ClashAndBurn Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 Just now, rihannabiggestfan said: I agree with all of this tbh. I get that her 2020 primary run was similar to Biden's 2008 and 1988 primary runs (aka absolute BOMBS), and Biden got the nom after that - but the main difference is that Biden was VP to OBAMA, while Kamala is VP to the most PANNED president in modern US history, so that should be taken into consideration (plus she's even worse at interviews than Biden and just generally awful) That would be an unrealistic kii, but isn't it saying the opposite? Trump beating Kamala in the popular vote would be an Electoral College landslide/murder Oops. I meant to say that she'd do any better against DeSantis. IMO, either would cream her by like 8 points minimum Also, most polling I've seen shows Biden behind Trump by at least 5 or 6 points, so
slik Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Kassi said: TY. We may disagree often on the leadership on the left but I appreciate that.
Vroom Vroom Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Oops. I meant to say that she'd do any better against DeSantis. IMO, either would cream her by like 8 points minimum Also, most polling I've seen shows Biden behind Trump by at least 5 or 6 points, so Aren’t these the same type of polls that showed that Biden would beat Bernie in the primaries? But back then those polls weren’t reliable. Because Bernie actually beat Hillary (in 2016) and Biden (in 2020) until the DNC cheated It is just interesting that you fully accept polls that fit your narrative but downplay the ones that don’t I do believe these polls are accurate and give a good snapshot of what people are thinking right now, 2.5 years away from the election
ClashAndBurn Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Aren’t these the same type of polls that showed that Biden would beat Bernie in the primaries? But back then those polls weren’t reliable. Because Bernie actually beat Hillary (in 2016) and Biden (in 2020) until the DNC cheated It is just interesting that you fully accept polls that fit your narrative but downplay the ones that don’t I do believe these polls are accurate and give a good snapshot of what people are thinking right now, 2.5 years away from the election Doubtful. Biden sucks and he's going to get thrown out fair and square: Terrorist Trump and the Republicans won't even need the cheating to guarantee their victory over pathetic, senile do-nothing Biden. He might win if only New York and California counted for the vote like they basically do for the popular vote libs like to brag that Hillary won. But, eh... That's not the world we live in.
GraceRandolph Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Kassi said: Honestly don’t think progressives can win anymore elections after this little episode in high gas prices. Unless they’re willing to unequivocally say: “DRILL, baby drill!”. Bc Americans won’t want to return to this time anytime soon. It’s going to become a sticking point and I don’t think that progressives can untangle themselves from the interests of extreme climate organizations like the Sunrise Movement. Oh yes the GP is angry at the Sunrise Movement and not Joe Biden or corporatist Dems for high gas prices.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) What's extreme is Biden's ABYSMAL plan on climate, not Sunrise Movement. Biden got the same letter grade that Trump got, like the right-wingers they both are Edited July 4, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
Kassi Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Oh yes the GP is angry at the Sunrise Movement and not Joe Biden or corporatist Dems for high gas prices. Woah. This is a complete misinterpretation of my point. I'll take the blame here for maybe not being clear. What I'm saying is, during the 2020 primary debates, there was this running theme of "banning fracking" and "no new drilling on federal lands" etc. It got to a point where even Biden agreed to ban new fracking (which apparently wasn't enough for some folks cause he wasn't calling to ban ALL fracking). That just won't fly anymore. Especially when the evidence shows that increasing energy prices leads to the proliferation of coal (the dirtiest of polluters) as an energy source. Notwithstanding that high gas prices is just bad politics. However, while rank-in-file Dems will be able to reflect and say we have to plan for a smooth transitions, which includes allowing fracking, progressive candidates may be tied down by their commitments to climate activist groups.
Kassi Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Vroom Vroom said: Because Bernie actually beat Hillary (in 2016) and Biden (in 2020) until the DNC cheated Please don't spread this lie. It's very Trumpian in that the "Big Lie" presupposes that voters who don't rally behind a certain candidate don't deserve to have their votes counted. Clinton won against Bernie by a lot (almost 4 million votes) and Biden won by even more. I don't even mean to make it an argument. But, all of the post election analysis has shown the simplest explanations to be that Clinton won on name recognition, and Biden won on familiarity.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 You don’t have to know Portuguese to know what this says. But… thoughts on Joe Biden being the least popular second-year president since approval ratings were recorded?
Communion Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kassi said: That just won't fly anymore. Gas prices are up due to an unpopular proxy war and price gouging by corporate entities. Both of these situations ironically favor a progressive over a centrist. Centrism is ironically why this is all happening because spending more on aiding a country most Americans can't find on a map than we spend on things like free school lunches is why Biden's own popularity has tanked with Democrats. Hard to push crackpot neoliberal economics when most people are radicalized by the easily observed fact that companies across the board are seeing record-breaking profits. Hard to imagine a progressive president would fail to meet the moment of lifting sanctions on Venezuela for the kind of cheap oil that India and China have been enjoying from Russia for the last 3 months, or recognizing that Russia already has conquered 2/3rd's of Eastern Ukraine and that $40b is now lost to a money pit that can only be saved through diplomacy. Like you said, most Americans rightfully care more about the cost of filling their tank than most other policy issues - and that most extends as well to how economic woes outweigh neoliberal foreign policy gusto and adventurism. Progressive legislation is the most popular in the country. People want credit card company reined in and capped drug costs - not proxy wars via NATO and poisoned baby formula. But of course you know this, which is why you desperately try to frame the tanking of a CENTRIST DEMOCRAT and the backfiring of YOU GETTING EVERYTHING YOU WANTED as somehow bad for progressives when now a majority of Americans says that fixing the US economy is a far more important issue than money to Ukraine. #PutinsPriceHike didn't poll well, I guess. But because you voted for the geriatric version of the Boss Baby, you've doomed all of us. Edited July 4, 2022 by Communion
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 Omg lol, Communion's "Baby, you" quote reminded me of this
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: You don’t have to know Portuguese to know what this says. But… thoughts on Joe Biden being the least popular second-year president since approval ratings were recorded? I'm not shocked. Neoliberals are a corrupt establishment and anti-populist evil Universally PANNED 29%-approval Eric Adams comes to mind too, TRASH Edited July 4, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 Oh, and speaking of Delaney, end him, Seth I've very recently noticed that Seth is much better than his peers tbh ^definitely not sensitive content
Mike91 Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, rihannabiggestfan said: I'm not shocked. Neoliberals are a corrupt establishment and anti-populist evil Universally PANNED 29%-approval Eric Adams comes to mind too, TRASH Progressives have been telling voters who these people are, yet they still vote for them and act shocked when they realize how terrible these people are.
