anti-bitch Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Actually, I think beating Trump in 2024 should be possible, easy even, by codifying abortion access laws, 10k student loan forgiveness, $15 min. wage across the country, tax break for small businesses, etc.. The inflation is going to subside eventually, this year even. And the war in Ukraine will de-escalate, it already is limited to Eastern Ukraine really, which is still horrible but there is a path to peace, or at least it could go back to being the conflict that it was from 2014 until this year. And there has been an anti-conservative wave in the world lately, when you think about Boris Johnson's popularity wavering, Marine Le Pen losing, the Australian National Coalition losing, and Bolsanaro and Erdogan's statures being threatened. That's why the Dems pandering to the conservatives and centrists is a big mistake.
Lost In Paradise Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, anti-***** said: That's why the Dems pandering to the conservatives and centrists is a big mistake. well if there's one thing we know about Dems, it's that they're gonna be 2-3 years behind the macro trends
rihannabiggestfan Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 4 hours ago, nadiamendell said: Democrats putting on this political theater focusing on January 6th while the country is literally falling apart and they do absolutely nothing about it will be the last nail in their coffin. Maybe instead they should do something to create a society that doesn’t make people want to riot so we can prevent another January 6th. 3 hours ago, Bears01 said: This we all know nothing will come of the January 6th hearings, ain’t nobody important going to jail. They’ll just say “voters will make up their minds!” Like voters will give a **** if this outrageous inflation isn’t dealt with 2 hours ago, Bears01 said: At this point, Democrats should just be 100% completely transparent and say “we need you so we can appoint judges and in case Clarence Thomas croaks, because we can’t accomplish much more else and everything else will be a broken promise”. I’d have an ounce of respect for them if they at least told the truth, instead of promising the moon and the stars, and getting next to nothing as a result (love Fetterman though, he needs to take the reigns of this sad party once it spends a long time recovering from their inevitable electoral pummeling that’s coming right their way very very soon) 1 hour ago, anti-***** said: by codifying abortion access laws, 10k student loan forgiveness, $15 min. wage across the country, tax break for small businesses, etc. but it's like Biden WANTS to lose so, unlikely to happen
nadiamendell Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, anti-***** said: I mean, the insurrection attempt occurred only because conservatives couldn't deal with losing. And we would be in this inflation cycle even if Trump was the president because this is caused by the world coming out of lockdown, thus a sudden spike in the demand for all natural resources, and also the printing money policy from the central banks that got many countries through covid. And I'm from Finland, and we have the same inflation here, and all over the world, so it has nothing to do with Joe Biden per se. In every country I see people blaming their local governments, failing to see the bigger picture. The far-right white nationalist movement is rising because BOTH parties are doing nothing to help working class citizens. Democrats make a lot of promises that they never keep, which has caused the (especially white) working class to turn on them. Far-right politicians are successful at taking this rage and placing blame on minority groups (look at Germany in WWII for another example of this happening). I personally know multiple people that voted for Obama who ended up voting for Trump because of the broken promises & lack of progress by the Obama administration. Some of these people have gone off the deep end and may be past the point of no return. To these people, centrist democrats and "moderate" republicans represent the "establishment" and they love Trump because of the way he trashes these people and they want the establishment, which has done nothing for them, to die. It's unfortunate that there's not someone on the left to successfully take this rage and actually create a positive movement from it. Bernie came the closest, but even he is too intertwined within the "establishment". Edited June 14, 2022 by nadiamendell
ClashAndBurn Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, anti-***** said: codifying abortion access laws This isn't going to happen without 61+ Democrats in the Senate. Manchin is pro-life and anti-filibuster reform. More than half the states in the country are anti-abortion, which means that a constitutional amendment will never be on the table. 1 hour ago, anti-***** said: 10k student loan forgiveness The jury is out on whether Biden will even be willing to do this. The neoliberals of the donor class are screeching about how any student debt relief at all will be inflationary, and they're the only constituency he really cares about. 1 hour ago, anti-***** said: $15 min. wage across the country EIGHT Senate Democrats voted against this, including both of the Senators representing Joe Biden's EXTREMELY Blue state of Delaware. 1 hour ago, anti-***** said: The inflation is going to subside eventually Stagflation lasted from 1973 to 1982. Pretty optimistic to assume that inflation is going to settle down at all anytime soon. Especially as the supply chains remain disrupted by China's failed Zero COVID strategy (which would never succeed due to the rest of the world being too eager to move on from COVID lockdowns and getting on with a new normal of thousands of needless excess deaths per day). Food insecurity caused by Putin's war of aggression in Ukraine will also be causing market shocks and mass famine for years to come. The only way inflation eases off requires both of these things to happen: 1. China needs to back off its lockdown strategy and accept that zero COVID is never going to happen thanks to hyper-individualism in the US and Biden's failure to push for waving COVID vaccine copyrights because he's Big Pharma's *****. 2. Russia's war in Ukraine would have to end, as do the sanctions and embargoes on Russian goods and services. That only happens if Russia pulls out of Ukraine (and Crimea), which isn't going to happen in any world ever, or if Ukraine rolls over and lets Russia invade without fighting back anymore (which isn't a fair thing to ask of them either). Because neither of those things are likely to happen individually, let alone both happening, inflation will be here to stick. Possibly might even progress to stagflation, which is when the Carter comparisons will REALLY start kicking in.
