news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, Armani? said:

He ran to try to tell Mitch McConnell he wasnt calling him racist after his speech in Atlanta where he called anyone who votes against the Voting Rights bill racist 

I mean, yes. From a strategic standpoint, he’s still trying to move legislation along. For example, the bipartisan chip manufacturing bill that would consequently drive down the price of new and used cars (one major driver of US inflation).

 

I guess my question to you would be, should Biden prioritize rhetorical battles with the opposition or attempting to put points on the legislative scoreboard?
 

And this isn’t a gotcha. I genuinely wonder what your perspective is. We’ve seen for instance, how Bernie’s scorched earth approach has endeared him to the youth. However, it’s also driven a major wedge between him and his peers, rendering him legislatively ineffective. Similar battle to what AOC is fighting in the House.

[Kassi]

3 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

I think you’re conflating Bernie’s movement with Biden’s approval rating and 2024 prospects. 

Ok.

 

 

[rihannabiggestfan]

88% saying the country is on the wrong track in the latest Monmouth poll

 

"Currently, 54% of Americans say the middle class has not benefited at all from Biden’s policies. This is up from 36% one year ago and it is also higher than 36% who said the same about former President Donald Trump at about the same point in his term (April 2018). It is even higher than 46% who said the same about former President Barack Obama in 2013, when Monmouth first posed this question.  Just 7% say the middle class has been helped a lot by Biden’s policies and 34% say they have been helped a little. A majority (52%) also say that poor families have not benefited from Biden’s presidency"

 

TIPP: "The poll shows that if the Republican primary were held today, Trump would win 55% of the votes. When asked, “If the Democratic Presidential primary were held today, who would you vote for?” Just under a quarter (24%) picked President Biden as their top choice in the Democratic primary. 

 

ABYSMAL numbers for a sitting president.

Edited July 5, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan

[RunUpDoneUp]

11 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

Let’s not get too pessimistic. Things look bleak right now, and they will be for a few years, if not more, but the American people turn to the Democratic Party when things go south, and I think a real progressive moment is upon us, the Bernie movement isn’t just going to die. The Bernie movement will be reborn in another progressive candidate, and gun reform and abortion rights, causes that were usually controversial for Democrats, are now huge weak spots for the GOP. 

I don't see anyone with the capability of capturing a bernie kind of base. Not one in time for 2024. The progressive movement is more fractured now than it was when he lost against hilary and it is by design.

[Thuggin]

 

 

The COPE from neolibs in the replies and quote tweets.  "Well young people are just dumb." "Who cares, young people don't vote anyway." "Young people have unrealistic expectations."

 

Also, them doing the math "WELL AKSHALLY, 59 percent still wouldn't be enough to meet the 60 vote threshold in the Senate anyway!", completely ignoring the fact that you have to take out the 7 percent who didn't pick either Republicans or Democrats (assuming those people just don't vote at all or end up splitting evenly between Republicans and Democrats) and then you go over the 60 vote threshold. It cannot be denied anymore. Young people overwhelmingly see Biden as an utter failure because he hasn't done anything for us. We don't even get lip service.

 

And Dems can patronize us all they want, but progressive young people will make up an increasingly larger share of the electorate while older Democratic voters die off. The Democratic Party can choose to continue ignoring us, allowing this generation to either be shepherded into the Republican Party or demoralized from participating in electoral politics period, but they'll be digging their own grave.

[ClashAndBurn]

13 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

 

 

The COPE from neolibs in the replies and quote tweets.  "Well young people are just dumb." "Who cares, young people don't vote anyway." "Young people have unrealistic expectations."

 

Also, them doing the math "WELL AKSHALLY, 59 percent still wouldn't be enough to meet the 60 vote threshold in the Senate anyway!", completely ignoring the fact that you have to take out the 7 percent who didn't pick either Republicans or Democrats (assuming those people just don't vote at all or end up splitting evenly between Republicans and Democrats) and then you go over the 60 vote threshold. It cannot be denied anymore. Young people overwhelmingly see Biden as an utter failure because he hasn't done anything for us. We don't even get lip service.