Vroom Vroom Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Kassi said: Please don't spread this lie. It's very Trumpian in that the "Big Lie" presupposes that voters who don't rally behind a certain candidate don't deserve to have their votes counted. Clinton won against Bernie by a lot (almost 4 million votes) and Biden won by even more. I don't even mean to make it an argument. But, all of the post election analysis has shown the simplest explanations to be that Clinton won on name recognition, and Biden won on familiarity. I was being sarcastic. Bernie did not win either of these primaries
Communion Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 Speaking of primaries, it feels like there should be a conversation of placing any states who have such laws on the books at odds with the Democratic Party's mission should be placed at the very end of the order of who gets to go first: People tried previously to exploit identity and demographics but it's hard to imagine justification that the most far-right states in the nation have any significant role in deciding the Democratic nominee.
Kassi Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 9 hours ago, Communion said: Gas prices are up due to an unpopular proxy war and price gouging by corporate entities. Both of these situations ironically favor a progressive over a centrist. Centrism is ironically why this is all happening because spending more on aiding a country most Americans can't find on a map than we spend on things like free school lunches is why Biden's own popularity has tanked with Democrats. Hard to push crackpot neoliberal economics when most people are radicalized by the easily observed fact that companies across the board are seeing record-breaking profits. Hard to imagine a progressive president would fail to meet the moment of lifting sanctions on Venezuela for the kind of cheap oil that India and China have been enjoying from Russia for the last 3 months, or recognizing that Russia already has conquered 2/3rd's of Eastern Ukraine and that $40b is now lost to a money pit that can only be saved through diplomacy. Like you said, most Americans rightfully care more about the cost of filling their tank than most other policy issues - and that most extends as well to how economic woes outweigh neoliberal foreign policy gusto and adventurism. Progressive legislation is the most popular in the country. People want credit card company reined in and capped drug costs - not proxy wars via NATO and poisoned baby formula. But of course you know this, which is why you desperately try to frame the tanking of a CENTRIST DEMOCRAT and the backfiring of YOU GETTING EVERYTHING YOU WANTED as somehow bad for progressives when now a majority of Americans says that fixing the US economy is a far more important issue than money to Ukraine. #PutinsPriceHike didn't poll well, I guess. But because you voted for the geriatric version of the Boss Baby, you've doomed all of us. If you want Russia’s army of t*ddler r*p**t to win the war just say that. Me and my girlies are going to focus on INCREASING domestic oil capacity. While the Sunrise Movement forces progressives to run on a losing Green New Deal.
Communion Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kassi said: If you want Russia’s army of t*ddler r*p**t to win 9 hours ago, Communion said: Russia already has conquered 2/3rd's of Eastern Ukraine and that $40b is now lost to a money pit Looks like that's what Biden wants by lying to both the American people and Ukrainian people that his solutions are helping in ways they're simply not.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) The way my well-spoken and progressive girl spilled TEA like that on mainstream media, whew. the acclaim even the interviewer kinda slayed (which helped not bring the overall quality of the vid down), but he's definitely not the typical Fox contributor. (And by the way, stans of someone who lost an embarrassing 103 states in a row sure know about "not winning" ) Edited July 4, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
GraceRandolph Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, slik said: Whatever legacy or positive impact Biden had before his first term will be GONE by the end of it. If he doesn’t change approaches soon then he’ll be remembered as one of the worst presidents in modern time along with Bush and Trump.
Vroom Vroom Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Whatever legacy or positive impact Biden had before his first term will be GONE by the end of it. If he doesn’t change approaches soon then he’ll be remembered as one of the worst presidents in modern time along with Bush and Trump. Biden’s biggest mistake is that he has failed to protect voting rights. Republicans have spent the past 2 years making it almost impossible for democrats to win in red states. He should be using his time as president to prevent future fascist threats from taking over the country. Attempts to support voting rights were made but he kind of gave up. Biden won’t be blamed for the rise of fascism, but he should receive some blame for allowing it to happen during his watch. Democracy is in danger and republicans like Trump have showed a willingness to challenge it and destroy it. We almost lost it in 2020 and Trump is preparing to try again in 2024 since no one is stopping him. The only defense we have now is the judiciary branch. Which Biden has strengthened with all the federal judges he has appointed. The major issue is that the last line of defense it the Supreme Court and well ….. you know
Kassi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 The more I see/read (today I did a deep dive on the radicalization of the Supreme Court), the more I come around to the idea that Biden is not the leader we needed for this unique moment in American political history. He was definitely a lightening rod at the right time and place to absorb some of the insidious machinations of our politics. BUT his ~vibes~ just aren’t right for delivering us into a better and brighter future. All this to say, people see him as a clown, or stand-in of their sweet grandpa, not as a particular adept leader. We needed MAYOR PETE to usher us out of this era of darkness.
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