ClashAndBurn Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Kassi said: We needed MAYOR PETE You had me until this, ngl You know he's never getting elected to anything as long as he's the G word. Yes?
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 I feel like Pete would be Obama v2 as in clear eyed, articulate, optimistic, but without the naivety Obama routinely exposed. Unlike community organizer Obama, who leaned on the power of community to achieve results, Pete was a high powered McKinsey consultant - a firm known for flexing their corporate muscles to achieve unholy ends. If you think about it, FDR was a rich, nepotism act who used his outsized influence and power to bend government to his will. Diddo with the other progressive daddy Teddy Roosevelt. I mean, extrapolating this to other branches, there’s a reason why mafia boss Pelosi is the most effective legislator in Congress. Meanwhile, Biden was the poorest congressman before becoming Obamas VP. Democrats need more celebs and well-connected legislator to counterbalance GOP wealth and ties.
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, Kassi said: MAYOR PETE The man who supported religious exemptions to vaccines during a pandemic. The man who supported mandatory military service for young people during a new Cold War. The man who supported Medicare For All until he saw Bernie still lead and said "**** you poors". The man who supported America "shaping the world in its image" while America the empire collapses.
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Communion said: The man who supported religious exemptions to vaccines during a pandemic. The man who supported mandatory military service for young people during a new Cold War. The man who supported Medicare For All until he saw Bernie still lead and said "**** you poors". The man who supported America "shaping the world in its image" while America the empire collapses. - an LGBT icon with a vision of less religious people in the world - a soldier against communism - a man of practical means - a leader dedicated to the proliferation of democracy Sounds like the right guy for the job tbh.
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kassi said: - an LGBT icon with a vision of less religious people in the world - a soldier against communism - a man of practical means - a leader dedicated to the proliferation of democracy Sounds like the right guy for the job tbh. This trolling is usually admirable for how dedicated you are to it, especially pretending as though you'll convince anyone that a man who blamed their poor performance in the primaries on "black homophobia" is a realistic prospect, but the extra gross joke that Pete deserves to be a higher-up because he comes from money and "Dems need more rich people" isn't entertaining nor worthwhile of a troll move. It just makes the thread resent you. Edited July 5, 2022 by Communion
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Let me copy and paste this from another forum I shared it to back in 2020 to remind the girls. Peter Buttigieg... Hates Poor People: Backtracked his support on Medicare for All and stole the name to help promote his nonsense healthcare plan that profits for-profit healthcare and burdened the average American with navigating a nonsense system of taxes, tax credits and premiums-as-percent-of-income. Attacked Medicare For All and Free College For All with right-wing talking points over spending. As mayor of South Bend, dealt with the town's homelessness problem via the common destruction and bulldozing of homeless encampments, even in the middle of winter. He and the South Bend city council closed a public library for renovations in the middle of winter knowing it was a harsh weather shelter for the homeless and did not bother to find an adequate replacement. This directly led to a man named Anthony Young dying in the middle of the night from sleeping out in the cold. Prioritized Affluent Elites over the Black Working Class: Ushered in a gentrifying housing project that amounted to bulldozing poor black people's homes In a hasty desire to make South Bend an adjacent college town that left many black families losing the sole asset they had to their name because they could not afford to upkeep it to the city's demands to avoid demolition. Antagonistic to Black Lives Matter organizers in South Bend and refused to meet with them, even when they flew out to LA to protest what they saw as a PR attempt in him touring a homeless shelter there as a homeless man just died in his own town. The issue with the South Bend police force is long and complex in the horrors and corruption it exposed, but it ranges from Pete either being so awful of a mayor that he was easily duped by a gang of racist cops into firing a black police chief.... to his largest donors working him into helping racist cops oust the first black police chief while continuing to ignore hate crimes like a lynching happening in his town. His campaign was criticized for having leaked an internal poll that they commissioned amongst South Carolina voters to try and shift the discussion towards