 

And Dems can patronize us all they want, but progressive young people will make up an increasingly larger share of the electorate while older Democratic voters die off. The Democratic Party can choose to continue ignoring us, allowing this generation to either be shepherded into the Republican Party or demoralized from participating in electoral politics period, but they'll be digging their own grave.

They don’t want win. They want to blame young people for not being enthused to have to vote for them unconditionally. Even when we come out in record numbers, it’s never enough and we get shamed because our age cohort doesn’t turn out the exact same way that boomers do. It’s always “HOW DARE YOU COMPLAIN? JUST SHUT UP AND VOTE, IDIOT!”

[Bloo]

3 hours ago, Kassi said:

“Nothing will change in America” is such an anti-black, anti-LGBT, anti-women, anti-labor, anti-health, and anti-environment sentiment.

I agree.

 

 

 

[Bloo]

22 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

 

 

The COPE from neolibs in the replies and quote tweets.  "Well young people are just dumb." "Who cares, young people don't vote anyway." "Young people have unrealistic expectations."

 

Also, them doing the math "WELL AKSHALLY, 59 percent still wouldn't be enough to meet the 60 vote threshold in the Senate anyway!", completely ignoring the fact that you have to take out the 7 percent who didn't pick either Republicans or Democrats (assuming those people just don't vote at all or end up splitting evenly between Republicans and Democrats) and then you go over the 60 vote threshold. It cannot be denied anymore. Young people overwhelmingly see Biden as an utter failure because he hasn't done anything for us. We don't even get lip service.

 

And Dems can patronize us all they want, but progressive young people will make up an increasingly larger share of the electorate while older Democratic voters die off. The Democratic Party can choose to continue ignoring us, allowing this generation to either be shepherded into the Republican Party or demoralized from participating in electoral politics period, but they'll be digging their own grave.

Biden won because young, diverse voters came out in record numbers and gave him the win in a race that was won by 45,000 votes across 3 states. The neolibs really need to snap out of it and realize we make up a larger portion of the voting population than we did in 2020 where Biden would have lost without us.

[Kassi]

12 minutes ago, Bloo said:

I agree.

 

 

 

Girl. This is a political thread, I know you don’t think we’re that dumb to be getting riled up over this willful misquote. Leftist memes stay wack. 
 

Anyway, it’s just so sad to me the way the far-left discounts voting. Not only is it to the detriment of their lofty progressive goals, more acutely, it ensure their candidates don’t win primaries — and all but evaporates the possibility of winning generals against Republicans (where the effort is needed the most). I’d imagine the outlook might be different if leftists were enthusiastic about the franchise and of making sure the voice of the people was heard through tangible levers of power. 

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Girl. This is a political thread, I know you don’t think we’re that dumb to be getting riled up over this willful misquote. Leftist memes stay wack. 
 

Anyway, it’s just so sad to me the way the far-left discounts voting. Not only is it to the detriment of their lofty progressive goals, more acutely, it ensure their candidates don’t win primaries — and all but evaporates the possibility of winning generals against Republicans (where the effort is needed the most). I’d imagine the outlook might be different if leftists were enthusiastic about the franchise and of making sure the voice of the people was heard through tangible levers of power. 

Doesn’t really matter when the DNC can just cheat, as they do, and get their preferred candidate anyway.  

Take your illegitimate “democracy.” At this point you’re losing without us anyway. And your crowd has said we aren’t needed and our votes aren’t wanted anyway.  

[Kassi]

If you asked me to guess how often the US had elections based on how leftist complain about voting, I'd guess 3 or 4 a week. You could not convince me this much griping goes into pressing a button (or filling in circles on your own couch) once every two years.

 

Imagine complaining about having to do any other free activity because you did it in 2020. 

[khalyan]

1 hour ago, RunUpDoneUp said:

I don't see anyone with the capability of capturing a bernie kind of base. Not one in time for 2024. The progressive movement is more fractured now than it was when he lost against hilary and it is by design.

