Mike91 Posted Tuesday at 07:09 AM Posted Tuesday at 07:09 AM 2 hours ago, Bamboo said: I feel very very very pessimistic about the future of the Democratic Party. I know it's probably not a very historically informed take since my first election was 2016 so I don't think I have good context of a political party coming back from its lowest but…feeling very bad and anxious about the future. It's happened quite a few times in history where a party is at its lowest and bounces back in the next election. It doesn't happen automatically though. There's a lot of factors that go into it like the mood of the country, state of the economy, how charasmatic the candidate is, etc. Trump didn't win by as large of an amount as people initially thought so I don't think it's fair to say that the left stands no chance going forward because there's still pretty much a 50/50 divide. A big advantage the left has is that Trump can't run again in 2028 (at least for now ) and Vance isn't exactly an inspiring candidate. With that said, the country does not **** with the democratic party establishment as it is, so doing nothing like they did after 2016 is a recipe for further disaster. Continuing to elevate people like Pelosi, the Clinton's, even Obama at this point, is the worst thing they can do. Instead of protesting Trump this time around, dems need to learn a lesson from the Tea Party after what happened in 2008. 6 3
Marianah Adkins Posted Tuesday at 07:30 AM Posted Tuesday at 07:30 AM The 33% polling is just pathetic but there's always a way out. I'm reading Reaganland by Rick Perlstein and when Carter barely won in 1976, the GOP only had 18% support of the GP. 4 years later, we all know how Reagan crushed Carter and revitalized the GOP. Basically the point here is that the Democrats can recover if they actually embrace what they really are as a party, the same way Reagan did for the GOP. Similar to Reagan, use left economic populism to wedge through the voters and allow social liberalism to take a background seat (Reagan basically appealed to independents because he downplayed the fringe religious lunatic supporters during campaign- while allowing them to inflict damage on Carter. 1 2
EnigmaticAndroid Posted Tuesday at 08:20 AM Posted Tuesday at 08:20 AM 4 hours ago, Chemist said: Quote Overall, just 33% of all Americans express a favorable view of the Democratic Party, an all-time low in CNN's polling dating back to 1992. The GOP clocks in a tick higher, with a 36% favorability rating. Four years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, the Democrats' rating stood at 49%, and the Republicans' at 32%. While this is obviously just one poll, this is actually really interesting and kinda points to how I've been feeling about the election. Trump and the GOP made some gains but its not nearly the overwhelming shift people have characterized it as. People have simply lost faith in the Democratic party (for fair reason) and the election was decided by people staying home or saying "f*ck it, sure" because of vibes and empty promises made by Trump. And the national vibe and momentum behind Trump will inevitably swing back if he actually does any of the sh*t he's said he will, because people are ok with Trump in the abstract but won't actually like a lot of the policies coming. Trump acting as if he has a mandate will be bad for the country and Republicans politically, but good for the Dems to rebrand and come back (hopefully as progressive populists ). There's a lot to be gained if we play our cards right. 6
Chemist Posted Tuesday at 11:17 AM Posted Tuesday at 11:17 AM The end of America as the most influential country in the world is near 8
Virgos Groove Posted Tuesday at 11:19 AM Posted Tuesday at 11:19 AM 1 minute ago, Chemist said: The end of America as the most influential country in the world is near 5
anti-bitch Posted Tuesday at 11:54 AM Posted Tuesday at 11:54 AM There's this idea that American people overall shifted right, but that's ignoring all the nonvoters and their opinions. And I think many Trump voters just wanted cheaper food and gasoline, not mass deportations. Either way, this idea of conservatism will be tested in the next years. Do people really want to reverse every bit of social and cultural changes made in the past few decades? Let's see. Frankly, the U.S. infrastructure and service industry could fall apart without Mexican and Latino workers. Good luck trying to make the white kids do dirty work again. 2
Sannie Posted Tuesday at 01:32 PM Posted Tuesday at 01:32 PM 5 hours ago, EnigmaticAndroid said: While this is obviously just one poll, this is actually really interesting and kinda points to how I've been feeling about the election. Trump and the GOP made some gains but its not nearly the overwhelming shift people have characterized it as. People have simply lost faith in the Democratic party (for fair reason) and the election was decided by people staying home or saying "f*ck it, sure" because of vibes and empty promises made by Trump. And the national vibe and momentum behind Trump will inevitably swing back if he actually does any of the sh*t he's said he will, because people are ok with Trump in the abstract but won't actually like a lot of the policies coming. Trump acting as if he has a mandate will be bad for the country and Republicans politically, but good for the Dems to rebrand and come back (hopefully as progressive populists ). There's a lot to be gained if we play our cards right. Tbh, it's just more of the same. The pendulum will continue to swing. So annoying. The only thing that really worries me is how good Trump and his team are at messaging and how easily the media falls in line with that messaging. He can mass deport immigrants in the most inhumane way and still come out smelling like roses because the disinformation that will be pushed will allow him to. There's virtually nothing around to hold him accountable. -- Anyways, everything we liberals said would happen that that the left claimed were "scare tactics to get people to vote for Kamala" happened on day one and now mass deportations start today on day two. If I thought leftists had any ability to feel shame, I'd be like, "I told you so," but they're just as bad at self-reflection as the leaders of the Democratic party. 2
Sannie Posted Tuesday at 01:38 PM Posted Tuesday at 01:38 PM Gotta hand it to his people, they were taking notes. No Democrat would ever have the balls to come in day one swinging like this. America will get what it voted for. 2 1
ClashAndBurn Posted Tuesday at 02:13 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:13 PM 40 minutes ago, Sannie said: Tbh, it's just more of the same. The pendulum will continue to swing. So annoying. The only thing that really worries me is how good Trump and his team are at messaging and how easily the media falls in line with that messaging. He can mass deport immigrants in the most inhumane way and still come out smelling like roses because the disinformation that will be pushed will allow him to. There's virtually nothing around to hold him accountable. -- Anyways, everything we liberals said would happen that that the left claimed were "scare tactics to get people to vote for Kamala" happened on day one and now mass deportations start today on day two. If I thought leftists had any ability to feel shame, I'd be like, "I told you so," but they're just as bad at self-reflection as the leaders of the Democratic party. "The left" voted for that talentless ***** and she still ******* lost. Gonna be so ******* funny when she falls flat on her face again in 2028 like she deserves to 1
on the line Posted Tuesday at 02:39 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:39 PM Not even 24 hours in, and I am 100% confident that I was on the right side of history. Yikes, America.
