Kassi Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 49 minutes ago, Bloo said: This coupled with the fact that she gave $4.6 billion to Trump for border security in 2019 (House passes border funding bill after Pelosi reversal outrages progressives) out of the blue which had no provisions to guarantee how Trump would use the money and just assumed he'd use it to take care of children (he didn't), actively campaigned for an anti-abortion Democrat with an A+ rating from the NRA following the leaked draft of the Roe v. Wade ruling and the Uvalde shooting, etc. are reason enough for me to call out Pelosi. She's a horrible legislator that could barely manage to pass a Republican healthcare bill when she had a supermajority in the House and Senate. She needs to retire. Yes, calling Republicans a cult, denying Trump his border wall for 4 years, and supporting her entire caucus are *bad* leadership qualities. I mean, you’re just wrong across the board. But that’s honestly okay, cause you’re a locked in Green Party voter. I don’t expect much else after seeing the short-sighted rhetoric espoused by Jill Stein and Briahna Joy Gray, other Green Party voters.
Kassi Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 And will y’all stop calling the ACA a Republican healthcare plan? It’s not cute or savvy and honestly just makes anyone making that claim look politically uninformed. Even holding the fact that the bill was sourced from a blue state’s Democratic supermajority (Romney couldn’t stop it even if he tried… and try he did), imagine thinking Republicans would ever even suggest a bill like the one that passed Pelosi’s House, which included a public option. I’m sorry but… some of y’all betray your ignorance a little too easily these days.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kassi said: Yes, calling Republicans a cult, denying Trump his border wall for 4 years, and supporting her entire caucus are *bad* leadership qualities. I mean, you’re just wrong across the board. But that’s honestly okay, cause you’re a locked in Green Party voter. I don’t expect much else after seeing the short-sighted rhetoric espoused by Jill Stein and Briahna Joy Gray, other Green Party voters. Calm down. Your Queen is getting long the strong GOP she asked for this November and in the next presidential when Biden inevitably flops. She’s literally getting what she wants! The GOP has never been in a better position to seize the government and wreck everything than they are right now. Heck, even Biden said something about wanting a strong Republican Party, so in a way he’s getting what he wants too. Can’t wait till the “Strong GOP” uses their filibuster-proof majority to force blue states into having to shoulder a federal abortion ban in 2025
ClashAndBurn Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, Kassi said: And will y’all stop calling the ACA a Republican healthcare plan? It’s not cute or savvy and honestly just makes anyone making that claim look politically uninformed. Even holding the fact that the bill was sourced from a blue state’s Democratic supermajority (Romney couldn’t stop it even if he tired… and try he did), imagine thinking Republicans would ever even suggest a bill like the one that passed Pelosi’s House, which included a public option. I’m sorry but… some of y’all betray your ignorance a little too easily these days. ACA is literally Romneycare. Stahp
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: What happens when you prioritize checking diversity checkboxes over competence. Cringefest press sec. And she followed Circle Back Psaki too. Sounds familiar! 4 hours ago, Thuggin said: I don't really buy that considering polls still show Bernie with much higher favorability than Biden. And that's with both Democrats and Republicans having done everything they can to smear him over two consecutive election cycles. Seriously, what could they have said about him in the general that hadn't already been said? "He's a socialist who's gonna destroy America!" Never heard that one before. Republicans already call Nancy Pelosi a communist. Bernie is probably the most vetted candidate for office in America at this point. I dare Democrats to start pushing billionaires like Bloomberg, Rick Caruso, Mark Cuban, and JB Pritzker. Yes, making the Democratic choice even farther right than Biden must be the answer! Let's make the choice a Republican wearing a blue jersey, that'll win over the swing voters who were planning on voting Republican! Why vote for Trump or DeSantis when you can have a soulless man in a suit devoid of all personality and charisma? Moderate voters loved Romney, right? Pearl-clutching libs would vote to nominate a slice of moldy white bread if it were the alternative to a candidate fired up about people dying from lack of healthcare. Exactly. Polls (which I often post ) show that Bernie is the most favorably-viewed active politician (especially that's a non-Republican). The LANDSLIDE we could have had in 2016 if Hillary wasn't the nom And tbh, I find it interesting that American Healthcare is so dreadful/corrupt that Mark Cuban's prescription drugstore website ( costplusdrugs.com ) actually isn't that bad? Feel free to correct me tho. I don't trust billionaires, but theoretically there could be good ones (Steyer really tried to play the role of "good