woohoo Posted Tuesday at 04:41 PM Posted Tuesday at 04:41 PM 1 hour ago, RihRihGirrrl said: So I wasn't on this forum after Hillary's loss....at what point do we stop pointing fingers and litigating what went wrong and start actually mounting a real opposition to Trump/the Republicans? It's clear they plan on moving fast and furious with their terrible agenda for the next 4 years and I feel like we're stuck just fighting about what went wrong during the election and what could have been.... They still fight about Hilary and Bernie 9 years laterโฆit never stoppedย like the DNC is dirty and that dead horse has been beaten to literal pulp. They're beating the horse into the ground at this point.ย
woohoo Posted Tuesday at 04:45 PM Posted Tuesday at 04:45 PM If the Supreme Court allows that birthright order to holdโฆthe ******* evil in that. What are they gonna do start deporting babies and just dropping them off somewhere. I hate it here
Sannie Posted Tuesday at 04:59 PM Posted Tuesday at 04:59 PM Jesus Christ at Trump's comments about Palestine. They really are going to turn into a seaside resort. ย And trump rolling back the little protections there were and letting Israel drop even bigger bombs.ย ย good job, leftists and your virtue signaling. Another thing liberals warned of that yall claimed were just scare tactics.ย 1 2
Communion Posted Tuesday at 05:01 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:01 PM 19 minutes ago, woohoo said: it never stopped Evidence A: 2 minutes ago, Sannie said: good job, leftists and your virtue signaling. ย
Sannie Posted Tuesday at 05:03 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:03 PM 15 minutes ago, FameFatale said: ย Are we really about to see photos and videos of little kids getting ripped from schools? Holy ****.ย ย These children will have to suffer for what the adults voted for. Truly unimaginable.ย 1
ClashAndBurn Posted Tuesday at 05:03 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:03 PM Kamala literally said she would do nothing different from Biden on Palestine, which is effectively no different than what's happening under Trump. ย Only stupid people think Biden-Harris were ever actually working towards peace or even a ceasefire. They were giving Israel moral and diplomatic cover THE ENTIRE TIME. ย Just say you didn't want to face consequences here at home, because that's the only actual difference. The ethnic cleansing of Gaza would remain completely unchanged. 2 3
Gottasadae Posted Tuesday at 05:03 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:03 PM 1 hour ago, Communion said: He would have lost New Jersey and Virginia.ย I mean, 20 mil of Biden voters are completely boycotted Kamala and stayed homeย Meanwhile, you and some of your buddies keep saying for months, Kamala will outperform not only Hillary but also Biden combinedย See, when you do clownery...ย 3
XDNA Posted Tuesday at 05:07 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:07 PM 21 minutes ago, woohoo said: They still fight about Hilary and Bernie 9 years laterโฆit never stoppedย like the DNC is dirty and that dead horse has been beaten to literal pulp. They're beating the horse into the ground at this point.ย Yep, and they will rewrite history. I even recall many online leftists stanning Biden in 2016 and saying he should've ran instead or run in 2020.ย 2
i spit on haters Posted Tuesday at 05:07 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:07 PM 1 minute ago, Sannie said: ย good job, leftists and your virtue signaling. Another thing liberals warned of that yall claimed were just scare tactics.ย Many of us warned that Trump would be far more detrimental to the plight of Palestine & Muslim-Americans than Harris. One of many reasons why I, a leftist, voted for her and strongly suggested others do the same. Trump used Palestinian as a slur against Biden on LIVE tv. It doesn't get much overt than that on where he stands. Not sure why you're shifting the blame to leftists as if we're the main reason why Harris lost. Did you not see those exit polls ?ย 2 2
ClashAndBurn Posted Tuesday at 05:08 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:08 PM Just now, Gottasadae said: I mean, 20 mil of Biden voters are completely boycotted Kamala and stayed homeย Meanwhile, you and some of your buddies keep saying for months, Kamala will outperform not only Hillary but also Biden combinedย See, when you do clownery...ย Kamala factually received 10 million more votes than that abominable loser Clown Car Clinton. She was hobbled by the deeply unpopular dementia patient you are claiming without evidence would have somehow either won or lost by less. ย Being pro genocide doesn't pay when your voters are disgusted by what you're willfully enabling. Republicans don't have such moral quandaries because they haven't viewed Arabs as human beings for well over two decades now. 1 2