the narrative that black voters had an issue with Pete, not due to his policy, but due to homophobia. Has the same views as Trump re: the border and McCain re: foreign policy: Bonded with Maddow over their shared support for conscription and tying things like financial aid to college and the like to enlistment and service. This long-format interview with Vox basically shows Buttigieg laying out his right-wing views on foreign policy like thinking the US has the duty and responsibility to decide how world politics play out. He uses terms like "American values" as dog whistles for what right-wingers would flat out refer to as "Judeo-Christian Western values". Essentialist fear-mongering over China. Hardliner defending Israel and its continued apartheid against the Palestinian people. Condemned Trump for not supporting more sanctions on the DPRK Yet supports Trump and other neo-cons in keeping the Israel embassy in Jerusalem Argued that the US must keep its troops in Syria Supported the attempted-and-failed coup in Venezuela. Wanted to use US Military to strong-arm and invade Mexico over the US-Mexico border Pink-washed for Israel when Ilhan Omar condemned them for killing Palestinians. Is a reactionary in every sense of the word: Argued that "Blues Lives Matter" came from an equal place of concern as "Black Lives Matter" in order to defend his staying neutral of on a local cop selling merch mocking Eric Garner's death Condemning the clemency of whistleblowers like Chelsea Manning Argued for religious exemptions for vaccines and only walked it back after immediate backlash. Called boycotts against Chick-Fil-A's political donations "misguided virtue signaling" Mocked student activists at his college protesting for higher wages for custodial staff as "social justice warriors" in his own book. and is as corrupt as all the rest of the swamp: Met with top DNC officials in secret backdoor meeting early on to discuss ways to stop Bernie. Spent months refusing to speak on what his work at McKinsey included. Which ended up being that his work included pushing for privatizing the USPS. And advising BCBS to both raise premiums and lay-off workers to increase profits. Was for months the only candidate in the race funded largely by dark money and lobbyists. Even more evidence of him swimming in the swamp. Accused by watchdog groups of participating in Pay-For-Play bribery practices. Still courted dark money from PACs while seeking to be part of Biden's administration.
phreshprince Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Anyone get the feeling that there’s a few…russian plants in here?
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, phreshprince said: Anyone get the feeling that there’s a few…russian plants in here? No, sis, this Buttigieg hatred is fresh organic American-made which is why his ass bombed in 2020. My quick dossier didn't even include either him sabotaging the last Iowa poll. Thanks for reminding me, sis!
Vroom Vroom Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 42 minutes ago, Kassi said: The more I see/read (today I did a deep dive on the radicalization of the Supreme Court), the more I come around to the idea that Biden is not the leader we needed for this unique moment in American political history. He was definitely a lightening rod at the right time and place to absorb some of the insidious machinations of our politics. BUT his ~vibes~ just aren’t right for delivering us into a better and brighter future. All this to say, people see him as a clown, or stand-in of their sweet grandpa, not as a particular adept leader. We needed MAYOR PETE to usher us out of this era of darkness. Biden is good at talking directly to the American people, not explaining detailed policies. Which made him a good counter candidate to Trump, since Trump can’t explain complex policies either. The only goal for democrats was to get Trump out of office, they figured that if he lost, he would fade into obscurity. No one expected that Trump would bounce back after losing the election. Now democrats have to gear up to beat Trump again. On paper, it should be easy for Biden to beat Trump, he literally just beat him. But Biden was meant to be a one term president and it is unclear if he will be up to the task to handle a high stakes rematch with Trump. We might be in an identical situation as the last election where the only person that beat Trump is Joe Biden We needed Hillary. One of the most experienced politician of our time. Pete is praised for statements Hillary has said decades before. Pete could only dream of being as impactful as Hillary is by the end of his career. The US really screwed themselves by picking Trump over her in 2016. It will take our country years to recover from that mistake. Instead of having a competent leader, we have to keep nominating Biden to keep Trump out of office. Wasting so much time and progress. We probably won’t have another competent Democrat president until 2032 or 2036
nadiamendell Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, phreshprince said: Anyone get the feeling that there’s a few…russian plants in here?