billionaire" against Bloomberg in the primary NNN. Good stance on climate, but his healthcare stance was disappointing) 17 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Calm down. Your Queen is getting long the strong GOP she asked for this November and in the next presidential when Biden inevitably flops. She’s literally getting what she wants! The GOP has never been in a better position to seize the government and wreck everything than they are right now. Heck, even Biden said something about wanting a strong Republican Party, so in a way he’s getting what he wants too. Can’t wait till the “Strong GOP” uses their filibuster-proof majority to force blue states into having to shoulder a federal abortion ban in 2025 Sounds like something Biden would say, considering he also said this! ^(We love New Hampshire tho: after 3 attempts, Biden has failed to get double-digits in a presidential primary there )
Kassi Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 34 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: ACA is literally Romneycare. Stahp Whatever you want to call it, “Romneycare” was a Democratic bill that passed through two veto-proof Democratic supermajorities in both chambers of Massachusetts's state legislature, which Romney begrudgingly signed after his attempted vetos flopped. It got no Republican votes. The health-care legislation was developed in close collaboration with the Ted Kennedy, who you can see pictured behind Romney at the signing Romney had no choice in. You may recall Ted Kennedy as the first major advocate for single payer, who ran on it in the 70s and forced Nixon to adopt an adjacent position on healthcare as a counter to his position.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 6, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Kassi said: Whatever you want to call it, “Romneycare”was a Democratic bill that passed through two veto-proof Democratic supermajorities in both chambers of Massachusetts's state legislature, which Romney begrudgingly signed after his attempted vetos flopped. It got no Republican votes. The health-care legislation was developed in close collaboration with the Ted Kennedy, who you can see pictured behind Romney at the signing Romney had no choice in. You may recall Ted Kennedy as the first major advocate for single payer, who ran on it in the 70s and forced Nixon to adopt an adjacent position on healthcare as a counter to his position. Obama in 2010 talking about the inspiration for the ACA: Quote A lot of the ideas in terms of the (health insurance) exchange, just being able to pool and improve the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market, that originated from the Heritage Foundation. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/ The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank that was responsible for... you guessed it... Mitt Romney's earlier health care plan.
Kassi Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bloo said: Obama in 2010 talking about the inspiration for the ACA: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/ The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank that was responsible for... you guessed it... Mitt Romney's earlier health care plan. Did you… read the article? It literally says the opposite of what you’re trying to claim. Quote We agree with Heritage that the differences between its original vision and the version enacted into law are not trivial, and are enough to undercut the president's effort to secure a Heritage Foundation seal of approval for his bill. But the president helped his case by wording his statement with extreme care. Intentionally or not, he gave himself subtle linguistic running room by saying that "a lot of the ideas" for the exchange came from Heritage, including the concept of "just being able to pool and improve the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market." This was definitely Obama at his rhetorical best. Taking two broad components of the bill, market exchanges and the individual mandate, then toeing the line between lying and the truth to soften the largest expansion of government healthcare in 50 years. The actual Heritage plan was the exact opposite of the ACA in all other respects. Namely, in that it entirely eliminated Medicare and Medicaid. In fact, it was so extreme that no Republican ever actually ran on it. Idk what else to say. If you think the Heritage Foundation, America's most right-wing major think tank, wanted to raise taxes on rich people to help everyone at 140% of the poverty line get taxpayer-funded government healthcare, while simultaneously ending lifetime caps on coverage, imparting regulation on private businesses, and limiting how much profit a corporation could make… then… Obama was a much better speaker than I thought. Cause he sure as hell fooled a whole lot of people with that lie. IF anyone cares, the actual Heritage Plan was a two-page paper that basically said destroy all public healthcare and replace it with unregulated insurance plans (market exchanges) with no subsidies that everyone had to buy into (individual mandate).
Communion Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Living To Tell said: WHY is she like this/?
Thuggin Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 30 minutes ago, Communion said: WHY is she like this/?
GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thuggin said: This administration is so hated. Imagine being a neolib right now and attacking progressives, or Bernie, or the Sunrise Movement when your own leaders cannot even communicate, let alone legislate.
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Kassi said: Yes, calling Republicans a cult, denying Trump his border wall for 4 years, and supporting her entire caucus are *bad* leadership qualities. I mean, you’re just wrong across the board. But that’s honestly okay, cause you’re a locked in Green Party voter. I don’t expect much else after seeing the short-sighted rhetoric espoused by Jill Stein and Briahna Joy Gray, other Green Party voters. Well, this 6-3 Supreme Court will be the biggest impact the Green Party has had on our lives.
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said: This administration is so hated. Imagine being a neolib right now and attacking progressives, or Bernie, or the Sunrise Movement when your own leaders cannot even communicate, let alone legislate. Imagine attacking the dems leaders when your leftist politicians can’t even win primaries in leftist San Francisco and even the primary voters (left to the GP) rejected your attacks on the police all over the country. Proud of my black people for pushing back on the left in primaries after primaries: #BernieFlopTea Edited July 6, 2022 by frenchyisback
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Kassi said: Did you… read the article? It literally says the opposite of what you’re trying to claim. This was definitely Obama at his rhetorical best. Taking two broad components of the bill, market exchanges and the individual mandate, then toeing the line between lying and the truth to soften the largest expansion of government healthcare in 50 years. The actual Heritage plan was the exact opposite of the ACA in all other respects. Namely, in that it entirely eliminated Medicare and Medicaid. In fact, it was so extreme that no Republican ever actually ran on it. Idk what else to say. If you think the Heritage Foundation, America's most right-wing major think tank, wanted to raise taxes on rich people to help everyone at 140% of the poverty line get taxpayer-funded government healthcare, while simultaneously ending lifetime caps on coverage, imparting regulation on private businesses, and limiting how much profit a corporation could make… then… Obama was a much better speaker than I thought. Cause he sure as hell fooled a whole lot of people with that lie. IF anyone cares, the actual Heritage Plan was a two-page paper that basically said destroy all public healthcare and replace it with unregulated insurance plans (market exchanges) with no subsidies that everyone had to buy into (individual mandate). Why are you personally attacking people by bringing up things like facts & policy items?
Thuggin Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: Imagine attacking the dems leaders when your leftist politicians can’t even win primaries in leftist San Francisco and even the primary voters (left to the GP) rejected your attacks on the police all over the country. Proud of my black people for pushing back on the left in primaries after primaries: #BernieFlopTea Thoughts on Biden being REJECTED at an unprecedented rate? Record low approval ratings for a sitting President at this point in his Presidency? 71 percent of voters not even wanting him to run for a second term? Only 28 percent of voters aged 18-34 now approving of his performance when that demographic was key to his victory in 2020? Biden's whole schtick was electability, right? The way all of that is completely down the toilet with 2022 polls being abysmal for Dems and 2024 polls showing him losing to Trump and DeSantis. 28 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: Well, this 6-3 Supreme Court will be the biggest impact the Green Party has had on our lives. And keep pushing Democrats like Biden and ignoring our demands and we'll give you another four years of Trump and the threat of even more Trump-picked Supreme Court justices
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) Not this senile pig getting brave . "That makes me the best messenger" uh, not with the mental acuity (or lack thereof) that you have, ma'am Instead of serving sass, he should try to actually serve some substance and accountability and get things done. And at this point, it's not only progressives that are skulldragging him for being an awful president: even members of the neolib establishment like Debra Messing are saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH to his ass The fact that Biden is more sassy/hostile to progressives than to McConnell/MAGA is further evidence that he is to the right of center (i.e., right-wing) (And notice how disingenuous it is that neolibs always obsess over the Green Party yet conveniently ignore the Libertarian party ) Edited July 6, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
Mike91 Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) Most president's first two years are typically their roughest, but normally rebound in time for re-election. Problem is, Biden has shown an unwillingness to do anything to fix the problems that are plaguing his presidency. Complacency has become the de-facto, go to role for the Democratic Party and it's a big part of the reason why more and more voters find them unappealing. They sit there and take it from the GOP, because they're afraid of rocking the boat, and it makes them look pathetic. Of course the GOP will do what they want when that's your opposition. Edited July 6, 2022 by Mike91
