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[wastedpotential]

3 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I'm not voting for Trump, but that doesn't matter because anything that isn't purely a vote for Genocide Joe is apparently a vote for Trump according to Liberal Logic, so in all honesty, any of us might as well do so purely out of spite for Biden and his genocide-permissive base.

And also basic electoral theory...

[Eat The Acid]

I love that my post has created more stir from the same people that love to stay quiet on Palestine   The gag at them judging any morality. Y'all are too much. 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

And also basic electoral theory...

Something something only dorks care about elections, etc.

 

This kind of bookish "um that's how we do civic duty" thing is not going to convince anyone to vote fyi! 

Like sister I know you don't think "well election theory" is the way to start any kind of convincing argument.

[Communion]

5 hours ago, Gottasadae said:

It's absolutely two different types of conflict

You mean how one is where America is directly providing weapons to kill people and not the other? What do you think the reaction would be if the US armed Russia?

 

5 hours ago, Redstreak said:

Why have we now had two members basically saying they're motivated at the thought of seeing American citizens suffer?

 

The difference between a socialist and a liberal is understanding the world is a interconnected system and that so few can only have so much by virtue of so many having so little. At the end of the day, America's brutality in directly collaborating in Israel's genocide of Palestinians exposes the fecklessness of the average privileged American. That this privilege becomes most apparent when seeing people from the comforts of the richest nation demonize and openly resent people who see their children's limbs be blown off by American missiles for getting "in the way" of their liberal rituals like elections.

 

You're actively supporting a superpower leader who has directly orchestrated the mass murder of tens of thousands of children.

Why would you act shocked that millions upon millions of people around the world not only hate you but your country for existing?

And that some of these people would at some point have to have relatives who live in this country too?

 

"Really not understanding this anti-American attitude that somehow like... paints Americans as bad people... wtf..."

*photo of 11-year-old Palestinian girl dangling from brick wall by her skull with her legs sheered like strands of meat*

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Edited April 8 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

28 minutes ago, Eat The Acid said:

I love that my post has created more stir from the same people that love to stay quiet on Palestine   The gag at them judging any morality. Y'all are too much. 

Right?! The ones who are utterly silent on Gaza and trying to bully anyone who's concerned about American bombs being used for wholesale slaughter of a people that have been held for most of a century in an open-air prison are always the one to bring Ukraine into it and berate us for not being more mad at Vladimir Putin than we are at Joe Biden. Like... no ****? I don't live in ******* Russia, so I don't have a voice in what their government does or doesn't do.

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

And also basic electoral theory...

Maybe Joe Biden should be doing his best not to bleed voters instead of having his supporters berate other people for not being heartless pricks like themselves.

[GhostBox]

 

[Redstreak]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

You mean how one is where America is directly providing weapons to kill people and not the other? What do you think the reaction would be if the US armed Russia?

 

 

The difference between a socialist and a liberal is understanding the world is a interconnected system and that so few can only have so much by virtue of so many having so little. At the end of the day, America's brutality in directly collaborating in Israel's genocide of Palestinians exposes the fecklessness of the average privileged American. That this privilege becomes most apparent when seeing people from the comforts of the richest nation demonize and openly resent people who see their children's limbs be blown off by American missiles for getting "in the way" of their liberal rituals like elections.

 

You're actively supporting a superpower leader who has directly orchestrated the mass murder of tens of thousands of children.

Why would you act shocked that millions upon millions of people around the world not only hate you but your country for existing?

And that some of these people would at some point have to have relatives who live in this country too?

 

"Really not understanding this anti-American attitude that somehow like... paints Americans as bad people... wtf..."

*photo of 11-year-old Palestinian girl dangling from brick wall by her skull with her legs sheered like strands of meat*

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Socialism is thinking citizens deserve suffering by virtue of just being under the empire? That's like some whacko religious Orignal Sin nonsense 

[thesegayz]

1 hour ago, Redstreak said:

Socialism is thinking citizens deserve suffering by virtue of just being under the empire? That's like some whacko religious Orignal Sin nonsense 

Forgive them, not everyone can afford mental healthcare. They only started caring about war when Joe Biden started it. Libya, Myanmar (Burma), Hezbollah running amok in Africa, Iran's aggression, Yemen, etc are all ok because the extremists are being freed from … "colonizers"

 

but they'll use liberal as an insult, when it's literally what they are. 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Redstreak said:

Socialism is thinking citizens deserve suffering

Why would someone whose loved one faces extermination under Israel care about if you as an American have to "suffer' with 1/100th of the pain their loved has to? That's what you're not understanding. The worst lived experience an American can have under Trump still seems objectively more humane than what a Palestinian currently endures under Bibi and Biden.

 

And you know this. Which is why you pivot from arguing you can make Biden less genocidal to arguing that Trump would even be more genocidal. 

