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ClashAndBurn Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: I like how the Steve Phillips points can be summarized as: 1. The economy is great, your lived experiences while being crushed by runaway inflation and price gouging are lying to you. 2. Let's take voters of color for granted! Again! 3. Swing voters don't exist anymore, and leftists who are dissatisfied with Biden clearly aren't going to vote for Trump, so Biden has nothing to worry about even if they stay home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ClashAndBurn Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, Kassi said: The way the 57% voting for Biden are able to grasp that Israel is its own country with its own Prime Minister responsible for his country's actions. Joe Biden is fully arming and funding a country that would be materially incapable of committing the atrocities they are doing without his full backing. I think y'all just don't understand that Israel is a completely dependent client state. An American military base disguised as a country. They are not acting against Biden's wishes. They are carrying out the Zionist project with his full blessing, as shown through his actual actions and material support! Biden's strongly-worded phone calls are lies and PR speak because he knows that his ideological wants and desires are not aligned with the mission of getting re-elected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 3 hours ago, GhostBox said: We have made a lot of progress on a bunch of issues and it sucks it's all gonna be wiped away if Trump wins again. Then it's back to square one on all of it. Why exactly do you think Biden is being criticized for purposfully trying to lose? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassi Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 24 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Joe Biden is fully arming and funding a country that would be materially incapable of committing the atrocities they are doing without his full backing. I think y'all just don't understand that Israel is a completely dependent client state. An American military base disguised as a country. They are not acting against Biden's wishes. They are carrying out the Zionist project with his full blessing, as shown through his actual actions and material support! Biden's strongly-worded phone calls are lies and PR speak because he knows that his ideological wants and desires are not aligned with the mission of getting re-elected. Mind you, all of Israel's current funding was delivered during the Trump admin. Super weird to pretend that Biden made Hamas conduct Oct 7th and then Biden forced Israel to retaliate with disproportionate force. Not only do Democrats have agency over Republicans in the US, but I guess also right wing Zionist and Islamist governments in the Middle East. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ClashAndBurn Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 5 minutes ago, Kassi said: Mind you, all of Israel's current funding was delivered during the Trump admin. Super weird to pretend that Biden made Hamas conduct Oct 7th and then Biden forced Israel to retaliate with disproportional force. Biden didn't force anything, no, but he's more than fine with the outcome. His response to Israel breaking diplomatic norms and striking an Iranian consulate: silence (which meant his response to Ecuador raiding Mexico's embassy had to be tepid as well) His response to the largest expansion of illegal settlements in the West Bank EVER: silence His response to the slaughter of WCK workers was not even silence but full-throated defense (from John "there is no evidence this was anything other than an accident from the most moral army in the world!" Kirby himself) until he had to get bullied into giving Netanyahu another strongly worded phone call by Democratic Party Congress members and Senators. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOSS Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 54 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: I like how the Steve Phillips points can be summarized as: 1. The economy is great, your lived experiences while being crushed by runaway inflation and price gouging are lying to you. 2. Let's take voters of color for granted! Again! 3. Swing voters don't exist anymore, and leftists who are dissatisfied with Biden clearly aren't going to vote for Trump, so Biden has nothing to worry about even if they stay home. There is not "runaway inflation" in the United States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassi Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 4 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Biden didn't force anything, no, but he's more than fine with the outcome. His response to Israel breaking diplomatic norms and striking an Iranian consulate: silence (which meant his response to Ecuador raiding Mexico's embassy had to be tepid as well) His response to the largest expansion of illegal settlements in the West Bank EVER: silence His response to the slaughter of WCK workers was not even silence but full-throated defense (from John "there is no evidence this was anything other than an accident from the most moral army in the world!" Kirby himself) until he had to get bullied into giving Netanyahu another strongly worded phone call by Democratic Party Congress members and Senators. At the end of the day, the US maintains strategic alliances with different countries incl. Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt, Philippines, and even China — despite varying degrees of corruption, abuses, and crimes — for various reasons. Turns out voters lean toward fascism when gas prices or the cost of construction materials go up. But those countries are still responsible for their own actions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kassi Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 11 minutes ago, VOSS said: There is not "runaway inflation" in the United States And if there was, it would be a major indictment of leftists government spending targets. By @ClashAndBurn's own logic, Biden not printing trillions in fiat to fund AOCs latest and greatest ideas is a major win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 22 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: This logic is so stupid. If Biden dropped out tomorrow it would be Harris as the nominee and you guys would hate her too and she would lose worse than Biden would 💀 it's Biden vs trump. Get over it already At this point, pick one or don't. But having this "should biden drop out" discussion at this point is boring 🥱 Edited April 11 by GhostBox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Communion said: Why exactly do you think Biden is being criticized for purposfully trying to lose? Thts your opinion. To my surprise, he's actually running one of the better campaigns I've seen in a while 🤷 Edited April 11 by GhostBox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 10 hours ago, Redstreak said: You can just tag me babe Oh good, did you watch it and learn something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Kassi said: At the end of the day, the US maintains strategic alliances with different countries incl. Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt, Philippines, and even China — despite varying degrees of corruption, abuses, and crimes — for various reasons. Turns out voters lean toward fascism when gas prices or the cost of construction materials go up. But those countries are still responsible for their own actions. There is zero strategic value to materially supporting an ethnic cleansing campaign (that can plausibly be described as genocidal in nature as evidenced by the ICJ) and driving up anti-American sentiment in the region, heightening the risk of terrorism. Israel is responsible for its actions, but Biden is responsible for giving them the 2000-pound bombs needed to carry out said actions. What part of THAT isn't clicking for you? Biden IS backing this wholeheartedly. He WANTS more dead Arab women. He WANTS more dead Arab children. He truly, madly, deeply WANTS this. Edited April 11 by ClashAndBurn 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 48 minutes ago, VOSS said: There is not "runaway inflation" in the United States So you agree that the increases in the cost of living are largely down to corporate greed that the Biden admin, at its best, can only be convinced to tune out far right economic policy while themselves being unmoved to actually pass proactive left-wing policies that improve people's conditions? I mean, that's the crux of the pro-Biden argument, no? "He's not gonna make your life better but he's also not gonna go out of his way to make your life worse!"? The issue then also being such becomes an untrue statement for those who are Palestinian, Jordanian, Lebanese, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Communion Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 41 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Thts your opinion. If the political theory of centrism is that a candidate should optimize their views based on the average view of the median voter, then a candidate whose personal ideologies influence his policies - and thus place his policy at odds with over half of his party - is objectively trying to lose, no? You can't argue Republicans being so at odds with their former suburban base over abortion makes them politically illiterate but then Democrats choosing to be just at odds with their base over genocide is somehow not the same thing. Edited April 11 by Communion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOSS Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, Communion said: So you agree that the increases in the cost of living are largely down to corporate greed that the Biden admin, at its best, can only be convinced to tune out far right economic policy while themselves being unmoved to actually pass proactive left-wing policies that improve people's conditions? I mean, that's the crux of the pro-Biden argument, no? "He's not gonna make your life better but he's also not gonna go out of his way to make your life worse!"? The issue then also being such becomes an untrue statement for those who are Palestinian, Jordanian, Lebanese, etc. Well yes that's the crux of the argument. Biden is a boring old establishment politician under whom there likely won't be any revolutionary changes. But that's preferable to the alternative in our two-party system. And to clarify, the cost of living has risen but the lowest earners have (on average) seen their wages increase by significantly more than inflation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Communion Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 21 minutes ago, VOSS said: And to clarify, the cost of living has risen but the lowest earners have (on average) seen their wages increase by significantly more than inflation. How many Americans still struggle to afford healthcare, housing, and groceries? It can be both true that America has braced global supply chain issues better than most other nations and that working class Americans largely still experience economic sufferingml. Mostly by virtue of how America being the world's largest economy is also then why it has the developed world's greatest wealth disparity. Which is why it's more meaningful to address statistics that actually reflect working class Americans' realities. Things like the Biden admin selling out tens of millions of adults on Medicaid because they wanted the ~vibes~ of the pandemic being considered over in hopes of a polls bump (that never materalized) seems like an objective policy failure. Have you ever been on Medicaid? Edited April 11 by Communion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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