Vermillion Posted Tuesday at 05:12 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:12 PM 3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Being pro genocide doesn't pay when your voters are disgusted by what you're willfully enabling. Republicans don't have such moral quandaries because they haven't viewed Arabs as human beings for well over two decades now. This dynamic right here that you're expanding on can be extrapolated to about 20 different domestic and international policy issues. ย
DevilsRollTheDice Posted Tuesday at 05:14 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:14 PM 7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Just say you didn't want to face consequences here at home, because that's the only actual difference. The ethnic cleansing of Gaza would remain completely unchanged. I don't want to face the consequences at home! There! I don't think that LGBTQ+, PoC, disabled people, poor people, and the rest of the endless list should be punished too because Dems are bad on Palestine! It's what we tried to scream at people trying to sabotage the Dems all along. Palestine will get worse AND things at home will get MUCH worse. It's already happening with a quickness.ย ย How is this preferable for anyone? All those groups in the US should suffer too because the Palestinians are suffering? People who hold no power or ability to change the circumstances in the Middle East? 1 1
i spit on haters Posted Tuesday at 05:15 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:15 PM And I still firmly believe that Kamala would have been better for Palestine than Biden once she got into office and was able to become detached from Biden and his unpopularity. I don't believe Kamala is a Zionist in the way Biden is. But of course we'll never really know.ย ย 3
Gottasadae Posted Tuesday at 05:15 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:15 PM 5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Kamala factually received 10 million more votes than that abominable loser Clown Car Clinton. She was hobbled by the deeply unpopular dementia patient you are claiming without evidence would have somehow either won or lost by less. ย Being pro genocide doesn't pay when your voters are disgusted by what you're willfully enabling. Republicans don't have such moral quandaries because they haven't viewed Arabs as human beings for well over two decades now. and yet she lost all the swing states to Trump plus popular voteย ย So find some new excusesย
Relampago. Posted Tuesday at 05:21 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:21 PM We're still defending Biden and his <5% chance to win the presidency?ย ย Y'all really don't learn dd ย No one was voting for Sleepy Joe after he sh*t his brains out on national TV in June. 1 8
Chemist Posted Tuesday at 05:25 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:25 PM 3 hours ago, Sannie said: ย Anyways, everything we liberals said would happen that that the left claimed were "scare tactics to get people to vote for Kamala" happened on day one and now mass deportations start today on day two. If I thought leftists had any ability to feel shame, I'd be like, "I told you so," but they're just as bad at self-reflection as the leaders of the Democratic party. Most leftists were well aware this was going to happen, so what are you even talking about? Also, equating random people on Twitter to the leadership of the party that was supposedly going to save us from 'Hitler 2.0' isn't the gotcha moment you think it is. 2
Communion Posted Tuesday at 05:34 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:34 PM 28 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: Meanwhile, you and some of your buddies keep saying for months, Kamala will outperform not only Hillary but also Biden combinedย ย 25 minutes ago, XDNA said: Yep, and they will rewrite history. I even recall many online leftists stanning Biden in 2016 and saying he should've ran instead or run in 2020.ย Not these two interactions testing my faith as a person disgusted with the re-emergence of the r-slur in place of calling people stupid.
