5 minutes ago, Kassi said:

n. AOC has enuf trouble seeking votes for her bills, let alone a Speakership after trashing and calling for primary challenges against so many of her colleagues. 
 

So let’s start there. 

Ugh, I know, she’s been so generous in not calling for virtually all of them to be primaried like they should be, an imperfect but benevolent queen to lead us through the end times while tolerating the corporatists  Not the route I would take in her shoes, but she’s a kinder person than me and I’m not a Democrat anyway!

Olayemi Olurin has been such a breath of fresh air on The Hill. I don't even know when she joined since I mostly stopped watching after Krystal left, but she's always killing it. It's a shame Kim Iversen has become more right wing. 

23 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

Ugh, I know, she’s been so generous in not calling for virtually all of them to be primaried like they should be, an imperfect but benevolent queen to lead us through the end times while tolerating the corporatists  Not the route I would take in her shoes, but she’s a kinder person than me and I’m not a Democrat anyway!

It’s nothing to do with benevolence. If she could she would. The stated objective of Justice Dems is to take over the party… the caveat… they can only primary Dems in safe blue districts since their ideology sux outside of NYC.

 

If AOC and her org weren’t so PATHETIC, they might truly put their politics to the test by vying for solid red districts. Let’s see them animate those non-voters like Bernie promised to do. 

6 minutes ago, Kassi said:

It’s nothing to do with benevolence. If she could she would. The stated objective of Justice Dems is to take over the party… the caveat… they can only primary Dems in safe blue districts since their ideology sux outside of NYC.

 

If AOC and her org weren’t so PATHETIC, they might truly put their politics to the test by vying for solid red districts. Let’s see them animate those non-voters like Bernie promised to do. 

When you have orgs like AIPAC, DMFI, and corporate and pharmaceutical lobbying groups dumping millions and millions of dollars into those races plus the support of high profile Democrats who are already in positions of power, it's obviously an uphill battle. The org has only been around for a few years.

 

You're mistaking leftists' intentions. We don't support the left candidates because we believe them to be the most electable everywhere in the country at this very moment despite all the forces working against them. We support them because of their policy goals.

21 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

Olayemi Olurin has been such a breath of fresh air on The Hill. I don't even know when she joined since I mostly stopped watching after Krystal left, but she's always killing it. It's a shame Kim Iversen has become more right wing. 

Queen, I stan

 

 

And my girl Briahna.

 

I don't get Kim lately. She called out Tulsi's shift, but then she does the same thing? Lol. 

 

I miss back when Kim told people to vote for Bernie like this guy said (the Bernie drag aside )

 

 

My girl dragging neolibs with FACTS

 

 

 

It is true that AOC will never be Speaker or in any sort of leadership position. She won’t be elected to a statewide/higher office either.

 

That said, she’s spoken more truthfully about her party and their willful inaction than anyone else in elected office. For that, she’ll have to fight hard to avoid being punished.

1 hour ago, Kassi said:

It’s nothing to do with benevolence. If she could she would. The stated objective of Justice Dems is to take over the party… the caveat… they can only primary Dems in safe blue districts since their ideology sux outside of NYC.

 

If AOC and her org weren’t so PATHETIC, they might truly put their politics to the test by vying for solid red districts. Let’s see them animate those non-voters like Bernie promised to do. 

Your posts become so funny and read more like satire when just realizing that it's basically Scrooge McDuck or Mr. Burns typing them. 

 

"Being poor is not some virtue!!!!!"

"AOC and her crew of radical progressives are LOSERS!!!!!"

 

The added aggression ever since Biden's approvals dropped a solid 10 points has really been the cherry on top. It's easy to realize your posts are lashing out and a self-defense mechanism when remembering:

YOU GOT EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANTED.

YOUR SIDE GOT EVERYTHING IT ASKED FOR.

YOUR SIDE PLAYED DIRTY AND WON.

AND YET WE ARE STILL LOSING. 

 

This was always going to be the result of your ideology having unfettered power for 30 years.

 

At least establishment Dems and establishments themselves hold their lowest confidence in decades. People have lost trust in the courts, Congress, the duopoly and elections.

 

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1 hour ago, Communion said:

Your posts become so funny and read more like satire when just realizing that it's basically Scrooge McDuck or Mr. Burns typing them. 

 

"Being poor is not some virtue!!!!!"

"AOC and her crew of radical progressives are LOSERS!!!!!"

 

The added aggression ever since Biden's approvals dropped a solid 10 points has really been the cherry on top. It's easy to realize your posts are lashing out and a self-defense mechanism when remembering:

YOU GOT EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANTED.

YOUR SIDE GOT EVERYTHING IT ASKED FOR.

YOUR SIDE PLAYED DIRTY AND WON.

AND YET WE ARE STILL LOSING. 

 

This was always going to be the result of your ideology having unfettered power for 30 years.

