GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 @frenchyisback seems to think it’s unfair for young people to expect anything from our politicians and should just be happy with platitudes and anti-Trumpism. Sorry, but if you want voters to be energized you have to provide them with policies that they are excited about. Tough ****.
Mike91 Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: @frenchyisback seems to think it’s unfair for young people to expect anything from our politicians and should just be happy with platitudes and anti-Trumpism. Sorry, but if you want voters to be energized you have to provide them with policies that they are excited about. Tough ****. Ironically, they're more responsible for the mess we are in, more than young voters who don't vote. Their constant excuse-making and having such a low bar for democratic politicians is exactly why the party has been unable to fight back and looks pathetic. They only care about "feeling good". Edited July 6, 2022 by Mike91
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: “Those greedy millennials wanted money to help them when they couldn’t work and we were in a once in a lifetime health crisis. They deserve to have rights taken away!!!” Vaccines have been out for over a year. Time to Move on already!
GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: Vaccines have been out for over a year. Time to Move on already! Why hasn’t Biden declared a public health emergency now that Roe has been overturned? Edited July 6, 2022 by GraceRandolph
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Mike91 said: Trump got the second most, what's your point? 2020 was about Trump, nothing more nothing less. Also, Biden got the "most votes ever" yet democrats still underperformed in congressional races. That Biden got THE MOST vote ever. if you don’t know what the difference between being #1 and being #2 in a 2 person race, I am sorry for you but I can’t help you. No wonder y’all couldn’t see the difference between Clinton & Trump either. The 6-3 Supreme Court will keep reminding u the difference tho… for decades to come Edited July 6, 2022 by frenchyisback
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Why hasn’t Biden declared a public health emergency now that Roe has been overturned? Cause it is not a public health emergency. Getting more babies to come to life is the opposite of a public health emergency I still believe in choice: condoms, female condoms, pills, morning after pill, pulling out…. Margaret Sanger’s Planned parenthood has been at the forefront of anti black eugenics. I am not sure why the organization has not been shut down yet for their disgusting past. Black people would be a bigger part of the US voting population if it was not her. Edited July 6, 2022 by frenchyisback
Mike91 Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: That Biden got THE MOST vote ever. if you don’t know what the difference between being #1 and being #2 in a 2 person race, I am sorry for you but I can’t help you. No wonder y’all couldn’t see the difference between Clinton & Trump either. The 6-3 Supreme Court will keep reminding u the difference tho… for decades to come You're not making the point you think you're making. Both candidates got the highest turnout in history because the election was a referendum on Trump. It had NOTHING to do with Biden. Polling showed that most voters only voted for Biden because they wanted Trump gone. Trying to equate him getting the most votes in history as some sort of approval of him and his politics is laughable, at best.
Mike91 Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 Centrists still worrying about 2016 sounds about right anyways because, as usual, they're always fighting yesterday's battles.
GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: Cause it is not a public health emergency. Getting more babies to come to life is the opposite of a public health emergency I still believe in choice: condoms, female condoms, pills, morning after pill, pulling out…. Margaret Sanger’s Planned parenthood has been at the forefront of anti black eugenics. I am not sure why the organization has not been **** down yet for their disgusting past. Black people would be a bigger part of the US voting population if it was not her. A 10-year old rape victim had to cross state lines to get an abortion and doctors are worrying about removing ectopic pregnancies from women because they could be jailed. This absolutely is a crisis.
GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: Cause it is not a public health emergency. Getting more babies to come to life is the opposite of a public health emergency I still believe in choice: condoms, female condoms, pills, morning after pill, pulling out…. Margaret Sanger’s Planned parenthood has been at the forefront of anti black eugenics. I am not sure why the organization has not been shut down yet for their disgusting past. Black people would be a bigger part of the US voting population if it was not her. Oh yeah just tell ten year old rape victims that their rapists need to pull out and the problem is solved.
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, GraceRandolph said: A 10-year old rape victim had to cross state lines to get an abortion and doctors are worrying about removing ectopic pregnancies from women because they could be jailed. This absolutely is a crisis. I personally believe In incest & rape exceptions…. But For it to reach national Emergency health crisis level, it would have to happen a lot more often. Not just anecdotal. post numbers about what amount of abortion is linked to similar situation.
GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, frenchyisback said: I personally believe In incest & rape exceptions…. But For it to reach national Emergency health crisis level, it would have to happen a lot more often. Not just anecdotal. post numbers about what amount of abortion is linked to similar situation. Do I need to post sexual assault statistics? And my state for instance only has exemptions for the life of the mother. My mom is telling my sister to go to college out of state because of this decision. This is a crisis!
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Do I need to post sexual assault statistics? And my state for instance only has exemptions for the life of the mother. My mom is telling my sister to go to college out of state because of this decision. This is a crisis! i feel for the weight this decision is gonna impact which college your sister will go to… but Many would also say that 1 million fetuses being aborted a year is a health crisis too. Edited July 6, 2022 by frenchyisback
GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, frenchyisback said: i feel for the eight this decision is gonna impact which college your sister will go to… but Many would also say that 1 million fetuses being aborted a year is a health crisis too. Oh so you are anti-choice. Got it. No wonder you are happy about this conservative SCOTUS.
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Oh so you are anti-choice. Got it. No wonder you are happy about this conservative SCOTUS. I’m pro choice but I believe abortions should be rare and legal. Key word RARE. I am not sure why you’re so zealous about wanting maximum abortions As a black man, I will NEVER trust planned parenthood and I will NEVER forget that abortion right started in the US as a way to “control” the black population. Margaret Sanger and her ilk are the ennemie of black people.
GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, frenchyisback said: I’m pro choice but I believe abortions should be rare and legal. Key word RARE. I am not sure why you’re so zealous about wanting maximum abortions As a black man, I will NEVER trust planned parenthood and I will NEVER forget that abortion right started in the US as a way to “control” the black population. Margaret Sanger and her ilk are the ennemie of black people. When did I say I want maximum abortions? You just have no principles, and if anything the overturn of Roe v Wade is about corporations needing a higher birth rate, and white people get more abortions, which is why white supremacists are celebrating the decision.
Thuggin Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: I personally believe In incest & rape exceptions…. But For it to reach national Emergency health crisis level, it would have to happen a lot more often. Not just anecdotal. post numbers about what amount of abortion is linked to similar situation. You realize these rape and incest exceptions are basically meaningless, right? The victim would have to prove those cases well within the window they can terminate the pregnancy. How many rapists end up convicted and how long does it take for that to happen? 9 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: I’m pro choice but I believe abortions should be rare and legal. Key word RARE. I am not sure why you’re so zealous about wanting maximum abortions As a black man, I will NEVER trust planned parenthood and I will NEVER forget that abortion right started in the US as a way to “control” the black population. Margaret Sanger and her ilk are the ennemie of black people. What a straw man. No one is pushing for as many abortions as possible. We just want the option always available to any woman who wants one. Also, what does any of this have to do with a woman’s bodily autonomy in 2022? Yes, racism existed in virtually every institution back then. That’s not justification to get rid of the institutions themselves. Suburbs came about because of white flight, but I’m positive you’re not going to be pushing to abolish suburbs anytime soon. As a “black man”, you are still not a black woman. Women of every race overwhelmingly would still like abortion rights intact.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 6, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 6, 2022 “I want abortion to be rare.” Great! Do you support free healthcare so poor women who might want to have a child don’t have financial pressure to choose an abortion because they literally can’t afford being pregnant, let alone a child. Do you support universal childcare? Do you support raising the minimum wage so single mothers working minimum wage jobs can support themselves and a child? Do you support free college so children from poor backgrounds have the option to a higher education? Do you support free contraceptions, sexual health, and expanded sex education so people can avoid getting pregnant in the first place? These are all things we can do to reduce the rate of abortion. Abolishing abortion has NEVER done anything to reduce abortion rates—it only reduces safe abortions. https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/wnwm8q/banning-abortion-doesnt-actually-reduce-abortion-rates-at-all
Kassi Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 3 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: The Democrats literally don’t even want to preserve the rights of their base, but somehow millennials are entitled when 18-34 year old women have less rights than their mothers did. Such a ridiculous fake. I see Biden’s lack of empathy for young people in endemic in his bootlicking sycophants. Do they not? Wasn’t Hillary sounding the alarm on this? While leftists were saying it’s not a good enough reason to back her?