K.O Posted Tuesday at 05:35 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:35 PM How many of Trump's EO will be implemented and which ones will be struck down by the Supreme Court?ย What is the length of process for the Supreme Court to review EOs?ย
Chemist Posted Tuesday at 05:37 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:37 PM 27 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: I mean, 20 mil of Biden voters are completely boycotted Kamala and stayed homeย Meanwhile, you and some of your buddies keep saying for months, Kamala will outperform not only Hillary but also Biden combinedย See, when you do clownery...ย Biden is literally one of the most hated president of all time. People hate his guts, they were never going to vote for him again ย 2 1
Communion Posted Tuesday at 05:39 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:39 PM ย This is really all it comes down to.ย ย That there are users who are doing anything else besides holding the view "Democrats need to support progressive policy and we need to track who isn't and replace them with those who do" is masturbating. ย There's like 4 different, competing forms of concern trolling by centrist users on this page alone.ย ย 2 2
Aden Posted Tuesday at 05:45 PM Posted Tuesday at 05:45 PM 1 hour ago, Relampago. said: I'm not even approaching this from a left v. right angle.ย ย This is basically my whole point. In 2016, there was still economic strain, but since 2020 its worsened so much. Much of what I was hearing in 2016 was definitely based in a culture war on LGBTQ, BIPOC, etc. while in 2024, a lot of that conversation has faded and most people are just desperate to increase their quality of life again.ย ย I know Trump won't help them, so I'm interested to see where their minds go once the right wing approach fails again. I'm not saying Trump should be treated as an ally or a normal leader, just that I find the political landscape is slowly switching from left v. right to up v. down. At least, I hope. I feel this as someone who was a staunch Hillary voter in 2016. ย Maybe it's giving too much credit to Americans or maybe it's copium, but may main takeaway from this unfortunate election is that most people maybe don't want abortion rights, gay marriage, immigration to necessarily go away but are willing to deprioritize those things to feed their families and were willing to welcome a different kind of admin to make that happen, even if they were dumb enough to Trump would actually deliever that. ย People vote depending on what impacts their immediate environments, so obviously they're not going to prioritize bigger-picture longer-term policies that make up a core of the Democratic agenda over serious problems like income inequality (even if part of the Dem agenda, too ). They've yet to realize it's Republicans/Conservatives that are going to continue hand feeding capitalism and all the problems impacting their immediate lives. They got hoodwinked. ย Liberals are well-intended people with hearts but the "coastal elite" joke became a real thing. Many liberals and left-wings folks are struggling just as much as conservatives BUT many of them are also economically-wealthy people so its no surprise how some Americans became disinterested in voting for what they perceived as THE elite agenda. (Hence, these Americans got hoodwinked by the actual elites.) ย Don't get me wrong, I f****** hate Republicans and conservatives to this day for their ugly beliefs, but we (unfortunately) share an economic struggle together and it might be the only thing left we can unite around to push back against this kleptocracy. 1 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted Tuesday at 05:52 PM ATRL Moderator Posted Tuesday at 05:52 PM 2 minutes ago, Aden said: People vote depending on what impacts their immediate environments, so obviously they're not going to prioritize bigger-picture longer-term policies that make up a core of the Democratic agenda over serious problems like income inequality (even if part of the Dem agenda, too ). They've yet to realize it's Republicans/Conservatives that are going to continue hand feeding capitalism and all the problems impacting their immediate lives. They got hoodwinked. This is a minor comment, but the "bigger picture" rhetoric from the Democratic Party is easy to understand why it's a failed strategy. People want change. I've seen so many Democratic commentators defending Biden's legacy say, "Well, his domestic policy is going to benefit us so much in the decades to come..." That... isn't compelling. Why should it take decades to see the fruits of a policy when people are struggling right now? People want short-term change and immediate action. Lower drug prices. Raise the minimum wage. Nationalize healthcare. Do things that affect people's day-to-day lives so people can visibly and materially see the change in action and canย likeย it. That way they don't have to rely on trusting some complex figure in an Atlantic article about the economy, they can just know the economy is better based on their own experiences and observations.ย ย Democrats have this tendency to speak in the "big picture" because it means they don't have to push for change that combats their corporate donors. But, the partisan liberal voters that defend them need to realize rallying behind this type of policy is bound to fail. We need immediate solutions and that's how policy should always be assessed. We can (and should) also address long-term projects, but they cannot be the end-all, be-all approach to reform. 6
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted Tuesday at 05:55 PM ATRL Moderator Posted Tuesday at 05:55 PM 46 minutes ago, XDNA said: Yep, and they will rewrite history. I even recall many online leftists stanning Biden in 2016 and saying he should've ran instead or run in 2020.ย As someone who was an ardent Hillary 2016 supporter... literally no Leftist said this. ย ย The closest I can recall is Cenk Uyger (lol) saying it should have been Biden instead of Hillary after his convention speech, but he still wanted Bernie (with Warren being his next best preference after Bernie).
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