 

Of course I have no problem telling someone who says they'd actively vote for Trump that such is stupid. @Eat The Acid Girl, that's stupid. Let liberals make their own bed to die on. @Redstreak But this weird proxy science that a vote for a 3rd party candidate or literally not voting at all is somehow a vote for Trump is the kind of brain rot that shows you have no moral argument to make. 

 

"But Trump will be worse!" - If you've just laid out liberals will not punish Biden for enabling Israel but will always actively protest Trump for anything, why would anyone take your threats of him seriously? Why wouldn't they simply reside to the reality that Trump winning is not good or ideal but such can only happen if Biden and liberals *choose* to lose and the onus will be on Dems in a post-Trump 2.0 world to actually challenge a now Trump-backed Israel cause they at some point have to win back the very voters supporting genocide lost them. 

 

You can't think Biden has been a progressive president AND that accelerationism doesn't work. If you think Biden has been the most progressive president in history, the only way that could have occurred is from the accelerated forced a loss as badly as Clinton's caused. Now, I don't think acclerationism works but I also think Biden is a dog ****-eating fascist who must stop supporting genocide and hating poor people to get my vote. 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, thesegayz said:

Forgive them, not everyone can afford mental healthcare. They only started caring about war when Joe Biden started it. Libya, Myanmar (Burma), Hezbollah running amok in Africa, Iran's aggression, Yemen, etc are all ok because the extremists are being freed from … "colonizers"

 

but they'll use liberal as an insult, when it's literally what they are. 

You are a Zionist. You are a modern day nazi. You should be considered a pariah. You should be rejected from social spaces and denied job opportunities as any other race-based nationalist should be, whether it be a klansman or a neo-nazi. 

 

Why would I take advice from someone who thinks a theocratic ethno-state can democratic, let alone when out that they are green to politics and so wet behind the ears that they think *checks again* LIBYA (????) wasn't a long point of contention for progressives, let alone America's actions in Libya being how Clinton's image as a warmonger settled in and why some did not vote for her. 

Edited April 8 by Communion

[Redstreak]

11 minutes ago, Communion said:

Why would someone whose loved one faces extermination under Israel care about if you as an American have to "suffer' with 1/100th of the pain their loved has to?

What does that have to do with two people in the thread who said they want fellow Americans to suffer because they hate the Democratic Party? I genuinely think you can't read

[GraceRandolph]

 

[Redstreak]

 

[Communion]

38 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

What does that have to do with two people in the thread who said they want fellow Americans to suffer because they hate the Democratic Party?

Are you illiterate?

 

6 hours ago, Communion said:

And that some of these people would at some point have to have relatives who live in this country too?

Why are you assuming @Eat The Acid's background to suggest there can't be a personal connection to foreign policy? So you can avoid addrressing Biden's objective policy failures?

 

@ClashAndBurn is not Palestiniah but you've also quite literally lied about their position. Bit odd to me to try and antagonize a person living in a swing state like Georgia who has already said they feel a compulsion to vote for Biden and are unsure what to do. Will there be blood on your hands when your trolling convinced the good sis to not vote for Bidej in this critical swing state? Toxic Biden Bros smh. This user said that *if* Dems lose, the emotional blackmail by liberals to non-voters or 3rd party voters doesn't work because a Biden loss will literally be a product of liberal selfishness and something privileged liberals brought upon themselves and the country. 

[Redstreak]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

Are you illiterate?

 

Why are you assuming @Eat The Acid's background to suggest there can't be a personal connection to foreign policy? So you can avoid addrressing Biden's objective policy failures?

 

@ClashAndBurn is not Palestiniah but you've also quite literally lied about their position. Bit odd to me to try and antagonize a person living in a swing state like Georgia who has already said they feel a compulsion to vote for Biden and are unsure what to do. Will there be blood on your hands when your trolling convinced the good sis to not vote for Bidej in this critical swing state? Toxic Biden Bros smh. This user said that *if* Dems lose, the emotional blackmail by liberals to non-voters or 3rd party voters doesn't work because a Biden loss will literally be a product of liberal selfishness and something privileged liberals brought upon themselves and the country. 

Would you mind pointing out where I've mischaracterized? Like last time you seem to forget that public posts can be seen by everyone

[Redstreak]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

Are you illiterate?

 

Why are you assuming @Eat The Acid's background to suggest there can't be a personal connection to foreign policy? So you can avoid addrressing Biden's objective policy failures?

 

@ClashAndBurn is not Palestiniah but you've also quite literally lied about their position. Bit odd to me to try and antagonize a person living in a swing state like Georgia who has already said they feel a compulsion to vote for Biden and are unsure what to do. Will there be blood on your hands when your trolling convinced the good sis to not vote for Bidej in this critical swing state? Toxic Biden Bros smh. This user said that *if* Dems lose, the emotional blackmail by liberals to non-voters or 3rd party voters doesn't work because a Biden loss will literally be a product of liberal selfishness and something privileged liberals brought upon themselves and the country. 