rihannabiggestfan Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: The jury is out on whether Biden will even be willing to do this. The neoliberals of the donor class are screeching about how any student debt relief at all will be inflationary, and they're the only constituency he really cares about. And neolibs serve "it's not fair for people from back in the day" JUST LIKE REPUBLICANS SAY and we know neolibs love "conservative economics"
rihannabiggestfan Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 $10k is literally LESS THAN 2 MONTHS of tuition in some universities, that is a JOKE LOL. Biden probably doesn't even know that tho, considering he's stuck in the 20th century. ---- I need to watch this full debate Yes, drag the establishment
anti-bitch Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: The far-right white nationalist movement is rising because BOTH parties are doing nothing to help working class citizens. Democrats make a lot of promises that they never keep, which has caused the (especially white) working class to turn on them. Far-right politicians are successful at taking this rage and placing blame on minority groups (look at Germany in WWII for another example of this happening). I personally know multiple people that voted for Obama who ended up voting for Trump because of the broken promises & lack of progress by the Obama administration. Some of these people have gone off the deep end and may be past the point of no return. To these people, centrist democrats and "moderate" republicans represent the "establishment" and they love Trump because of the way he trashes these people and they want the establishment, which has done nothing for them, to die. It's unfortunate that there's not someone on the left to successfully take this rage and actually create a positive movement from it. Bernie came the closest, but even he is too intertwined within the "establishment". I hope more people would recognize that Trump also did not deliver his campaign promises. He did not drive away the immigrants, nor made Mexico pay for the border wall. He did not drain the swamp, didn't even pardon Julian Assange, what you'd think that an anti-establishment president would have done. Idk if Covid happening was the silver bullet though, I guess people just wanted someone predictable in the office again, so here we are. And in general, the white working class people should know that their employers are ripping them off, not the government. Also regarding them, I do worry about automation, that how many people are going to be replaced by robots. Andrew Yang is the only one who has been talking about this, and people have laughed, but it's gonna be relevant soon, and already is in warehouses and food delivery.
ClashAndBurn Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Trump didn't go out of his way to actively piss off and demotivate his voter base like Biden has though.
ClashAndBurn Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said: $10k is literally LESS THAN 2 MONTHS of tuition in some universities, that is a JOKE LOL. Biden probably doesn't even know that tho, considering he's stuck in the 20th century. Not only that, but it'll get wiped out by interest in no time for a lot of people anyway
rihannabiggestfan Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Not only that, but it'll get wiped out by interest in no time for a lot of people anyway Yang advocating for UBI (regressive UBI aside) without having a rent control plan teas
anti-bitch Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said: Stagflation lasted from 1973 to 1982. Pretty optimistic to assume that inflation is going to settle down at all anytime soon. Especially as the supply chains remain disrupted by China's failed Zero COVID strategy (which would never succeed due to the rest of the world being too eager to move on from COVID lockdowns and getting on with a new normal of thousands of needless excess deaths per day). Food insecurity caused by Putin's war of aggression in Ukraine will also be causing market shocks and mass famine for years to come. The only way inflation eases off requires both of these things to happen: 1. China needs to back off its lockdown strategy and accept that zero COVID is never going to happen thanks to hyper-individualism in the US and Biden's failure to push for waving COVID vaccine copyrights because he's Big Pharma's *****. 2. Russia's war in Ukraine would have to end, as do the sanctions and embargoes on Russian goods and services. That only happens if Russia pulls out of Ukraine (and Crimea), which isn't going to happen in any world ever, or if Ukraine rolls over and lets Russia invade without fighting back anymore (which isn't a fair thing to ask of them either). Because neither of those things are likely to happen individually, let alone both happening, inflation will be here to stick. Possibly might even progress to stagflation, which is when the Carter comparisons will REALLY start kicking in. I'm really skeptical about whether China really was able to hinder the spread of Covid so tremendously well until now, or were they just hiding it and now forced admit it exists there, just like in North Korea. Idk if this Omicron variant is dangerous enough for working age people to justify the lockdowns however. The vaccines should be available worldwide affordably though, I agree. I think it was a mistake to ever give Russia and China that kind of financial leverage over us in exchange for cheap resources and labor. And by 'us' I mean the west. Now the things they do affect us too much. But then again, the east does rely on western money, so there is this financial co-dependency. Edited June 14, 2022 by anti-bitch
anti-bitch Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Trump didn't go out of his way to actively piss off and demotivate his voter base like Biden has though. People had too high expectations for Joe. If they really wanted progressive policies, they shoulda voted for Bernie. I am positive about the future though, because progressive policies are getting increasingly popular, we just need someone to harvest that energy. Though I know there's not really time to wait with all the anti-lgbtq laws being passed for example. But that is a good target to run against in elections, since so many people oppose the anti-abortion and anti-gay laws. Gay rights might be more popular than abortion rights at this point.
