GhostBox Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) Big win for Dems in Alabama tonight and people still say abortion rights don't matter much anymore πΒ Β Edited March 27 by GhostBox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottasadae Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 59 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Big win for Dems in Alabama tonight and people still say abortion rights don't matter much anymore πΒ Β Special and presidential elections are kinda different but yeah, dems keep sweeping, surprisingly. I wouldn't vote GOP either in current stateΒ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, GhostBox said: Big win for Dems in Alabama tonight and people still say abortion rights don't matter much anymore πΒ Β Only Republicans and leftists (same thing) try to say this. The more the GOP pushes anti-choice ****, the more voters will push back. They keep going harder, now even with medication so many women rely on, so they will keep losing! Β Dems need to continue organizing and pushing this message all throughout the country. I kind of feel like Josh Hawley's wife being part of the anti-abortion pill case in SCOTUS should be a huge messaging point for Dems trying to unseat him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, Sannie said: Only Republicans and leftists (same thing) try to say this. The more the GOP pushes anti-choice ****, the more voters will push back. They keep going harder, now even with medication so many women rely on, so they will keep losing! Β Dems need to continue organizing and pushing this message all throughout the country. I kind of feel like Josh Hawley's wife being part of the anti-abortion pill case in SCOTUS should be a huge messaging point for Dems trying to unseat him. No one sane has said abortion rights don't matter anymore. What we've said is that abortion won't save Dems forever, and eventually they won't be able to coast on while being unable to provide anything of substance to the American people. Eventually the current state of things where they're spared from their impotence costing them elections will run out. Β In fact, they will already have no path to 50 senators ever again once 2026 hits and Jon Ossoff gets yeeted out of the Senate by Brian Kemp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: No one sane has said abortion rights don't matter anymore. What we've said is that abortion won't save Dems forever, and eventually they won't be able to coast on while being unable to provide anything of substance to the American people. Eventually the current state of things where they're spared from their impotence costing them elections will run out. Β In fact, they will already have no path to 50 senators ever again once 2026 hits and Jon Ossoff gets yeeted out of the Senate by Brian Kemp. Of course Dems can not rely on it forever, but they can rely on it for however long Conservatives keep trying to ban abortion, the abortion pill, and even birth control... and it does not look like Conservatives are going to let it go any time soon. They are just getting more and more extreme. Β The GOP has become so extreme that keeping them at bay IS "providing something of substance". That is how bad it the GOP has become. Β Quote In fact, they will already have no path to 50 senators ever again once 2026 hits and Jon Ossoff gets yeeted out of the Senate by Brian Kemp. I am curious what the explanation of this is. I have not heard of this yet. Β But honestly, if Biden wins in November, it does not really matter what happens after that. Republicans MUST win 2024 because there is no path to the WH for them come 2028 with the age demographics shifting. That is the entire reason they are so desperate for Trump to win and to enact the Project2025 plan. Β Β 12 hours ago, Espresso said: Β SCOTUS will most likely find the anti-choice people have no standing but then still throw them a bone and agree the USPS should not be allowed to mail the abortion pill. If I were a GOP politician, I would be begging SCOTUS via email, letter, and in person to just throw this case away. Do not come back with a ruling that even slightly favors anti-choice. The conservative on SCOTUS are just asking for voters to slaughter the GOP in November. Β 7 hours ago, Chemist said: Β This is surprising. I am not a big poll lover as polling is broken, but these results fall in line with real-world polling. Even the most respected polling firms have been putting out absolutely insane and illogical numbers for Trump over the past several months, so even a tied result for Biden is big for him lol. Edited March 27 by Sannie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Sannie said: Β Only Republicans and leftists (same thing) try to say this. Things like this are so funny - and this user basically stopped responding after getting exposed previously on here for not knowing what they were talking about - because it becomes clear in elections like this that the only overlap that exists is between Republicans and those who enable both the worst traits and biggest weaknesses of Biden. Β It's an indictment of Biden's weaknesses and how the Dems as a nationally organized politically party have been failed by a lack of a compelling figure in the executive that Dems across local, state and Congressional races are in often such a strong spot politically due to building a clear consensus amongst their base of voters. Β There is no reason why a Alabama Democrat in a deep red district can be brave enough to openly use the word "abortion" yet Biden himself is too afraid to use it. This is why the - correct - analysis is that Biden's presence shifts the Overton window to the right. Because his own personal conservatism is excused away as strategic and necessary by those who think condemning the top of the ticket is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.