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 49 minutes ago, Communion said: This trolling is usually admirable for how dedicated you are to it, especially pretending as though you'll convince anyone that a man who blamed their poor performance in the primaries on "black homophobia" is a realistic prospect, but the extra gross joke that Pete deserves to be a higher-up because he comes from money and "Dems need more rich people" isn't entertaining nor worthwhile of a troll move. It just makes the thread resent you. Do you think I’m kidding? I’m starting to understand that it takes a certain temperament and a level entitlement to force your vision of American society into the political forefront. That’s why people like FDR did what they did, including threatening the Supreme Court, consequences be damned. Or Teddy Roosevelt didn’t think twice before splitting the Republican ticket. Republicans are heavy in this type of entitlement. See: the Supreme Court issuing rulings in favor of Republicans using conflicting legal basis. Meanwhile, Democrats are still waiting on the consent of ALL the governed, included the voices of conservative voters. We need more cutthroat, megalomaniacal, egotistical politicians.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 33 minutes ago, phreshprince said: Anyone get the feeling that there’s a few…russian plants in here?
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 It comes down to the principle of “rules for thee, but not for me”. Which is an attitude that can be acquired, but that rich people are automatically socialized into. If you want a President who takes Republicans to task, at the potential risk of violating established norms, then you need someone who views the rules as flexible (see: Trump). You’re just not going to get that fight in people like Biden or even Bernie/AOC, supposed firecrackers within the left/liberal movement. But you do get that temperament in nepotism acts like Pelosi who directly challenge leadership for control like she did in 2001.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, phreshprince said: Anyone get the feeling that there’s a few…russian plants in here? Ukraine is losing cities daily and the US has burned tens of billions of dollars while risking nuclear war and exacerbating domestic and global inflation via sanctions in the process of keeping that country afloat. Cope. Edited July 5, 2022 by ClashAndBurn
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Kassi received: Do you think I’m kidding? I’m starting to understand that it takes a certain temperament and a level entitlement to force your vision of American society into the political forefront. That’s why people like FDR did what they did, including threatening the Supreme Court, consequences be damned. Or Teddy Roosevelt didn’t think twice before splitting the Republican ticket. Republicans are heavy in this type of entitlement. See: the Supreme Court issuing rulings in favor of Republicans using conflicting legal basis. Meanwhile, Democrats are still waiting on the consent of ALL the governed, included the voices of conservative voters. We need more cutthroat, megalomaniacal, egotistical politicians. That you don't see the issue in suggesting Dems' problem is having too many people who grew up poor - and thus are not entitled enough - n its leadership is so absurd that I refuse to acknowledge this as anything besides trolling. No, Joe Biden is not spineless and adheres to norms and order because he grew up modestly. Bernie Sanders grew up in what was by far more abject poverty and has made it his worldview to question established norms. He literally threatened to primary Obama and actually primaried someone as entitled as Clinton. By the same token, Pelosi was an heiress who has only used her immense class privilege to settle into a role that enables rules and norms to play out as they are, while using her power to scold those who go against such.
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Communion said: Bernie Sanders grew up in what was by far more abject poverty and has made it his worldview to question established norms. He literally threatened to primary Obama and actually primaried someone as entitled as Clinton. And then he didn’t? Like, look around you. What is he doing now? Why is he such a political loser? Why is his movement at a complete standstill while Trump’s (rich) is charging full force ahead? Marx and Hegel were RIGHT. The ruling world owns the material world (economy, environment, culture, religion) and therefore dictates the absolute truths of the world, which means all ideas and principles of morality stems from that base of absolute truths the ruling class controls. Meaning the ruling class can make you believe that you need absolute gun rights (Supreme Court) or that we should take money out of young people's paychecks and give it to old people just for being old (FDRs social security). As a fellow poor, I abhor the uneven power allotted to the ruling class, but given how they reinforce their power (see: Citizen’s United), it stands to reason that Dem’s need rich people who agree with their vision of the world to stand up and exercise their clout (I’m looking at you Hollywood).
