Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, khalyan said: Why is it unreasonable to expect Democratic leadership in the House to make sure every Democrat in that House share the same views on issues you include in the parties platform? Notice I didn’t say they had to share the same view on EVERY belief, just ones in the parties platform. And I don’t expect Nancy Pelosi to make sure every elected Democrat in the entire state starting at city legislature up to the Senate share the same belief. Just ones in the House where she’s the leader. It’s not purity testing, but you want to have a margin of credibility on certain issues you have to make sure your whole team is on board. Otherwise, why would anyone trust Pelosi on fighting for abortion rights considering she just fought AGAINST someone for abortion rights and helped an anti-choice politician back in their seat? That’s why the moderate wing of the party is in complete shambles. Ok, well why is it necessary if the votes are there? Once you start litmus testing incumbents on an issue, the caucus opens itself up to dysfunction. Because, at the point, why not go right down the list and check for orthodoxy? That is literally the leftist way, and why that movement is stifled. There's no room for strategic maneuvering -- it's my way or the highway. I mean, just ask AOC how quickly they turn on her when she doesn't fall exactly in line, despite her wholehearted embrace of far left politics. Hey, I'm not saying that approach isn't without merit in some circumstances, like a member caucus (e.g. CPC, CBC, Blue Dogs, etc). But for national level politics, neither Democrats nor Republicans can sustain a purity approach. That's why Pelosi tells her members to disavow her if they must. And that's why Republicans attempt to distance themselves from Trump. It's not about ego or any one person's claim to moral righteousness, it's about... VOTES. Why people would trust Pelosi on fighting for abortion rights is because she just passed two abortion bills in the House? Duh! Like, what's not clicking?
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: Nah I think it’s because they’re starting with the closer trash pile from my extremely profound metaphor! I’m gonna stuck with that. Again, she really is being super nice to the conservative corporatist Democrats you’re talking about and I think that’s like super very big of her. I personally think they should all be primaried, unelected, recalled, and maybe even impeached and barred from office for life!
Cruel Summer Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kassi said: Glad we’re on the same page now! Let me know when Nancy, Chuck, and Joe save the world.
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Nancy and Dems did in 2009 (actually), they can do it again.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted July 1, 2022 Author ATRL Moderator Posted July 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kassi said: Why people would trust Pelosi on fighting for abortion rights is because she just passed two abortion bills in the House? Duh! Like, what's not clicking? What’s not clicking for you? Are you so dense that you can’t understand why Nancy Pelosi would start being considered untrustworthy on certain issues because she’s trying to elect certain politicians with direct opposite views? There is a reason why politicians like AOC are more popular nationwide than Nancy Pelosi.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted July 1, 2022 Author ATRL Moderator Posted July 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kassi said: Nancy and Dems did in 2009 (actually), they can do it again. Yes! I remember the 2009 codifying of abortion rights! Great times!
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Communion said: YOU GOT EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANTED. YOUR SIDE GOT EVERYTHING IT ASKED FOR. YOUR SIDE PLAYED DIRTY AND WON. AND YET WE ARE STILL LOSING. Forgot to reply to this post. But like, what even is this?? No, ackshully, I didn't get "everything that I wanted". fff. Because I'm not a doofus who thinks one election is all it takes to achieve all of my political objectives and then I never have to vote again. Such a weird mentality.
Horizon Flame Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, khalyan said: What’s not clicking for you? Are you so dense that you can’t understand why Nancy Pelosi would start being considered untrustworthy on certain issues because she’s trying to elect certain politicians with direct opposite views? There is a reason why politicians like AOC are more popular nationwide than Nancy Pelosi. AOC is hated beyond belief. What planet are you posting from? She’s the poster child of what Independent voters despise about the Democratic Party. She’s seen as an elitist snob and an extremist. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201716/favorability-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-us-adults/
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, khalyan said: What’s not clicking for you? Are you so dense that you can’t understand why Nancy Pelosi would start being considered untrustworthy on certain issues because she’s trying to elect certain politicians with direct opposite views? There is a reason why politicians like AOC are more popular nationwide than Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is endorsing her ENTIRE caucus so she can ask them to vote against their opposite views when the time comes. Get it together, mama. Focus on actually passing legislation, not the optics of producing a a completely leftist caucus. Because if it's not abortion, it'll be climate, if it's not climate, it'll be policing, if it's not policing, it'll be Israel, etc. The purity pitches are endless. That game is a vortex of all things progress. Sidenote: AOC is NOT popular. And for as an unpopular as Pelosi is, at least she earned that by pushing through massive legislation in her time. All AOC does is tweet and turn people off to her and her ideology.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted July 1, 2022 Author ATRL Moderator Posted July 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said: AOC is hated beyond belief. What planet are you posting from? She’s the poster child of what Independent voters despise about the Democratic Party. She’s seen as an elitist snob and an extremist. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201716/favorability-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-us-adults/ YouGov has AOC as the second most popular female politician in the US, just behind Warren. RCP has Nancy Pelosi’s disapproval rating as the second highest among all political leaders, just behind McConnell. You would think someone who others claim is a CHAMPION for abortion rights would have a higher approval rating right now than people like Trump or McCarthy but that isn’t the case. The moderate wing is completely falling a part. Continuing to shill for them is a failure of action. The people have spoken and more progressive policies and politicians are more popular now.