Β Β So you end up with Democrats building a coalition around an issue like abortion even in the deep South and yet you have the ******* head of the very same party making gaffes like saying he doesn't support the idea of "my body, my choice". Not because this is somehow electorally smart, but because he's a Jim Crow era octogenarian whose own personal negative views on race, gender, crime, poverty, etc. will come through. Β We've been sold a lie that somehow Biden's right-wing views make him electable and paint an appealing moderate sheen over the party, yet his right-wing views continually put him at odds with the entire spectrum of the Democratic base and most often on issues that are most popular electorally for Democrats. Β People who are condemning Biden's personal conservatism and reactionary views are not some anti-Democrat wreckers. We're quite literally making the argument that Democrats would build on and exponentially grow the success they had if they were led by a progressive who actually reflected the vast majority of its base. The head of the Democratic party should not be to the right of the majority of its base. Edited March 27 by Communion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spree Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 32 minutes ago, Sannie said: But honestly, if Biden wins in November, it does not really matter what happens after that. Republicans MUST win 2024 because there is no path to the WH for them come 2028 with the age demographics shifting. That is the entire reason they are so desperate for Trump to win and to enact the Project2025 plan. further elaborate on this.Β What do you think will happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 36 minutes ago, Sannie said: I am curious what the explanation of this is. I have not heard of this yet. Their path to 50 senators is already narrow, and the Georgia elections were flukes with low-quality candidates going up against Warnock in 2020 and 2022. Ossoff was pulled over the finish line against an incumbent by Warnock, basically, so it stands to reason that if he's up against a popular outgoing governor in 2026, he doesn't really stand a chance at re-election. Β 36 minutes ago, Sannie said: there is no path to the WH for them come 2028 with the age demographics shifting. Not sure about this one. Dems will likely throw that election by their inevitable nomination of Kamala Harris, who is destined to be nothing but a certified loser. The Dems don't really have a bench that could overcome her in the primary. The DNC Β will be all-in on making sure the first black woman VP doesn't get passed on when it's "her turn.β Trump could even genuinely lose this year, run again in four years, and have even better odds of winning even as a two-time loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) I'm very relieved Biden and Harris are and have been running the most pro abortion/pro choice campaign in history. ππΌ And with that I'll Β move on from all of that up there.Β Seems like old Don is too tired to campaignΒ Edited March 27 by GhostBox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, spree said: further elaborate on this.Β What do you think will happen? They think they're entitled to votes from POC and think the racial diversifying of Millennials + Gen Z means somehow Dems will forever hold the WH. Β *nervously looks at middle class straight men of color joining their white peers in becoming radical conservatives* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, GhostBox said: Biden and Harris have been running the most pro abortion One of these things is not like the other. Β Β 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spree Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Their path to 50 senators is already narrow, and the Georgia elections were flukes with low-quality candidates going up against Warnock in 2020 and 2022. Ossoff was pulled over the finish line against an incumbent by Warnock, basically, so it stands to reason that if he's up against a popular outgoing governor in 2026, he doesn't really stand a chance at re-election. Β Not sure about this one. Dems will likely throw that election by their inevitable nomination of Kamala Harris, who is destined to be nothing but a certified loser. The Dems don't really have a bench that could overcome her in the primary. The DNC Β will be all-in on making sure the first black woman VP doesn't get passed on when it's "her turn.β Trump could even genuinely lose this year, run again in four years, and have even better odds of winning even as a two-time loser. nah, I think Trump is more mentally unstable than Biden was in 2020.Β In 4 years, Trump will be like Mitch McConnell.Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byzantium Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 44 minutes ago, Sannie said: for them come 2028 with the age demographics shifting. You need to look a lot closer at the shifting trends then. Β Young people do not have much party loyalty because they are growing up in a time when both parties are absolutely hated. Β It's been 12 years since we had a presidential candidate that people actually liked. Β Β Then when you track the increase Republican share of the Latino, black and white vote, it seems rather odd to say republicans have no path to victory after 2024. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Their path to 50 senators is already narrow, and the Georgia elections were flukes with low-quality candidates going up against Warnock in 2020 and 2022. Ossoff was pulled over the finish line against an incumbent by Warnock, basically, so it stands to reason that if he's up against a popular outgoing governor in 2026, he doesn't really stand a chance at re-election. Me seeing the foreshadowing of the DNC trying to optimize suburban turnout in swing states only to not spend any effort on whacking suburbanites in line ideologically elsewhere and losing the Senate due to Hogan flipping Maryland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 38 minutes ago, Communion said: Me seeing the foreshadowing of the DNC trying to optimize suburban turnout in swing states only to not spend any effort on whacking suburbanites in line ideologically elsewhere and losing the Senate due to Hogan flipping Maryland. Hogan flipping Maryland would be every bit as hilarious and sad as Trump winning the popular vote. Which⦠polling data is showing as very possible, no matter how much partisan Dems want to plug their ears and pretend it isn't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, spree said: nah, I think Trump is more mentally unstable than Biden was in 2020.Β In 4 years, Trump will be like Mitch McConnell.Β A drooling and comatose Trump would legit be more electable than Kamala, LMAOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 14 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: A drooling and comatose Trump would legit be more electable than Kamala, LMAOOOOO If Trump loses I don't see him running again but I could see his son running π Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesegayz Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Imagine thinking users stop responding to you because they get "clocked.β Users stop responding to you because you're an immovable ideologue that hones in on a single sentence in a response. You then beat it like a dead horse using tweets that barely constitute the "viral" standards on this site to post a threadβ¦ how is that 70 person interacted tweet supposed to reflect *checks notes* that the base of the Democratic Party is to the left of the head? Β Remind you, the Democratic Party has never had a progressive candidate since LBJ because the USA is inherently conservative, period.Β Β maybe touch grass and go get involved with your community. Because people will slam doors in your face and laugh your ivory tower ass down the street. Then and only then will you realize, and @ClashAndBurn, that it's you who are out of you with people. It's the chronically online who think they've unlocked politics, but are incapable of accomplishing anything Β your perfectionist world will never come to fruition because you're about as capable as convincing people Β to vote for your vision as Kamala is capable to unite the country. and yes, while that's a failure of the Democratic elite, it's also a failure of your abilities. You divide more than you unite, there's a reason only 4 people consistently post in here. That's not good discourse.Β Β and no I won't be reading your response, so spare your little fingers the chronic arthritis in rage typing Β 6 hours ago, Communion said: Things like this are so funny - and this user basically stopped responding after getting exposed previously on here for not knowing what they were talking about - because it becomes clear in elections like this that the only overlap that exists is between Republicans and those who enable both the worst traits and biggest weaknesses of Biden. Β It's an indictment of Biden's weaknesses and how the Dems as a nationally organized politically party have been failed by a lack of a compelling figure in the executive that Dems across local, state and Congressional races are in often such a strong spot politically due to building a clear consensus amongst their base of voters. Β There is no reason why a Alabama Democrat in a deep red district can be brave enough to openly use the word "abortion" yet Biden himself is too afraid to use it. This is why the - correct - analysis is that Biden's presence shifts the Overton window to the right. Because his own personal conservatism is excused away as strategic and necessary by those who think condemning the top of the ticket is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.