Thuggin Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Kassi said: The more I see/read (today I did a deep dive on the radicalization of the Supreme Court), the more I come around to the idea that Biden is not the leader we needed for this unique moment in American political history. He was definitely a lightening rod at the right time and place to absorb some of the insidious machinations of our politics. BUT his ~vibes~ just aren’t right for delivering us into a better and brighter future. All this to say, people see him as a clown, or stand-in of their sweet grandpa, not as a particular adept leader. We needed MAYOR PETE to usher us out of this era of darkness. Yes, it is a unique moment in American history. We are descending into Christo-fascism because basically the entire Republican Party have become anti-democratic QAnon lunatics. They still think the election was stolen from Trump in 2020. They are waiting for the next insurrection attempt to be successful. They want a one party state. They want Trump as dictator. They are already advocating for violence against marginalized groups. They want to pave the way for a white ethnostate in which Republicans' interpretation of the Bible governs the law. So then WHY is Biden still governing like it's the 80s? Why is he being such a spineless coward? Why isn't he calling out Republicans for being the extremists they are? A modern-day Republican should be an indictment on one's character. They should be ostracized from polite society. Why does he want to capitulate to and compromise with these freaks? Do you see anyone on the right behaving the same way toward the left or even centrist Democrats? Why does Biden make the right look reasonable and carry water for their mischaracterizations of the left? Why is he just letting fascist ideas continue to fester? As President, he should be LEADING people, not cowering over what independents might think if he's too harsh on the people working to undermine our democracy and take away our rights. News flash: being weak makes what they're doing look okay, and it's not going to get the enlightened centrists to side with you over the fascists. But this is not a "Biden" thing. It's not just his "vibes". This is the vast majority of the Democratic Party and their cuckoldry toward the Republican Party. How would Pete be any different?
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, Communion said: By the same token, Pelosi was an heiress who has only used her immense class privilege to settle into a role that enables rules and norms to play out as they are, while using her power to scold those who go against such. Nancy Pelosi has passed ARP, BIF, BBB, Women's Health Act, Equality Act, PRO Act, legal marijuana, George Floyd Policing Act, half a dozen gun bills, voting rights, immigration reform, and more through a very narrow majority in just the last 18 months. I mean, she’s in Italy right now because, when denied communion by her local SF priest b/c of her support for abortions, she went to receive it from the Pope in Rome. Literally flexing her ruling class muscles to use the Pope in setting a precedent for pro choice people to receive communion in the US. Ergo, influencing morals. Who else is doing that? Who from a not well connected family could even dream of such a power play?
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kassi said: Why is he such a political loser? "Bernie Sanders is a political loser because.... he grew up poor" Please stop.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) That communism post the center-right (including Biden) is truly more aligned with fascists than with the left tbh And not 103-state-losses-in-a-row stans (or even ex-stans) calling others political losers, I- Edited July 5, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Communion said: "Bernie Sanders is a political loser because.... he grew up poor" Please stop. Because he’s not doing anything notable. And no1currie about his Twitter posts. The fact that he grew up poor I think limits his imagination as to what his options for wielding power are.
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 That’s all am saying. Rich people are much more ruthless and cognizant of the levers of power in which they have to affect change in their direction. It’s time Dems leverage them to our advantage. No more Bidens or Jimmy Carters. Hell, even Obamas.
Harrier Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Pete's pivot from progressive, M4A supporting mayor to moderate foil to Bernie is one of the more cynical things I've seen in democratic politics The real snake
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Anyway, as crazy as my theories are, they’ll never amount to this. At least there’s some merit to rich people having uneven access to levers of power, but internet owns??
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