlandish lie but that's all his base does so it dosen't affect him at all. I agree. Sick or not, Biden didn't sound fully coherent. At the end of the day, we're voting for an administration. ย That said there ARE indeed people on this site and across leftist spaces on social media that want to see the Democrats fail. They are opting to not vote or throw it away to a third party - selfish behavior.ย 1 1
GoatGly Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Hex said: I agree. Sick or not, Biden didn't sound fully coherent. At the end of the day, we're voting for an administration. ย That said there ARE indeed people on this site and across leftist spaces on social media that want to see the Democrats fail. They are opting to not vote or throw it away to a third party - selfish behavior.ย Incredibly selfsish and the women and minorities that suffer because of it will be their fault 1
bunnyeyes Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Suddenly the Dem establishment is too nice to ask Biden to sit out because he's a sweet old man. Why not pretend he's a progressive and do to him what they did to Bernie and other progressives?
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted June 28 ATRL Moderator Posted June 28 51 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said: While obviously Biden did horrible, people online are overreacting insanely to a bad debate ๐ Like it's obviously bad and I'm not arguing it wasn't, but anyone who thinks this is going to be what changes the election is stuck in an emotional panic state still. The media for sure is eating up the grip they now have on people's fears, the ultimate engagement producer. They are going to promote that as much as possible now for views and money. ย Debates historically do almost nothing and this will be forgotten so fast. They have plenty of time to recover from this. People also think reactions = votes flipping or staying home when we have no measure of all this noise besides some quick snap polls. Biden supporters and Trump supporters will remain as such. Biden looked decrepit af but Trump also was Trump. He avoided many questions and said many unpopular things. Also we don't even have measure of those not paying attention. The online world can be so distorting of reality and what matters. I even expect some short term polls drops, but this is hardly the end ๐ most of the time people complaining were never going to vote for him anyway so their opinion means really nothing. Very few opinions actually matter right now This would make sense if Biden were a good candidate. But he's a historically bad candidate. He has a record low approval rating for an incumbent president with most voters being notably concerned about his age, competence, and general lucidity. This debate performance was remarkably bad because it shattered the lie that Biden is sharp as hell and the concerns about his fitness to serve are misplaced. ย This was not a normal bad debate performance. This is a uniquely bad showing for a candidate that barely engages with the public as is. He famously avoided the most softball interview available for an incumbent president, which is the Super Bowl interview. They're hiding him because of what we saw last night and now voters can very plainly see that. 1 2
shyboi Posted June 28 Posted June 28 what's posts keep getting duplicated? that reply above, 5 posts in a rowย
Gottasadae Posted June 28 Posted June 28 12 minutes ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: flop! ย ย This is kinda good for Biden and just showing how uninspired are both candidatesย
ZeroSuitBritney Posted June 28 Posted June 28 4 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: This is kinda good for Biden and just showing how uninspired are both candidatesย the memes and clips will circle the rounds until election though. 1
Thickorita Posted June 28 Posted June 28 The Medicare soundbite from the debate is worse than 'cause you'd be in jail'ย 1
Communion Posted June 28 Posted June 28 19 minutes ago, chessguy99 said: the Chinese research that created COVID :/ 1
Communion Posted June 28 Posted June 28 16 minutes ago, GoatGly said: Incredibly selfsish and the women and minorities that suffer because of it will be their fault Wait until you find out who doesn't vote as often in America.ย 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted June 28 ATRL Moderator Posted June 28 5 minutes ago, Communion said: Wait until you find out who doesn't vote as often in America.ย 2020: "You all have to vote Blue no matter who, otherwise we will lose abortion rights!" Voters in 2020:ย *elect Democrats to majorities in the House, Senate, and win the White House for Joe Biden* 2022: *Roe v. Wade gets overturned* 2024: "You all have to vote Blue no matterโ" ย Democrats have to do a bit more to convince people they'll do anything on these basic issues. The most compelling argument is preventing Trump from getting more SC picks. But, Democrats need to do more and actually lay out plans rather than just nonstop complaining about not having enough votes in the House and Senate. 4
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