Β Β So you end up with Democrats building a coalition around an issue like abortion even in the deep South and yet you have the ******* head of the very same party making gaffes like saying he doesn't support the idea of "my body, my choice". Not because this is somehow electorally smart, but because he's a Jim Crow era octogenarian whose own personal negative views on race, gender, crime, poverty, etc. will come through. Β We've been sold a lie that somehow Biden's right-wing views make him electable and paint an appealing moderate sheen over the party, yet his right-wing views continually put him at odds with the entire spectrum of the Democratic base and most often on issues that are most popular electorally for Democrats. Β People who are condemning Biden's personal conservatism and reactionary views are not some anti-Democrat wreckers. We're quite literally making the argument that Democrats would build on and exponentially grow the success they had if they were led by a progressive who actually reflected the vast majority of its base. The head of the Democratic party should not be to the right of the majority of its base. Β 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Communion Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, thesegayz said: how is that 70 person interacted tweet supposed to reflect *checks notes* that the base of the Democratic Party is to the left of the head? ...you think the relevance of that tweet is that it is.. a tweet? And not that the video shared in it is the literal TV campaign ad for the Democrat who just flipped a house district in Alabama? And how the ad is a literal testimonial of a woman in her state's abortion experience? Book-ended by the candidate's own abortion story? and her not shying away from saying the word abortion, let alone acknowledging that abortion is healthcare? Β You're a hard-right ideologue who has to hide behind a dupe so you could spew Trumpian nonsense about how Palestinians deserve to die. You can't be both a fascist and illiterate. You must pick a struggle.Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 What "Southern Democrats" online claim voters care about: "HAMAS!!! THE BORDER!!! CRIME!!" On 3/8/2024 at 7:04 AM, thesegayz said: if you were in touch with reality on the American southern border (born and raised, moved back after 10 years gone), you'd know that regular people who would have never used the word illegal use it daily now. On 2/28/2024 at 9:01 AM, thesegayz said: Viva la Hamas, American jihad On 2/7/2024 at 8:19 AM, thesegayz said: Yikes at this thread full of Jewish space laser conspiracy theoristsβwhen did ATRL become full of MTG's? The patriarchy-heavy, Islamic-led countries have no tolerance for diversity, rule of law, or liberal democracy.Β On 1/16/2024 at 7:30 AM, thesegayz said: y'all really gulped down Hamas's propaganda. On Oct 6, who attacked who? Who started this bloodbath? Which government elected to build an iron dome, shelters, and preparations and which one invested in terrorist camps, weaponry, and zero bomb shelters. Β Hamas is literally using its people as pawns. A lawless country is somehow the beacon of hope for the world? Yikes. Can't wait until hard right Muslims start instituting a more just USA On 1/1/2024 at 8:01 AM, thesegayz said: it's why a literal terrorist attack by Hamas onto literal innocent Israelis festival goers, yet we are chanting Free Palestine when their state-sanctioned terrorist group committed the actual genocide -it's why migrants on our southern border keep coming north. They receive insane amounts of misinformation through WhatsApp, claiming the border is open when literally, it isnt On 10/14/2023 at 9:08 AM, thesegayz said: So Israel is supposed to let innocent people get raped, murdered and burned to death? That would make them less evil? I love when gay people/allies go out of their way to defend Hamas, when they'd quickly decapitate you, too.Β Β Β What Southern Democrats in real life understand voters to care about: Β PISA: Just because you're (likely?) a gay cis man in a Southern state does not make you the base of the Democratic Party, especially not when posts of yours praise *checks notes* Vivek Ramaswamy for "making rsense" (???). Go join the Texas Libertarian Party.Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottasadae Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 8 hours ago, GhostBox said: I'm very relieved Biden and Harris are and have been running the most pro abortion/pro choice campaign in history. ππΌ And with that I'll Β move on from all of that up there.Β Seems like old Don is too tired to campaignΒ He's busy with selling his signed Bibles to collect some money for legal feesΒ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anti-bitch Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I'm just worried about the reports of Gen Z women and men going to different directions ideologically and that the result of this year's election will only deepen those differences. There's this sense of (mostly white and latino) straight male backlash happening that's maybe even stronger than in 2016. It almost feels like round two of that year with the way the Dem establishment doesn't know how to respond to this new wave of conservatism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 9 hours ago, spree said: further elaborate on this.