I agree with you that I don't think it'll be here for 2024, but 2026-2028 could be an option.

[khalyan]

3 minutes ago, Kassi said:

If you asked me to guess how often the US had elections based on how leftist complain about voting, I'd guess 3 or 4 a week. You could not convince me this much griping goes into pressing a button (or filling in circles on your own couch) once every two years.

 

Imagine complaining about having to do any other free activity because you did it in 2020. 

It's not that easy for everyone to vote  

[Thuggin]

20 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

They don’t want win. They want to blame young people for not being enthused to have to vote for them unconditionally. Even when we come out in record numbers, it’s never enough and we get shamed because our age cohort doesn’t turn out the exact same way that boomers do. It’s always “HOW DARE YOU COMPLAIN? JUST SHUT UP AND VOTE, IDIOT!”

13 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Biden won because young, diverse voters came out in record numbers and gave him the win in a race that was won by 45,000 votes across 3 states. The neolibs really need to snap out of it and realize we make up a larger portion of the voting population than we did in 2020 where Biden would have lost without us.

It's just insane to me that Republicans unapologetically cater to the most fringe, insane part of the far right (and never suffer consequences for it) but Democrats refuse to fight too hard for things that poll at like 70+% support?  Kamala and Biden can't even say the WORD "abortion". Because why? They're afraid it'll turn off voters? Despite the fact that 70 percent of voters think overturning Roe was bad and only a tiny percentage of voters believe abortion should be illegal in all cases. WHO IS THIS IMAGINARY PART OF THE ELECTORATE THAT VOTED FOR DEMOCRATS BUT WILL SUDDENLY START VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS IF DEMOCRATS FIGHT TOO HARD FOR ABORTION RIGHTS AMONG OTHER THINGS? AND ALSO WHY ARE THEY WORTH SPITTING ON THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS WHO BELIEVE DEMOCRATS AREN'T DOING ENOUGH? I'm so sick of it.  Everyone already knows Democrats support abortion rights while Republicans don't! The ones who see abortion as a dirty word were never voting Democrat anyway! Regardless of political affiliation, people want strong leaders who are forthright in their convictions. Biden and the vast majority of Democrats are not that, and the more they try to play both sides or refuse to firmly pick a side altogether, the more they're going to allow voters to be funneled into the Republican Party which will ABSOLUTELY tell them what side they need to pick!

 

Republicans: "Things are bad because Biden has gone too far left! Democrats are evil! They're corrupting your children! They want to destroy our country! They want  a Sharia communist Nazi Stalinist regime where you have no freedoms!"

Biden: "Republicans are my friend. We need a strong Republican Party. We need to work together."

[Thuggin]

Btw the average swing voter is an absolute idiot. Neolibs give them way too much credit, thinking they're voting based on policy like, "Well I would have supported the Democrat, but they're pushing too hard for universal healthcare and now I think I'm gonna go with the Republican!" The percentage of voters who actually decide their votes that way is so so insignificant.  Polls showed that where Hillary lost to Trump in 2016, Bernie would have won by a substantial margin. Many polls from both 2016 and 2020 showed Bernie doing well among likely Democratic voters who didn't even consider themselves very liberal. The problem is liberals are too media-brained, where they see these Never Trump Republicans and Blue Dog Dems and think they represent average voters. There are SO many people I know who consider themselves "independent thinking" who voted Trump last election, hate mainstream media, think Biden is senile, but would have voted Bernie.

 

Terminally online libs got Biden just like they wanted. He's barely done a thing, yet the opposition is still accusing him of going too far left and convincing swing voters that they have to vote Republican if they want their lives to improve, just as leftists told libs would happen.

[rihannabiggestfan]

54 minutes ago, Bloo said:

I agree.

