Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 I guess we’re all just trying to make sense of these wild times
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Kassi said: The fact that he grew up poor I think limits his imagination as to what his options for wielding power are. And you come to this conclusion by looking at someone affluent like Buttigieg and his... complete abandonment of policy platform after failing to attract voters, remarketing himself as a centrist and still failing to attract any youth support or support from POC aka the base of the party he has decided to be apart of? Buttigieg is evidence of how the base of the Democratic Party wants less rich weirdos, not more.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Harrier said: Pete's pivot from progressive, M4A supporting mayor to moderate foil to Bernie is one of the more cynical things I've seen in democratic politics The real snake We thought Warren sold out throughout the primary, but Pete was on a whole 'nother level. Imagine changing that much during your presidential run, like what
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) The way Democrats love fraud and anti-democracy, Republicans teas Yikes. No wonder so many people are Independents nowadays Edited July 5, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
GraceRandolph Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said: The way Democrats love fraud and anti-democracy, Republicans teas Yikes. No wonder so many people are Independents nowadays Nnnnn. These last few pages have been WILD. People on here actually think Mayor Pete and Hillary Clinton are what the Dems need? It’s clear after the 2016 election and Biden’s tanking approval that the gp and left-of-center voters are done with conventional politicians.
Mike91 Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Kassi said: Only way dems stand a chance next election is if someone challenges Biden and the entire democratic establishment at this point. Voters aren't going to touch anything associated with the Biden wing. Honestly Fetterman should just go for it. Wait too long and you'll kill your appeal.
RunUpDoneUp Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 I remember when biden first started and had done just about nothing for MONTHS and his supporters were talking about how he just became president, funny how trump had just became president and was a problem of epic proportions but biden couldn't even be a moderate help to the American people. His NOTHING energy led to this and his NOTHING energy will lead to the single worst decade of republican rule in our lifetime.
GraceRandolph Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, RunUpDoneUp said: I remember when biden first started and had done just about nothing for MONTHS and his supporters were talking about how he just became president, funny how trump had just became president and was a problem of epic proportions but biden couldn't even be a moderate help to the American people. His NOTHING energy led to this and his NOTHING energy will lead to the single worst decade of republican rule in our lifetime. Let’s not get too pessimistic. Things look bleak right now, and they will be for a few years, if not more, but the American people turn to the Democratic Party when things go south, and I think a real progressive moment is upon us, the Bernie movement isn’t just going to die. The Bernie movement will be reborn in another progressive candidate, and gun reform and abortion rights, causes that were usually controversial for Democrats, are now huge weak spots for the GOP.
Aston Martin Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Mike91 said: Honestly Fetterman should just go for it. Wait too long and you'll kill your appeal. Am I insane for thinking that he'd be one of the only candidates that would be able to beat someone like DeS*ntis in 2024? Because Biden/other neoliberals do not stand a chance as of now.
GraceRandolph Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Aston Martin said: Am I insane for thinking that he'd be one of the only candidates that would be able to beat someone like DeS*ntis in 2024? Because Biden/other neoliberals do not stand a chance as of now.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 5, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Thuggin said: So then WHY is Biden still governing like it's the 80s? Why is he being such a spineless coward? Why isn't he calling out Republicans for being the extremists they are? A modern-day Republican should be an indictment on one's character. They should be ostracized from polite society. Why does he want to capitulate to and compromise with these freaks? Do you see anyone on the right behaving the same way toward the left or even centrist Democrats? Why does Biden make the right look reasonable and carry water for their mischaracterizations of the left? Why is he just letting fascist ideas continue to fester? As President, he should be LEADING people, not cowering over what independents might think if he's too harsh on the people working to undermine our democracy and take away our rights. News flash: being weak makes what they're doing look okay, and it's not going to get the enlightened centrists to side with you over the fascists. Going off of this point, this is why I think the "ultra-MAGA" talking point Biden is peddling is so awful. He's basically ceding that regular MAGA is perfectly fine and just, it's just the "ultra-MAGA" crowd that's the problem. Biden has encouraged the rightward shift in the Republican Party throughout his entire presidency. Anyone deluding themselves into thinking that he is the one to stop the far-right need to wake up. Biden is complicit in their take over.
