Kassi Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 Mess. Imagine comparing an amendment to a bill that is being voted on to deciding which bills get voted on period. But go awf, sis!
Kassi Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Communion said: Centrists six months ago: Voters will be thanking Biden come 2022 for ending childhood hunger. Centrist now that Biden is tanking: Manchin was right! **** them ungrateful fat ass kids!!! You really can't outrun it, sis. Even the more liberal members who have spent years defending centrists as good people and giving them the benefit of the doubt feel like your centrist ideology has destroyed our country. Mama, this wasn’t even addressed to you. It was addressed to the doomsayer on Dem’s problem with inflation. I’m curious to hear if they think Manchin did Dems a solid considering what we know now. It’s a retrospective about the legislative process, evaluating the merits of concerns across the ideological spectrum, and best practices.
Communion Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Kassi said: It’s a retrospective about the legislative process So you think those kids who got to eat due to the extended CTC should now starve cause Biden's polls are in the toilets? Sis
Vermillion Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 I have no idea how this will survive future court challenges but I guess I'll wait for the dust to settle and lawyer's opinions on Twitter
Kassi Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Communion said: So you think those kids who got to eat due to the extended CTC should now starve cause Biden's polls are in the toilets? Sis That wasn’t Manchin’s ultimatum, he said pick a program and let’s fund it permanently instead of playing these phase in/phase out games to push for everything the CPC wants, irrespective of their impact to inflation. So it could very well have been extending the CTC. Point is, I want @ClashAndBurn’s answer on the effect of Manchin’s play. Should Dems have increased inflation by about 5-10x? Or was the meathead right?
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) Ngl, I didn't expect this to get a whopping 1k+ views in 5 hours. Is it cuz I posted it here? Edited July 2, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
Communion Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kassi said: That wasn’t Manchin’s ultimatum, he said pick a program and let’s fund it permanently instead of playing these phase in/phase out games No, this is patently false. Mancin was explicitly against the expanded child tax credit ever becoming permanent on the basis that he believed people in poverty cannot be trusted to "correctly" spend cash aid, going as far to suggest it would allow poor parents to buy drugs instead of food: Do you think this weird emotional breakdown where you defend President Manchin as some centrist contrarian will turn the tides for you amongst a thread that already sees you as viewing our lives as actually normal peopoe as fodder for corporate Dems to destroy? Not everyone has the immense privilege to not be impacted by the failures of the duopoly.
Communion Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) This is why we said y'all can't listen to corporate Dems and their supporters. Look how easy it is to u-turn for someone who has spent thousands of posts on here arguing that Joe Biden "is one of the most progressive presidents in history" and argued that the things Biden got done would be hailed by voters for radically improving their lives. He ended childhood poverty! He actually did it! Look at quickly, once **** hits the fan and corporatism wields into reality the product of its ideology, the partisan Democrats are able to switch and downplay and insult the things they previously hailed Biden for, now instead moving to Biden's right, framing the few good things he did as now misguided and forced by progressives. This could maybe work in the anonymity of twitter, but we're like 30~ or so members on a largely gay pop forum. Everyone sees what you're doing and it only further confuses and turns them away from your politics. When Biden was up 10 points, it was the Biden child tax credit. When he's down 10 points, it's the CPC's child tax credit. We saw this with Beto/Pete/Kamala/Booker/etc. trying to be Bernie-lite and appear progressive and then switch to whatever next avenue they thought they could unlock power; that's what corporatists only care about: getting ahold of power. And what we must remember: these people got what they wanted. Ironically the people focused on nothing but attaining power have no idea how to actually wield it. Edited July 2, 2022 by Communion
Kassi Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 ^whatever. Now we’re in a game of narratives, in which there are infinite possibilities. All I’m interested in is, given the set of FACTS: - Inflation is raging - Bernie’s/AOC’s $3.5 trillion BBB would objectively have pushed it higher (as it was intended to stimulate the economy) - Manchin stopped that from happening I want to know @ClashAndBurn, inflation aficionado, his thoughts on Manchin’s call.
Communion Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Communion said: When Biden was up 10 points, it was the Biden child tax credit. When he's down 10 points, it's the CPC's child tax credit. 1 minute ago, Kassi said: - Bernie’s/AOC’s $3.5 trillion BBB
Kassi Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 Girl, did I just not say I was team BBB? The point is, if inflation is such an existential threat to Dem’s midterm prospects, then you “gotta hand it” to the guy who decidedly prevented it from being much worse. I’m just trying to trap ClashAndBurn. Now can you leave me alone?