Kassi Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 3 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Why hasn’t Biden declared a public health emergency now that Roe has been overturned? Oh ykw, never mind. No need to respond to my post/question. I didn’t know your thought patterns were like… this. I don’t think I have the energy to parse out logic that doesn’t logic.
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, Bloo said: “I want abortion to be rare.” Great! Do you support free healthcare so poor women who might want to have a child don’t have financial pressure to choose an abortion because they literally can’t afford being pregnant, let alone a child. Do you support universal childcare? Do you support raising the minimum wage so single mothers working minimum wage jobs can support themselves and a child? Do you support free college so children from poor backgrounds have the option to a higher education? Do you support free contraceptions, sexual health, and expanded sex education so people can avoid getting pregnant in the first place? These are all things we can do to reduce the rate of abortion. Abolishing abortion has NEVER done anything to reduce abortion rates—it only reduces safe abortions. https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/wnwm8q/banning-abortion-doesnt-actually-reduce-abortion-rates-at-all I will NEVER support raising the minimum wage EVER AGAIN in my life. I now understand it is basically a straw man for the left used to scream: "Not enough, still not enough, always not enough, you're a horrible person, still not enough..." I was told by many people on ATRL that I pay slave wages by paying $16 an hour our housekeeper as per DC law. And everybody on the left seemed to agree. $16 an hour is ABOVE the median salary in Europe This is how the left lose allies they will NEVER get back. Poverty is not the reason why people are having abortions. Not when poor women actually have more children than wealthier ones. I am for more: sex education free contraception (more for ease of access everywhere than because i think it's expensive) promoting marriage through marriage education as well. If people were going back to getting married like they used to before the disintegration of society, that would halves the poverty rates.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 6, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: Poverty is not the reason why people are having abortions. Not when poor women actually have more children than wealthier ones. This is not true. Quote In a 2005 study, 73% of women undergoing an abortion said not being able to afford a baby now was a reason for the abortion. That number rose to 81% for women below the federal poverty line. And while the abortion rate for American women declined by 8% between 2000 and 2008, among poor American women it increased by 18%. https://www.usccb.org/committees/pro-life-activities/poverty-and-abortion-vicious-cycle
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Bloo said: This is not true. https://www.usccb.org/committees/pro-life-activities/poverty-and-abortion-vicious-cycle It is 100% true: I don't wanna be crude but what do you expect people having an abortion to say? I did it cause I hate the idea of having a baby? I am sure some are affected by the cost. But I would not take any survey at face value when you know the stigma attached to the procedure. A lot of women chose not to have a children for career reason & free child care won't change a thing... see Europe & their dying demography. Edited July 6, 2022 by frenchyisback
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 6, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, frenchyisback said: It is 100% true: I don't wanna be crude but what do you expect people having an abortion to say? I did it cause I hate the idea of having a baby? You realize women with means have more access to contraceptions, IUDs, and other measures to avoid unplanned pregnancies, right? You chart proves nothing. There are countless studies confirming poverty and poverty are related. And yes, I know plenty of women who have had abortion simply because they didn’t want a child. It’s not an outrageous reason for an abortion.
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Bloo said: You realize women with means have more access to contraceptions, IUDs, and other measures to avoid unplanned pregnancies, right? You chart proves nothing. There are countless studies confirming poverty and poverty are related. And yes, I know plenty of women who have had abortion simply because they didn’t want a child. It’s not an outrageous reason for an abortion. Europe has all the policies you cited.... including free healthcare, free childcare, gvt guaranty parental leave (dad & mom).... They have the most friendly family policies in the world yet they have the worst & most terminal demography in the world... Fertility rate is still sinking despite already being to the floor. So I truly disagree with your premise that lack of government support is the reason why people can't keep their pregnancies in general (Off course, there's always individual cases) A lot of women chose not to have children because they don't want to be sidelined during the pregnancies and shortly there after. I can give you that but there is nothing the government can do about that unless the government decides that they will start raising children 24/7 too. Having a child WILL take time away from work. It WILL affect your performance. It WILL leave you looking like a Zombie at work from all the sleepless nights. The government can't make babies not wake up and scream at night, it can't make baby not get sick.... regardless of the amount of money they throw at the problem. Promoting families is the best options. 2 parents household still works. If we can do sex ed, I am not sure why we can't do Marriage ed. Edited July 6, 2022 by frenchyisback
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