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 4 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: the Bernie movement isn’t just going to die. The Bernie movement will be reborn in another progressive candidate, Boy do I got news for you… The far-left is never happening. What’s not clicking? What’s not clicking? Bernie’s movement is already dead.
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Biden’s politics are fine, voters don’t have an issue with that. It’s his image that’s tanking. We live in a social media age so public sentiment is formed over sound bites and memes (see: Johnny Depp trial). Biden doesn’t have that spunk in him so everyone else is telling his story for him.
GraceRandolph Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 24 minutes ago, Kassi said: Boy do I got news for you… The far-left is never happening. What’s not clicking? What’s not clicking? Bernie’s movement is already dead. I think you’re conflating Bernie’s movement with Biden’s approval rating and 2024 prospects.
GraceRandolph Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, Kassi said: Biden’s politics are fine, voters don’t have an issue with that. It’s his image that’s tanking. We live in a social media age so public sentiment is formed over sound bites and memes (see: Johnny Depp trial). Biden doesn’t have that spunk in him so everyone else is telling his story for him. Biden’s policies and leadership is what’s tanking. He hasn’t removed marijuana from Schedule 1, hasn’t cancelled student debt, said he would veto Medicare For All, is feckless in defending abortion rights, appoints looney anti-choice judges, and isn’t even providing strong moral leadership in a time of crisis for the American people.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 5, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, Kassi said: Biden’s politics are fine, voters don’t have an issue with that. It’s his image that’s tanking. You're partly right. You're right in that Biden's image is tanking. You're wrong in that Biden's politics are fine. Democratic voters are upset because of Biden's politics of complacency. Not a single Democratic voter appreciates Biden calling Mitch McConnell honorable and a friend. No one. Mitch McConnell is arguably as hated by Democratic voters as Donald Trump. Further, in the primaries, Bernie was preferred on policy in the Dem primary on everything but foreign policy (that one did go for Biden). The thing that won Biden the primary was that people genuinely believed he was the one that was surest to beat Donald Trump, which was the top concern of Dem voters. Biden's failing image kind of throws a wrench in that illusion of electability. Dem voters are starting to want more than BS notions of unity and "when they go low we go high". People want more from their politicians and we should be encouraging that. (I know you'll defend Biden in response to this and pull out some random tidbits, so I'll just leave it at this.)
GraceRandolph Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Biden won’t even commit to adding seats to SCOTUS. He’s totally USELESS.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) Biden hit a new all-time-low net approval of -17.6. No wonder that far-right Dem in this thread is absolutely seething Edited July 5, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
Armani? Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Kassi said: Biden’s politics are fine, voters don’t have an issue with that. It’s his image that’s tanking. We live in a social media age so public sentiment is formed over sound bites and memes (see: Johnny Depp trial). Biden doesn’t have that spunk in him so everyone else is telling his story for him. He ran to try to tell Mitch McConnell he wasnt calling him racist after his speech in Atlanta where he called anyone who votes against the Voting Rights bill racist
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 5, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 5, 2022 31 minutes ago, phreshprince said: Gavin Newsom 2024 Absolutely not. He's a corrupt sellout that has bailed out the PG&E corporation that is responsible for the deaths of countless people because they're too lazy to have secure electric infrastructure to prevent forest fires. — On another note, this Tweet best encapsulates the "just vote" mentality.
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 ^she’s right and she should say it Republicans are hard pressed to pass national gun laws and the conservative Supreme Court majority is quick to strike down state initiated laws, like the NYC gun restriction. More votes = more power. The way y’all have such an aversion to voting is v troubling. Literally everything MLK endured was the means to the explicit ends of being able to VOTE itself. “Nothing will change in America” is such an anti-black, anti-LGBT, anti-women, anti-labor, anti-health, and anti-environment sentiment. Because it flies in the face of how all the change we’ve come to take for granted ever occurred.
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 The issue is, Twitter and other social media platforms gave a lot of idiots platforms to act all self-righteous and anti-establishment — as if their Twitter fingers are going to bring about a revolution. If you went into the white suburbs and told them that voting doesn’t change anything, they’d laugh you out of the neighborhood.
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