Β What do you think will happen? Come 2028, the majority of the voting public will be "younger" people who historically skew to the left. Even the most conservative young people are not insane conservative like we are seeing coming out of the GOP base and politicians. Β Nothing is going to "happen" per se, but it is clear the GOP is not going to slow down any time soon with their extreme rhetoric that keeps turning people away. As they continue to lose elections, they are not learning that they are losing because of their rhetoric. Whether or not people want to believe it, the majority of the voting public is filled with normal/sane people who do not agree with extremism of any kind. If Trump loses in 2024, I fully expect the GOP to go off the deep end and there will be no hope for them. Β Couple that with the fact that there is no one else post-Trump. No one as charismatic, no one who can reel people in like Trump... if he cannot win, no one can. Β 9 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Their path to 50 senators is already narrow, and the Georgia elections were flukes with low-quality candidates going up against Warnock in 2020 and 2022. Ossoff was pulled over the finish line against an incumbent by Warnock, basically, so it stands to reason that if he's up against a popular outgoing governor in 2026, he doesn't really stand a chance at re-election. Β Not sure about this one. Dems will likely throw that election by their inevitable nomination of Kamala Harris, who is destined to be nothing but a certified loser. The Dems don't really have a bench that could overcome her in the primary. The DNC Β will be all-in on making sure the first black woman VP doesn't get passed on when it's "her turn.β Trump could even genuinely lose this year, run again in four years, and have even better odds of winning even as a two-time loser. Thanks for the explanation and I think what you are saying makes sense. I would not put it past the Dems to put Kamala up as their nominee. Β I just think if Trump loses in November, there is no hope for him in 2028 and I think thinking otherwise would be insane. Not only will he be ancient, his brain will be mush by that time. Trump's biggest crutch is not necessarily himself, it is the insane people around him, including SCOTUS, that keeps scaring people off. Β Β 3 hours ago, thesegayz said: Imagine thinking users stop responding to you because they get "clocked.β Users stop responding to you because you're an immovable ideologue that hones in on a single sentence in a response. You then beat it like a dead horse using tweets that barely constitute the "viral" standards on this site to post a threadβ¦ how is that 70 person interacted tweet supposed to reflect *checks notes* that the base of the Democratic Party is to the left of the head? Β Remind you, the Democratic Party has never had a progressive candidate since LBJ because the USA is inherently conservative, period.Β Β maybe touch grass and go get involved with your community. Because people will slam doors in your face and laugh your ivory tower ass down the street. Then and only then will you realize, and @ClashAndBurn, that it's you who are out of you with people. It's the chronically online who think they've unlocked politics, but are incapable of accomplishing anything Β your perfectionist world will never come to fruition because you're about as capable as convincing people Β to vote for your vision as Kamala is capable to unite the country. and yes, while that's a failure of the Democratic elite, it's also a failure of your abilities. You divide more than you unite, there's a reason only 4 people consistently post in here. That's not good discourse.Β Β and no I won't be reading your response, so spare your little fingers the chronic arthritis in rage typing Β Β Right? Like, sorry I do not stick around and argue with you going in circles. Β I am not 12 years old and do not run away when one is "clocked". Having to convince yourself you are right because someone is ignoring you is... very juvenile thinking.Β Truthfully, I do not always respond to leftists because it is clear they want me and people like me dead. Most of them live in blue states and live lives that will not be necessarily affected by a total Trump/GOP takeover. They lack empathy and only care about the flavor of the month that wins them the most "social credit points" online. Imagine how they could change the world if they took their fervor offline and fought for people in the real world. Β At the end of the day, it is impossible to have a convo or even a debate with someone who can not possess a nuanced opinion on virtually anything. It is always all or nothing with them with no in between, and it is weird because it has not always been like that. They used to be the nuanced ones. Β Β 46 minutes ago, anti-***** said: I'm just worried about the reports of Gen Z women and men going to different directions ideologically and that the result of this year's election will only deepen those differences. There's this sense of (mostly white and latino) straight male backlash happening that's maybe even stronger than in 2016. It almost feels like round two of that year with the way the Dem establishment doesn't know how to respond to this new wave of conservatism. I think it makes sense to be worried about young men. What they are being fed on a daily basis is very scary and I am constantly looking for signs and clues that my nephew (15 years old) is being indoctrinated. It is hard to counter the indoctrination when many of these young men will not even tell you what they are thinking or feeling out of the fear they are being fed to believe when it comes to opening up and expressing their emotions. Β As of right now, why are not seeing any real-world election data that shows these young men are voting or pose a "risk".Β Edited March 27 by Sannie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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