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[Relampago.]

5 minutes ago, Aden said:

I feel this as someone who was a staunch Hillary voter in 2016.

 

Maybe it's giving too much credit to Americans or maybe it's copium, but may main takeaway from this unfortunate election is that most people maybe don't want abortion rights, gay marriage, immigration to necessarily go away but are willing to deprioritize those things to feed their families and were willing to welcome a different kind of admin to make that happen, even if they were dumb enough to Trump would actually deliever that.

 

People vote depending on what impacts their immediate environments, so obviously they're not going to prioritize bigger-picture longer-term policies that make up a core of the Democratic agenda over serious problems like income inequality (even if part of the Dem agenda, too ). They've yet to realize it's Republicans/Conservatives that are going to continue hand feeding capitalism and all the problems impacting their immediate lives. They got hoodwinked.

 

Liberals are well-intended people with hearts but the "coastal elite" joke became a real thing. Many liberals and left-wings folks are struggling just as much as conservatives BUT many of them are also economically-wealthy people so its no surprise how some Americans became disinterested in voting for what they perceived as THE elite agenda. (Hence, these Americans got hoodwinked by the actual elites.)

 

Don't get me wrong, I f****** hate Republicans and conservatives to this day for their ugly beliefs, but we (unfortunately) share an economic struggle together and it might be the only thing left we can unite around to push back against this kleptocracy.

I agree with most of this, but the bolded is something that's been slowly fading for me.

 

I did used to think that liberals had good intentions but were limited by what they thought was/wasn't possible. And I still believe, like most people, many of them are still well-intentioned! 

 

But some of the fallout from this election has made me realize there is a festering contempt for the poor or anyone who isn't immediately falling in line with their world view that Democrats are wholly good and must be accepted as the lesser evil, no matter how little that "lesser evil" is. 

 

I know people will counter this with how leftists tend to nitpick and point out every candidates flaw (although, I'd argue this is a very healthy take on politics— not blindly accepting what's given to us, but always shooting higher and for more), but I always come back to the Rogan endorsement of Bernie on this. Liberals were aghast that someone as controversial and problematic as Rogan would be welcomed by the Sanders campaign, while leftists and Sanders supporters understood that while Rogan's takes aren't exactly the best, it's necessary to work with people who share a similar end goal, despite the disagreements on other topics. 

 

Contempt aimed at politicians failing at their job is wholly different than misguided hatred for the Hillary -> Biden -> Trump or Trump -> Biden -> Trump voter or even Trump -> Trump -> Trump voter who decided that they really needed immediate change to feed their families (even if they won't be getting that!).

 

Obviously, we shouldn't just blindly allow racism, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, etc to just take root, but like you said most people don't *really* want this (see: 2022 midterms and Republicans losing the culture war on Trans people and abortion for that brief moment). Until more liberals are willing to accept that Trump supporters MUST be worked with and understood to start winning again, I don't really see a path forward for the Democrats. Even if the pendulum swings back in their direction, it'll be quickly fumbled and swing back right even more quickly, so the entire political landscape just becomes extremely volatile until things really start to blow up. 

Democrats will have to upset their main donor base (high/upper middle class) if they want to win again, but I can't see them doing that. I hope they do, but I just have little faith. The real salvation will have to come from the Dems' remaining base turning heel and voting out the same old establishment democrats ala Tea Party -> MAGA electing Trump. 

 

Will that happen? We'll see!

[ClashAndBurn]

18 minutes ago, Bloo said:

As someone who was an ardent Hillary 2016 supporter... literally no Leftist said this.  

 

The closest I can recall is Cenk Uyger (lol) saying it should have been Biden instead of Hillary after his convention speech, but he still wanted Bernie (with Warren being his next best preference after Bernie).

The brutal irony is that if Biden had run in 2016, I think Bernie would have sat out and opted to not mobilize a national campaign. The only reason he even ran was because he didn't want Hillary to run a virtually uncontested race. He regarded him as "my good friend Joe" and never went on the attack even though he was worse than Clinton in every measurable way.

 

I still think Hillary would have won the primary and then lost the general election due to the Comey letter. But the primary battle would have been less contentious due to them being almost completely ideologically aligned, and there would be no activation of a leftist faction, with all of our energy being limited to irrelevant performative stunts like Occupy Wall Street

 

The Squad probably would not exist, and Joe Crowley would be the House minority leader right now instead of Hakeem Jeffries. All because Biden's son died and he chose not to run while he was mourning.

[Aden]

2 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

Contempt aimed at politicians failing at their job is wholly different than misguided hatred for the Hillary -> Biden -> Trump or Trump -> Biden -> Trump voter or even Trump -> Trump -> Trump voter who decided that they really needed immediate change to feed their families (even if they won't be getting that!).

 

Obviously, we shouldn't just blindly allow racism, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, etc to just take root, but like you said most people don't *really* want this (see: 2022 midterms and Republicans losing the culture war on Trans people and abortion for that brief moment). Until more liberals are willing to accept that Trump supporters MUST be worked with and understood to start winning again, I don't really see a path forward for the Democrats. Even if the pendulum swings back in their direction, it'll be quickly fumbled and swing back right even more quickly, so the entire political landscape just becomes extremely volatile until things really start to blow up. 

Democrats will have to upset their main donor base (high/upper middle class) if they want to win again, but I can't see them doing that. I hope they do, but I just have little faith. The real salvation will have to come from the Dems' remaining base turning heel and voting out the same old establishment democrats ala Tea Party -> MAGA electing Trump. 

 

Will that happen? We'll see!

Agree 100%.