TheMusicProphet Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 The times are wild! Feels like the twilight zone
Harrier Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Communion said: This is why we said y'all can't listen to corporate Dems and their supporters. Look how easy it is to u-turn for someone who has spent thousands of posts on here arguing that Joe Biden "is one of the most progressive presidents in history" and argued that the things Biden got done would be hailed by voters for radically improving their lives. He ended childhood poverty! He actually did it! Look at quickly, once **** hits the fan and corporatism wields into reality the product of its ideology, the partisan Democrats are able to switch and downplay and insult the things they previously hailed Biden for, now instead moving to Biden's right, framing the few good things he did as now misguided and forced by progressives. This could maybe work in the anonymity of twitter, but we're like 30~ or so members on a largely gay pop forum. Everyone sees what you're doing and it only further confuses and turns them away from your politics. When Biden was up 10 points, it was the Biden child tax credit. When he's down 10 points, it's the CPC's child tax credit. We saw this with Beto/Pete/Kamala/Booker/etc. trying to be Bernie-lite and appear progressive and then switch to whatever next avenue they thought they could unlock power; that's what corporatists only care about: getting ahold of power. And what we must remember: these people got what they wanted. Ironically the people focused on nothing but attaining power have no idea how to actually wield it. Well, when the point of them seizing power is to prevent change, one way or another, of course they aren't going to do anything. Joe said it himself when he was running. Prevent descent into the christofacsist regime the Republican party seems hell bent on creating, sure. But just as important is preventing change that disrupts the status quo in a way that actually helps working class people. All inaction does is accelerate the Republican rise to power anyway. Joe & Pelosi are simply treading water until the inevitable happens. Of course no change is better than negative change. I'll argue that with the 'don't vote' crown to death. But Joe must be crushed in the primary. The energy is there, the base doesn't like Biden any more. I believe it can happen if the argument is made that he is unelectable because of his low approval ratings.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 "No change"/"Nothing will fundamentally change" wow, such inspiring messages voters deserve better
teresaguidice Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 30 minutes ago, Harrier said: But Joe must be crushed in the primary. The energy is there, the base doesn't like Biden any more. I believe it can happen if the argument is made that he is unelectable because of his low approval ratings. if only, but i truly see no path without biden losing the confidence of basically the entire establishment system and there being a "safe" primary challenger waiting in the wings which won't happen. without that, i really don't think there's anyone that could muscle an insurgent campaign with the headwinds of the party and who would take that risk of getting blacklisted. people who would care to try, like nina turner, would have no shot. biden's gonna be the nominee even if he's still alice'd at that point.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Kassi said: Girl, did I just not say I was team BBB? The point is, if inflation is such an existential threat to Dem’s midterm prospects, then you “gotta hand it” to the guy who decidedly prevented it from being much worse. I’m just trying to trap ClashAndBurn. Now can you leave me alone? The idea that inflation would have been made much worse by BBB is asinine when Biden is literally writing blank checks to Ukraine to the tune of billions of dollars on a monthly basis, and it isn't even close to stopping. Just stop this. The American political parties don't want to spend on the American people nearly as much as they spend on endless war and enriching the defense industries. Inflation is just the excuse they're using to impose permanent Reagan-style austerity on us. Inflation will be the excuse Joe Biden takes when he goes to reach across the aisle to make deals with Mitch McConnell gutting Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Like he's always wanted to do. Like Obama almost did in 2012 until Bernie threatened him with a primary.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 This hasn't been posted here yet, right ("They've aged well from the perspective of the Republican caucus cuz that's what Biden wants tho" teas )
BGKC Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 4 hours ago, rihannabiggestfan said: Ngl, I didn't expect this to get a whopping 1k+ views in 5 hours. Is it cuz I posted it here? The way he nailed it. Joe Biden is a the result of people being propagated enough to a point of voting for a centrist democrat (No MaTTer Wh0) that’s essentially so right leaning and completely useless as a means to guarantee a far right win that benefits both democrats and republicans equally in 2024 (while the public suffers, be it worse or just as bad as Trump).. I would even argue that the over turn of Roe VS Wade was intentional just to promote the idea (yet again) that “THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF ALL TIME!!” just to keep the momentum going for the useless, dying democrat party who caters to the same neoliberal/imperialist agenda as republicans. The fact that people even think for a second democracy is still alive in the US (where the foundation is pure fascism) is just…
Bloodflowers. Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 4 hours ago, DONTYELLATME said: Lmao these right-wingers are pure comedy, my god I don't wanna see any of these reactionary right-wing political commentary grifters ever say anything about radical leftist when they pull foolishness like this
Bloodflowers. Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 AOC was fun at that late night show btw she should do it more often
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Whenever Kamala talks, it be like: Unsuccessfully trying to sound profound, tea . "Instead of saying no we can't, let's say yes we can" teas Never mind how ABYSMAL her voice sounds here nails on a chalkboard. And her cackle afterwards (as if she's the funniest person in history when she's not even 1% as funny as Bernie naturally is ), her absolute lack of composure is iconic. Notice how she wasn't like that at the first debate, it seems to have started after Tulsi annihilated ha
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