 

 

 

LMAO

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

Btw the average swing voter is an absolute idiot. Neolibs give them way too much credit, thinking they're voting based on policy like, "Well I would have supported the Democrat, but they're pushing too hard for universal healthcare and now I think I'm gonna go with the Republican!" The percentage of voters who actually decide their votes that way is so so insignificant.  Polls showed that where Hillary lost to Trump in 2016, Bernie would have won by a substantial margin. Many polls from both 2016 and 2020 showed Bernie doing well among likely Democratic voters who didn't even consider themselves very liberal. The problem is liberals are too media-brained, where they see these Never Trump Republicans and Blue Dog Dems and think they represent average voters. There are SO many people I know who consider themselves "independent thinking" who voted Trump last election, hate mainstream media, think Biden is senile, but would have voted Bernie.

 

Terminally online libs got Biden just like they wanted. He's barely done a thing, yet the opposition is still accusing him of going too far left and convincing swing voters that they have to vote Republican if they want their lives to improve, just as leftists told libs would happen.

I do think that while Bernie had a great chance of winning in 2016, the propaganda that’s built up against him in both sides (cause Libs would absolutely be working super hard to keep Trump in office if it kept Bernie from winning too) means he loses 2020.

 

Biden being useless is absolutely the desired outcome. But the neolibs hate that he’s even paying lip-service to progressive rhetoric, even though he doesn’t believe or support what he’s even advanced as an “agenda.” And so, they want to eject him in favor of billionaire governor JB Pritzker.  

[Bloo]

31 minutes ago, khalyan said:

It's not that easy for everyone to vote  

No thanks to the Democrats who caved on passing voting rights to help people "go vote!" It's beyond parody at this point. It amazes me some still choose to defend them when even Debra Messing has turned on Biden and apparently yelled at his administration on a phone call asking what the point of voting for him was. [x]

30 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

It's just insane to me that Republicans unapologetically cater to the most fringe, insane part of the far right (and never suffer consequences for it) but Democrats refuse to fight too hard for things that poll at like 70+% support?  Kamala and Biden can't even say the WORD "abortion". Because why? They're afraid it'll turn off voters? Despite the fact that 70 percent of voters think overturning Roe was bad and only a tiny percentage of voters believe abortion should be illegal in all cases. WHO IS THIS IMAGINARY PART OF THE ELECTORATE THAT VOTED FOR DEMOCRATS BUT WILL SUDDENLY START VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS IF DEMOCRATS FIGHT TOO HARD FOR ABORTION RIGHTS AMONG OTHER THINGS? AND ALSO WHY ARE THEY WORTH SPITTING ON THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS WHO BELIEVE DEMOCRATS AREN'T DOING ENOUGH? I'm so sick of it.  Everyone already knows Democrats support abortion rights while Republicans don't! The ones who see abortion as a dirty word were never voting Democrat anyway! Regardless of political affiliation, people want strong leaders who are forthright in their convictions. Biden and the vast majority of Democrats are not that, and the more they try to play both sides or refuse to firmly pick a side altogether, the more they're going to allow voters to be funneled into the Republican Party which will ABSOLUTELY tell them what side they need to pick!

 

Republicans: "Things are bad because Biden has gone too far left! Democrats are evil! They're corrupting your children! They want to destroy our country! They want  a Sharia communist Nazi Stalinist regime where you have no freedoms!"

Biden: "Republicans are my friend. We need a strong Republican Party. We need to work together."

You're 100% right. It's so mind-boggling to me just how toothless the Democrats are when it comes to Republicans. They can't even act like Republicans are bad guys. Biden has bent over backwards so much that MAGA isn't even bad anymore, only the "Ultra-MAGA" crowd is a threat to Democracy. Not MAGA, Ultra-MAGA. Not to sing her praises, but Hillary was at least able to call the Republicans "the enemy [she's] most proud of" on live TV. I couldn't imagine Biden or Pelosi having the gall to do something as basic as that. They're more concerned with lifting up the GOP and talking about how we need a strong Republican Party. Biden giving McConnell a lifetime conservative federal judge in my home state of Kentucky after Roe's overturning was the point of no return for me. He will not be getting my vote and I'm excited to vote Green if he's the candidate.