 

I also don't see how Dems move forward with their current bench of leaders and politicians. Though there are promising folks already in Dem politics, I wonder if folks outside the party should instead run for our most critical elections. Whether we like it or not, the public is more interested in storytelling than merit. Trump sucks on every level but I get the appeal of getting to vote for someone outside the stock stuffy politician archetype, which retrospectively is what most Dem candidates have been.

 

My prayer for the next four years will be that Dems (or whatever party at this point) will form a stronger progressive story than "Democracy is dying, rights good, Trump bad".

[Idol_Maniac]

I'm so tired of the stooges in the media (such as CNN's Jeff Zeleny, moments ago) saying things like "Nobody including Trump could have predicted his return 4 years ago". Many of us were literally predicting this very situation since early in his first term and we were dismissed and told it was a long way away as well as constantly told he was going to prison. I never believed he would. The only thing that ever made me think Democrats might have a chance in 2024 was their over-performance in the 2022 midterms but everything else pretty much pointed to a complete and utter disaster.

[MattieB]

 

This **** has already begun. Literally had to see for myself. They're hiding posts for democrats/liberals and proudly promoting conservatives. 

This is why they wanted tiktok

Edited Tuesday at 06:20 PM by MattieB

[Virgos Groove]

12 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

Liberals were aghast that someone as controversial and problematic as Rogan would be welcomed by the Sanders campaign

And then they cheered on this.

 

[Anthinos]

5 minutes ago, MattieB said:

https://fxtwitter.com/tyleroakley/status/1881607245693346026

 

This **** has already begun. Literally had to see for myself. They're hiding posts for democrats/liberals and proudly promoting conservatives. 

This is why they wanted tiktok

It's frightening. I maintain that we won't get out of this shift to the right in the foreseeable future, neither in Europe nor in America. In Europe, at least we have a multi-party system, which mitigates the whole thing. I'm worried about America. I'm not sure if the Democrats can win in 4 years. Trump has the social media behind him and the richest person in the world. 

[ClashAndBurn]

10 minutes ago, Aden said:

I wonder if folks outside the party should instead run for our most critical elections

The issue then becomes the fact that Dem primary voters value seniority and decades of party loyalty. The reason they ultimately rejected Bernie wasn't because of ideology, but because he wasn't a loyal Democrat and they never trusted him. They don't like being told their party is wrong. They don't like being told their party is a shell for corporate lobbyists. They want nothing more than to feel good about their party and themselves.

[Romova99]

9 minutes ago, Anthinos said:

It's frightening. I maintain that we won't get out of this shift to the right in the foreseeable future, neither in Europe nor in America. In Europe, at least we have a multi-party system, which mitigates the whole thing. I'm worried about America. I'm not sure if the Democrats can win in 4 years. Trump has the social media behind him and the richest person in the world. 

Oh they won't, the republicans are getting at least another mandate after Trump, idk what the democrats can do to get up from this.

[FameFatale]

13 minutes ago, MattieB said:

 

This **** has already begun. Literally had to see for myself. They're hiding posts for democrats/liberals and proudly promoting conservatives. 

This is why they wanted tiktok

TikTok is the same now. Look up Trump rigged election and it's blocked in the US but in other countries videos pull up of him talking about Elon and those machines in PA. I'm also seeing videos of Elon from last night getting pulled and videos are being muted when it's a TikTok with blatant criticism of Trump. It's so weird. My algorithm is pushing so many MAGA accounts now back to back. 

[MattieB]

16 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

TikTok is the same now. Look up Trump rigged election and it's blocked in the US but in other countries videos pull up of him talking about Elon and those machines in PA. I'm also seeing videos of Elon from last night getting pulled and videos are being muted when it's a TikTok with blatant criticism of Trump. It's so weird. My algorithm is pushing so many MAGA accounts now back to back. 

WHAT THE ACTUAL **** 

 

 

[nadiamendell]

 

 

To the members on here that get angry when another member calls them "sis", what say you? 

[XDNA]

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

As someone who was an ardent Hillary 2016 supporter... literally no Leftist said this.  

 

The closest I can recall is Cenk Uyger (lol) saying it should have been Biden instead of Hillary after his convention speech, but he still wanted Bernie (with Warren being his next best preference after Bernie).

That's probably where it came from since I didn't post on ATRL then. But back then I remember having conversations with leftists that watched Cenk/TYT regularly.

 

 

[dabunique]

of course Tikteesha is doin this, they doin anything to stay alive here 

 

so if there needs to be boots licked, they first in line 

[ClashAndBurn]

Four years of impotence amounted to nothing. Everything tangible gained immediately wiped away.

 

 

I told yall the party damage Biden would inflict due to incompetence would be devastating. I genuinely don't see a positive outcome where Dems are somehow able to take back the House in two years and then the Presidency in four with their current track of doubling down on milquetoast moderate bullshit.

[FameFatale]

 

[dabunique]

[MattieB]

[ClashAndBurn]

If SCOTUS actually goes along with this and it's retroactively applied, Kamala Harris loses her status as a natural-born US citizen (but probably remains a citizen legally due to her marriage with Doug Emhoff). This would make her ineligible to run for President in 2028.

 

Obviously in a sane world, this would be struck down in a 9-0 decision. But… SCOTUS is basically our legislative body now due to Congress abdicating that responsibility so we'll see

[BeenTheShit]

Talk about brave, this woman is the energy we need for the next 4 years. 

 

[FameFatale]

 

[Chemist]

[Princess Aurora]

5 minutes ago, Chemist said:

As expected  It's already tanking

[Princess Aurora]

14 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

 

Disgusting pigs

[MattieB]

Just now, Princess Aurora said:

As expected  It's already tanking

can it hold?