 

At least establishment Dems and establishments themselves hold their lowest confidence in decades. People have lost trust in the courts, Congress, the duopoly and elections.

 

This is just straight up tea. The corporate Dems and their strategy is a failed experiment at this point. People still talking about moderate policies and incremental approaches look like fools. Biden was supposed to be able to use his decades of experience to "get stuff done" and yet the Republican Party is still getting everything they want, and faith in our democracy and institutions is crumbling. We are losing hard-won rights, environmental protections, and the Democratic Party is even boosting MAGA candidates across the country and appointing anti-choice judges, as well as bootlicking anti-choice candidates against pro-choice Democrats just because those pro-choice Democrats are progressives. It's becoming clearer and clearer that people are done with neoliberalism.

Agree with what's being said - moderate democrats have failed, end of story. I've been willing to defend them sometimes, but it is clear their politics cannot rise to the moment against the rising tide of fascism.

The Republican party is extremist and cannot be negotiated with, only crushed. Any democrat advocating for reaching across the isle, bipartisanship, all that baloney, is simply delusional and should not lead the party. 

 

We were told throughout the entirety of the primaries that unlike Bernie, Biden would be able to communicate effectively with members of Congress to actually get things done through bipartisanship. Fast forward and not only are Biden’s hands tied behind his back with Republicans, but we’re told that “No actually, it’s unreasonable to expect him to put any pressure at all on either Manchin or Sinema”.  This is an indictment on moderate strategy. Republicans are unwilling to work with us on any of our goals, and anything that we could potentially accomplish with them would be bad things we shouldn’t want. Even if Bernie were President and could get nothing done legislatively, he would be a dozen times better than Biden due to his executive orders alone.

6 hours ago, Kassi said:

It’s nothing to do with benevolence. If she could she would. The stated objective of Justice Dems is to take over the party… the caveat… they can only primary Dems in safe blue districts since their ideology sux outside of NYC.

 

If AOC and her org weren’t so PATHETIC, they might truly put their politics to the test by vying for solid red districts. Let’s see them animate those non-voters like Bernie promised to do. 

No I think it’s that she’s a benevolent slay mama girlboss yas queen! Perhaps it would help if I located an image of her in a pantsuit or a video of her talking about how much she loves her several freezers of ice cream?

 

Anyway, we can’t we can’t really blame her for starting with districts that aren’t solid red. On the rare occasion that I’m cleaning two slightly differently colored separate piles of rotting trash, I too often start with the one that’s closer to me!

7 hours ago, Thuggin said:

Olayemi Olurin has been such a breath of fresh air on The Hill. I don't even know when she joined since I mostly stopped watching after Krystal left, but she's always killing it. It's a shame Kim Iversen has become more right wing. 

I think it's good they hired her. She adds a different perspective from the rest. She also is much more inline with mainline Dems so I guess The Hill wants the Kassis of the world to give them ad dollars.

 

6 hours ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

My girl dragging neolibs with FACTS

 

 

 

Looks like something PUTIN would do. Good going Dems

Edited July 1, 20223 yr by Mean Trees

It doesn't matter if the politician is incumbent or not.  

 

If you want your party's platform to hold a specific belief, such as being pro-choice, then you have to make sure every member of your party in your control shares that belief.  If Nancy Pelosi really wanted the house Democrats to be pro-choice, then she should have pressured Cuellar to change his stance.  Or the bare minimum, herself and leadership could have just sat out of that election.

 

There is no argument for electability either when both Cuellar and Cisneros finished a hundred votes apart.  That's practically a tie when it comes to signaling how the votes will come in during the general.

 

25 minutes ago, khalyan said:

If you want your party's platform to hold a specific belief, such as being pro-choice, then you have to make sure every member of your party in your control shares that belief.  If Nancy Pelosi really wanted the house Democrats to be pro-choice, then she should have pressured Cuellar to change his stance.  Or the bare minimum, herself and leadership could have just sat out of that election.

This is such a myopic and naive view of politics.  But I guess it explains the mindset which the leftist "purity" framework stems from. 

 

No, in fact, you cannot guarantee that every elected official across the 3.8 million square miles of these 50 states is in lockstep on EVERY issue. I'd even venture to say it's one of the primary reasons for the dysfunction within leftist movements.

 

Anyway, the House is already pro-choice, they've passed two abortion bills without a hitch. Maybe if there was a real concern, it'd be one thing, but purity testing for its own sake is so boring and corny.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said:

Anyway, we can’t we can’t really blame her for starting with districts that aren’t solid red.

Sure we can. I do it all the time.  

 

Say it with me: AOC and Justice Democrats have no SPINE to run in red districts because they know their ideology is not popular outside of NYC.

 

Instead, they'll rely on moderate Dems to build out their congressional majorities by taking red-leaning districts and then bash them in Congress when they don't go along with something stupid like the Green New Deal (which isn't even a bill, but a dumb litmus test resolution). The game is played out.