Diarrhoea Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Are there any good leftist subreddits? I’m aware of good ones for the UK in particular but not for America
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted June 14, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted June 14, 2022 38 minutes ago, anti-bitch said: People had too high expectations for Joe. Is it really a high expectation for Biden to fight for his own policies? No one is criticizing Biden for failing to fight for Bernie's platform. A $15 minimum wage was part of Biden's platform. Build Back Better was part of Biden's platform. Expanding Medicare to include vision, dental, and hearing was part of Biden's platform. Expanding voting rights was part of Biden's platform. Cancelling $10,000 of student debt and refinancing student loans was Biden's platform. Cancelling the Trump tax cuts was part of Biden's platform. The fact none of these things have happened is on Biden and people are allowed to be pissed about it.
anti-bitch Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bloo said: Is it really a high expectation for Biden to fight for his own policies? No one is criticizing Biden for failing to fight for Bernie's platform. A $15 minimum wage was part of Biden's platform. Build Back Better was part of Biden's platform. Expanding Medicare to include vision, dental, and hearing was part of Biden's platform. Expanding voting rights was part of Biden's platform. Cancelling $10,000 of student debt and refinancing student loans was Biden's platform. Cancelling the Trump tax cuts was part of Biden's platform. The fact none of these things have happened is on Biden and people are allowed to be pissed about it. Yes, that's true. But I do hope people still vote for him in 2024, because it doesn't seem like there's anyone else viable for the role. And Trump or any GOP person should never be the president again.
rihannabiggestfan Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, anti-***** said: People had too high expectations for Joe. If they really wanted progressive policies, they shoulda voted for Bernie. The problem is that a lot of people THOUGHT Biden had progressive policies and only voted for him over Bernie because mainstream/corporate media claimed that he was more electable. People voted for someone who they believed supported Medicare for All, among other things. CNN and MSNBC are literally cancer.
Vermillion Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 16 hours ago, Mike91 said: This country is an absolute **** show and deserves everything coming it's way. Republicans will get back into power soon and it will only continue to go into a further spiral. Democrats' placating of the GOP, and wealthy donors, for decades is in large part to blame for all of this. They always figured voters would see the GOP as too extreme/out of the mainstream and vote them into power. That never happened and now the party and their voters are too far gone. It really feels like we're heard towards authoritarian rule and it's depressing to think about. Congress' refusal to do anything is also going to lead people to lose further faith in it and champion a future president to bypass them in order to govern. About to go on a news post spree here but just wanted to say I agree with this
Communion Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 2 hours ago, anti-***** said: I'm really skeptical about whether China really was able to hinder the spread of Covid so tremendously well until now, or were they just hiding it and now forced admit it exists there, just like in North Korea. Idk if this Omicron variant is dangerous enough for working age people to justify the lockdowns however. The vaccines should be available worldwide affordably though, I agree. I think it was a mistake to ever give Russia and China that kind of financial leverage over us in exchange for cheap resources and labor. And by 'us' I mean the west. Now the things they do affect us too much. But then again, the east does rely on western money, so there is this financial co-dependency. There's no worse example of American exceptionalism than deciding that somehow two countries that largely have no impact on the day-to-day realities of Americans are at-fault for the daily woes of America. How would America using its imperialist powers to sanction and lower the quality of life in China erase student debt in America? Give all Americans universal healthcare?
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