Cruel Summer Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said: AOC is hated beyond belief. What planet are you posting from? She’s the poster child of what Independent voters despise about the Democratic Party. She’s seen as an elitist snob and an extremist. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201716/favorability-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-us-adults/ It’s absolutely fascinating that you say this since, you know, that’s what some Democrats actually are
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Well when you save the global economy and institute US healthcare, you're allowed to be a snob. But when all of you've done is tweet out your frustrations like a teenager on early 2010s tumblr while your favorability tanks... then maybe it's time for some humility.
Cruel Summer Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Not Harris polls. At least they show how deeply unpopular Nancy is and will always be, though!
americanlife Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 I asked you Monday. I asked you Tuesday. I asked you Wednesday. I asked you Thursday. I’m truly sorry to ask you again today. this needs to be a meme
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: Not Harris polls. At least they show how deeply unpopular Nancy is and will always be, though! AOC being higher than Pelosi in all of them and Bernie being higher than Biden, Harris, and Pelosi in all of them
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 ^Goes to show what “progressives” truly value in a legislator: the optics. It’s an image game for them. Always has been.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 The irony not when neolibs prioritize identity politics (image) over policy. Progressives always put policy above all else because we want PROGRESS, unlike the regressive neolibs who try to prevent progress and Republicans who try to undo progress. And it's also ironic that despite neolibs saying things like "no one likes progressives, panned!" ... ...progressives and our policies are CONSISTENTLY viewed as more popular/favorable than neolibs and their "policies"*, and that's DESPITE the mainstream media and establishment being against us. Imagine how popularly/favorably progressives and our policies would be viewed if the mainstream media and establishment were on OUR side. *In Tim Black's own words (my laughing in the video aside), "Joe doesn't name his plans cuz none of his plans are good enough to have names"
Cruel Summer Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 29 minutes ago, Kassi said: ^Goes to show what “progressives” truly value in a legislator: the optics. It’s an image game for them. Always has been. Oh wow. The way you’re trying to turn the very narrative that you know applies exclusively to Nancy-style conservative Democrats back onto the people who constantly point out that Democrat promises are smoke, mirrors, and outright lies - all optics, no substance. How sneaky and silly of you! But when we point out that the polls that you pulled out (unprompted) actually showed that our Girlboss Pansuit Nation Yas Queen is liked more than your Girlboss Pansuit Nation Yas Queen, suddenly now it’s us who cares about optics? Weird, huh! Now do Medicare For All polls or something.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 The way DeSantis is going to end up being the most popular president of the modern era, all while our rights get eroded systematically and we become Gilead. And Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer are doing nothing to prevent this backslide into oblivion. What a disastrous, failed country we live in.
Kassi Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 33 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: Oh wow. The way you’re trying to turn the very narrative that you know applies exclusively to Nancy-style conservative Democrats back onto the people who constantly point out that Democrat promises are smoke, mirrors, and outright lies - all optics, no substance. How sneaky and silly of you! Hmm. Maybe I'm wrong. Do you have a favorite AOC or Bernie bill that changed your life?
Cruel Summer Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Kassi said: Hmm. Maybe I'm wrong. Do you have a favorite AOC or Bernie bill that changed your life? Oh, gosh no, the Ice Cream Baron, her buddy Chuck, and Joe “I have no sympathy for young people” Biden would absolutely never risk anything like that getting brought to a vote, passed by both sides of Congress, and signed by the President. Serious attempts at progress are frowned upon and most Democrats would vote no on anything that the vast majority of the country supports anyway!
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