[Thuggin]

18 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I do think that while Bernie had a great chance of winning in 2016, the propaganda that’s built up against him in both sides (cause Libs would absolutely be working super hard to keep Trump in office if it kept Bernie from winning too) means he loses 2020.

 

Biden being useless is absolutely the desired outcome. But the neolibs hate that he’s even paying lip-service to progressive rhetoric, even though he doesn’t believe or support what he’s even advanced as an “agenda.” And so, they want to eject him in favor of billionaire governor JB Pritzker.  

I don't really buy that considering polls still show Bernie with much higher favorability than Biden. And that's with both Democrats and Republicans having done everything they can to smear him over two consecutive election cycles. Seriously, what could they have said about him in the general that hadn't already been said? "He's a socialist who's gonna destroy America!" Never heard that one before. Republicans already call Nancy Pelosi a communist. Bernie is probably the most vetted candidate for office in America at this point.

 

I dare Democrats to start pushing billionaires like Bloomberg, Rick Caruso, Mark Cuban, and JB Pritzker. Yes, making the Democratic choice even farther right than Biden must be the answer! Let's make the choice a Republican wearing a blue jersey, that'll win over the swing voters who were planning on voting Republican! Why vote for Trump or DeSantis when you can have a soulless man in a suit devoid of all personality and charisma? Moderate voters loved Romney, right? Pearl-clutching libs would vote to nominate a slice of moldy white bread if it were the alternative to a candidate fired up about people dying from lack of healthcare.

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

I couldn't imagine Biden or Pelosi having the gall to do something as basic as that. They're more concerned with lifting up the GOP and talking about how we need a strong Republican Party.

I get the frustration over Biden being a *****. But why lie about Pelosi?
 

This fixation on undermining the most effective progressive legislator in Congress is SO weird to me. Not only was she the one who completely broke bipartisanship in the House starting with her initial tenure as House Speaker, she’s also called the GOP pretty much everything in the book: “cowards”, “legislative arsonists”, straight up called McCarthy a “moron”, and all the countless insults directed at Trump including calling him “morbidly obese” or ripping up his SOTU speech.

 

She even dropped this banger:

 

“The Republicans seem to be having a limbo contest with themselves to see how low they can go”

 

Or who could forget this one that had everyone in a tizzy:

 

 

 

Outright calling them enemies of the state.

 

Even that “strong Republican Party” line was a backhanded pretext to stating that they’ve been ”hijacked by a cult”. 
 

She’s literally who you guys think Bernie is. 

 

 

[Kassi]

 

 

Hmm. Not a bad proposal. Like I said, Biden has an image problem.

 

Only thing is, unlike Obama who was YOUNG, HOT, FUNNY, and ARTICULATE, Biden is nothing of the sort. So not exactly sure what his media persona would be. 

[ClashAndBurn]

 

What happens when you prioritize checking diversity checkboxes over competence. Cringefest press sec. And she followed Circle Back Psaki too.  

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, Kassi said:

I get the frustration over Biden being a *****. But why lie about Pelosi?

 

This coupled with the fact that she gave $4.6 billion to Trump for border security in 2019 (House passes border funding bill after Pelosi reversal outrages progressives) out of the blue which had no provisions to guarantee how Trump would use the money and just assumed he'd use it to take care of children (he didn't), actively campaigned for an anti-abortion Democrat with an A+ rating from the NRA following the leaked draft of the Roe v. Wade ruling and the Uvalde shooting, etc. are reason enough for me to call out Pelosi. She's a horrible legislator that could barely manage to pass a Republican healthcare bill when she had a supermajority in the House and Senate.

 

She needs to retire.

[Beyonnaise]

If we’re not gonna get another viable progressive in 2024 (though I hope we do), I think the Dems should run Joe Cunningham who could have an outsider cross-party appeal. Literally anyone slightly better than the nursing home patient or Kamala.

[ClashAndBurn]

Well, the GOP is about to be in the best position they could have asked for in 2024 so Pelosi is getting her wish for a "strong GOP"