And no sorry I don't think having a relative across the world is significant enough to wish harm on the millions of under privileged people here? like is that seriously a position to give credence too? Shifting further to death cult status

Edited April 8 by Redstreak

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Redstreak said:

Would you mind pointing out where I've mischaracterized?

I did. Literally what I quoted was the mischaracterization. Again, are you illiterate?

 

Why would someone who allegedly "hates the Democratic Party" be considering voting for its figurehead?

[Redstreak]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

I did. Literally what I quoted was the mischaracterization. Again, are you illiterate?

 

Why would someone who allegedly "hates the Democratic Party" be considering voting for its figurehead?

You in no way showed anything? Like come on dude you're being purposefully obtuse if you thought what people are remarking is "they won't vote Biden.” They've had multiple people quote their posts outlining the exact same weird ass logic that you're weirdly covering for instead of just saying "yeah that was a little off" 💀

Edited April 8 by Redstreak

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Redstreak said:

You in no way showed anything?

I honestly think you're illiterate and you're actually the kind of annoying that would reinforce someone's position to vote 3rd party even if I lived in a swing state by continually acting so obtuse. You said the user you quoted hated Democrats. That's literally self-evidenced as false because that's literally not their past posts. They're even considering voting for Biden! Maybe me and some of the girlies should convince them otherwise as a swing state voter? 

 

 @ClashAndBurn If I was you, I'd vote Green just cause the reaction from this user would be funny but your vote is yours. Crest la vie.  I know 

[Redstreak]

On 4/4/2024 at 7:05 AM, ClashAndBurn said:

This country deserves Project 2025 for what it has done to the rest of the world, not just Gaza. Democrats have been complicit bystanders in every single atrocity. I have nothing but hatred for this country and its people deserve nothing but suffering and misery for what we are enabling.

 

"Please please please re-elect Biden so he can do a 99% Genocide instead of Trump's 100% Genocide" isn't as persuasive as yall are insisting.

 

12 hours ago, Eat The Acid said:

OAs long as people like you exist, I'll vote for Trump. As long as democrats support genocide, I'll vote for Trump. As long as genocide occurs in Palestine at the hands of Biden, I'll vote for Trump. I want America to SUFFER as long as they do NOTHING. I want to see your meltdowns here in November as as Trump enacts his 25 plan and starts deconstructing democracy. As long as America stays being scum, then I don't care what happens to it.  

 

12 hours ago, Redstreak said:

Why have we now had two members basically saying they're motivated at the thought of seeing American citizens suffer?

 

17 minutes ago, Communion said:

I did. Literally what I quoted was the mischaracterization. Again, are you illiterate?

Alright @Communion, go to town trying to explain how that's not exactly what I said they said. 

Edited April 8 by Redstreak

[GraceRandolph]

The DNC messaging is awful.  

[wastedpotential]

7 hours ago, Communion said:

Something something only dorks care about elections, etc.

 

This kind of bookish "um that's how we do civic duty" thing is not going to convince anyone to vote fyi! 

Like sister I know you don't think "well election theory" is the way to start any kind of convincing argument.

I'm not making an argument for civic duties to convince you to vote (because I know that's a lost cause and there's nothing I can say to change your minds), rather I'm trying to articulate that basic math isn't exactly politically motivated and a failure to recognize that fact doesn't make it less true. The line I took issue with was:

 

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but that doesn't matter because anything that isn't purely a vote for Genocide Joe is apparently a vote for Trump according to Liberal Logic

because it's not "liberal logic", it's just how tightly-contested, zero-sum elections in two-party systems work, which I would hope you would be able to understand given that that's how our entire electoral system functions. 

 

Joe Biden has 11,778 votes available to lose in Georgia, OR Trump has 11,779 votes to gain in Georgia. These can come from defectors, new voters, or stay-homes, but each voter picked up or lost, on one side or the other, makes it just a little bit easier for the other side to clear the majority. I can't speak to whether Clash and Burn voted for Biden in 2020 or not (but given how close things were, I'd guess yes), but a worthless third-party vote or a non-vote lowers the threshold Trump needs to win by 1, and in a state where he lost by 11779 votes, every single vote counts. I know that no one likes to be confronted with the fact that their actions can have consequences, but someone making this choice will be equally as culpable in a Trump victory as someone who directly voted for him. Hand-wave that away and moan about "earning your vote" all you want to pin all the blame on Biden to make yourself feel better, but that's just the reality here. I hope you enjoy the second Trump term! 

[GhostBox]

Not trumps abortion speech being literally nothing. 💀 just "SHOULD leave it to the states" 😂

 

even I'm shocked at how horrible of a "speech" this was 

 

 

Edited April 8 by GhostBox

[ZeroSuitBritney]

daily reminder Genocide Joe is useless to society and loves genocide