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Thuggin said: Thoughts on Biden being REJECTED at an unprecedented rate? Record low approval ratings for a sitting President at this point in his Presidency? 71 percent of voters not even wanting him to run for a second term? Only 28 percent of voters aged 18-34 now approving of his performance when that demographic was key to his victory in 2020? Biden's whole schtick was electability, right? The way all of that is completely down the toilet with 2022 polls being abysmal for Dems and 2024 polls showing him losing to Trump and DeSantis. And keep pushing Democrats like Biden and ignoring our demands and we'll give you another four years of Trump and the threat of even more Trump-picked Supreme Court justices Biden got rejected all the way into the presidency and got the most vote EVER. Are those the same polls that had Bernie winning the black vote? ? Keep caring about polls and we’ll keep caring about actual results. ? Honey, your demands got rejected by lefty primary voters in San Francisco. Nobody wants your extreme views to come to life…. not even the San Fran yuppies. Edited July 6, 2022 by frenchyisback
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Thuggin said: The COPE from neolibs in the replies and quote tweets. "Well young people are just dumb." "Who cares, young people don't vote anyway." "Young people have unrealistic expectations." Also, them doing the math "WELL AKSHALLY, 59 percent still wouldn't be enough to meet the 60 vote threshold in the Senate anyway!", completely ignoring the fact that you have to take out the 7 percent who didn't pick either Republicans or Democrats (assuming those people just don't vote at all or end up splitting evenly between Republicans and Democrats) and then you go over the 60 vote threshold. It cannot be denied anymore. Young people overwhelmingly see Biden as an utter failure because he hasn't done anything for us. We don't even get lip service. And Dems can patronize us all they want, but progressive young people will make up an increasingly larger share of the electorate while older Democratic voters die off. The Democratic Party can choose to continue ignoring us, allowing this generation to either be shepherded into the Republican Party or demoralized from participating in electoral politics period, but they'll be digging their own grave. 2016 tea. DeSantis 2024 Like I said the 18-34 crowd truly deserves this 6-3 Supreme Court. We are the most spoiled and bratty generation ever. The more you give us the more we feel entitled and get upset about what we did not get. The fact that Biden spent more free money on them than any President in history and they are mad about it cause they think they should get free money to stay home for life. I respect republicans for keeping the eye on the ball even if it means for them to accept Trump. The GOP deserves to run this country because they are organized and disciplined. The left is an unorganized mess… worst than herding cats. Congrats to Obama for managing them during his presidency. Edited July 6, 2022 by frenchyisback
GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: 2016 tea. DeSantis 2024 Like I said the 18-34 crowd truly deserves this 6-3 Supreme Court. We are the most spoiled and bratty generation ever. The more you give us the more we feel entitled and get upset about what we did not get. The fact that Biden spent more free money on them than any President in history and they are mad about it cause they think they should get free money to stay home for life. I respect republicans for keeping the eye on the ball even if it means for them to accept Trump. The GOP deserves to run this country because they are organized and disciplined. The left is an unorganized mess… worst than herding cats. Congrats to Obama for managing them during his presidency. “Those greedy millennials wanted money to help them when they couldn’t work and we were in a once in a lifetime health crisis. They deserve to have rights taken away!!!” Edited July 6, 2022 by GraceRandolph
GraceRandolph Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 The Democrats literally don’t even want to preserve the rights of their base, but somehow millennials are entitled when 18-34 year old women have less rights than their mothers did. Such a ridiculous fake. I see Biden’s lack of empathy for young people in endemic in his bootlicking sycophants.
Communion Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 27 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: Biden got rejected all the way into the presidency and got the most vote EVER. Populations usually increase over time.
Mike91 Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: Biden got rejected all the way into the presidency and got the most vote EVER. Are those the same polls that had Bernie winning the black vote? ? Keep caring about polls and we’ll keep caring about actual results. ? Honey, your demands got rejected by lefty primary voters in San Francisco. Nobody wants your extreme views to come to life…. not even the San Fran yuppies. Trump got the second most, what's your point? 2020 was about Trump, nothing more nothing less. Also, Biden got the "most votes ever" yet democrats still underperformed in congressional races. Edited July 6, 2022 by Mike91
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