 

 

24 minutes ago, Kassi said:

This is such a myopic and naive view of politics.  But I guess it explains the mindset which the leftist "purity" framework stems from. 

 

No, in fact, you cannot guarantee that every elected official across the 3.8 million square miles of these 50 states is in lockstep on EVERY issue. I'd even venture to say it's one of the primary reasons for the dysfunction within leftist movements.

 

Anyway, the House is already pro-choice, they've passed two abortion bills without a hitch. Maybe if there was a real concern, it'd be one thing, but purity testing for its own sake is so boring and corny.

 

 

 

Why is it unreasonable to expect Democratic leadership in the House to make sure every Democrat in that House share the same views on issues you include in the parties platform?  

 

Notice I didn’t say they had to share the same view on EVERY belief, just ones in the parties platform.  And I don’t expect Nancy Pelosi to make sure every elected Democrat in the entire state starting at city legislature up to the Senate share the same belief.  Just ones in the House where she’s the leader.  
 

It’s not purity testing, but you want to have a margin of credibility on certain issues you have to make sure your whole team is on board.  Otherwise, why would anyone trust Pelosi on fighting for abortion rights considering she just fought AGAINST someone for abortion rights and helped an anti-choice politician back in their seat?  That’s why the moderate wing of the party is in complete shambles.  

That clip of Pelosi nudging that young girl away from her on the last page. Can she be anymore of a repulsive ***** ? Jesus.  

2 hours ago, Thuggin said:

We were told throughout the entirety of the primaries that unlike Bernie, Biden would be able to communicate effectively with members of Congress to actually get things done through bipartisanship. Fast forward and not only are Biden’s hands tied behind his back with Republicans, but we’re told that “No actually, it’s unreasonable to expect him to put any pressure at all on either Manchin or Sinema”.  This is an indictment on moderate strategy. Republicans are unwilling to work with us on any of our goals, and anything that we could potentially accomplish with them would be bad things we shouldn’t want. Even if Bernie were President and could get nothing done legislatively, he would be a dozen times better than Biden due to his executive orders alone.

Why lie? Biden has managed to push through several bipartisan bills like infrastructure, gun law reform, reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act, and building up the US postal system with Postal Service Reform Act. They're also working on a semiconductor manufacturing bill that would drive down inflation. 

 

All the while still working with Manchin on reconciliation with the aim of reducing prescription drug prices, funding climate initiatives, and increasing taxes. 

 

Which, btw, McConnell is afraid will actually pass so he's threatening to tank the semiconductor bill. 

 

 

Funny thing is, all of this could have been avoided if House progressives swallowed their pride and passed the very good Senate version of the bill. But now they have to reconcile the differences between the House and Senate bills in conference, giving McConnell leverage to torpedo reconciliation. That's politics.

17 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Sure we can. I do it all the time.  

 

Say it with me: AOC and Justice Democrats have no SPINE to run in red districts because they know their ideology is not popular outside of NYC.

 

Instead, they'll rely on moderate Dems to build out their congressional majorities by taking red-leaning districts and then bash them in Congress when they don't go along with something stupid like the Green New Deal (which isn't even a bill, but a dumb litmus test resolution). The game is played out.

Nah I think it’s because they’re starting with the closer trash pile from my extremely profound metaphor! I’m gonna stuck with that. Again, she really is being super nice to the conservative corporatist Democrats you’re talking about and I think that’s like super very big of her. I personally think they should all be primaried, unelected, recalled, and maybe even impeached and barred from office for life!

10 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

In reviewing discourse from today I have revised my personal political opinions and I now think Nancy Pelosi should be be immediately removed from the speakership and replaced with AOC! I will take no questions.

 

 

Pelosi can drop DEAD but there are better choices than AOC. Love you though, lol, but nah. 

Just now, i spit on haters said:

Pelosi can drop DEAD but there are better choices than AOC. Love you though, lol, but nah. 

Don’t tell the others my secret, but I only picked AOC bc I don’t believe it actually matters anymore (I think we’re too far screwed) and I know how the mere mention of her gets conservative Dems all in a twist 

real talk bernie was the only one; he's too old now, and the true progressive movement in electoral politics is dead

The entire conversation around Matthew Hoh and the NC Senate race I find fascinating when one of the articles said the Libertarians "take" far more votes from the Republicans than the Greens do from the Democrats according to the local data (their language, not mine).

 

It was literally the exact opposite dynamic I tracked in 2014 in Upstate NY when Elise Stefanik won NY-21 which had a strong Green candidate in Glens Falls, Matt Funicello, that so much of the national press called a spoiler. 

 

That district in Upstate NY is now so red culturally and politically because millennials left in droves in the late 2010's no one on the center or further left could win it so the comparison isn't as relevant, but it's just giving me deja vu and whiplash.