on the line Posted Tuesday at 02:42 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:42 PM 26 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: "The left" voted for that talentless ***** and she still ******* lost. Gonna be so ******* funny when she falls flat on her face again in 2028 like she deserves to So much hatred in your heart. I see the misogyny coming out today too. Maybe you really would feel more comfortable surrounded by like-minded posters like on Twitter or Fox News forums?
Redstreak Posted Tuesday at 02:43 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:43 PM 17 hours ago, Relampago. said: I sorta agree with this, even though I know it'll be a disastrous 4 years. Something is different than it was in 2016. I find myself having way more in common with Trumpies than I did before. Obviously a lot of them ARE homophobic and ARE racist and ARE sexist, yeah that's true. But really, alot of them are admitting to having the same issues I'm having right now. 2016 felt purely reactionary and like a major grift, 2024.. I don't know. It feels different. I don't even think it's wishful thinking because my expectations are still on the ground, but had Harris won, I feel we'd just be kicking the can down the road. I dunno. This is kinda the cenk uygur way of thinking and it really only serves to launder the right wing unfortunately. Like yeah trumped agree that big pharma is an enemy of the people, but while we go after them for price gouging medicine the right hates them for gay vaccines. We're not even in the same book let alone page 2
on the line Posted Tuesday at 02:44 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:44 PM 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Tbh, it's just more of the same. The pendulum will continue to swing. So annoying. The only thing that really worries me is how good Trump and his team are at messaging and how easily the media falls in line with that messaging. He can mass deport immigrants in the most inhumane way and still come out smelling like roses because the disinformation that will be pushed will allow him to. There's virtually nothing around to hold him accountable. -- Anyways, everything we liberals said would happen that that the left claimed were "scare tactics to get people to vote for Kamala" happened on day one and now mass deportations start today on day two. If I thought leftists had any ability to feel shame, I'd be like, "I told you so," but they're just as bad at self-reflection as the leaders of the Democratic party. Clearly they don't. Many are doubling down, praising Trump, and waving their misogynist flags even louder... So glad I followed my gut and heart and stayed on the right side of history. Unfortunately, many didn't and now here we are today.
Communion Posted Tuesday at 02:47 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:47 PM 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Anyways, everything we liberals said would happen Sister, you claimed Joe Biden was going to easily win re-election and even expand on his 2020 victory. *gestures at everything* Time is a cruel mistress but she is most cruel to the reactionary liberal. 3
Relampago. Posted Tuesday at 02:51 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:51 PM 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Tbh, it's just more of the same. The pendulum will continue to swing. So annoying. The only thing that really worries me is how good Trump and his team are at messaging and how easily the media falls in line with that messaging. He can mass deport immigrants in the most inhumane way and still come out smelling like roses because the disinformation that will be pushed will allow him to. There's virtually nothing around to hold him accountable. -- Anyways, everything we liberals said would happen that that the left claimed were "scare tactics to get people to vote for Kamala" happened on day one and now mass deportations start today on day two. If I thought leftists had any ability to feel shame, I'd be like, "I told you so," but they're just as bad at self-reflection as the leaders of the Democratic party. I just don't think that's true though. I think alot of us were saying "Hey!! Trump is gonna do this so Harris should really do x so she has a better chance to win!" And then many of us voted for her anyways and she brought out Liz Cheney and said Biden was her bestie that she'd never break from so she got trounced. At the end of the day, none of us were on Harris's campaign, so it's not like I'll blame users like you who actually have sympathy for what's going on, but I don't think the lesson here is that leftists actually wanted this to happen in any capacity, but it was sorta inevitable with how Harris ran her campaign. Just off this website alone, it's actually the liberal voters who seem to have the narrative of "well now those poors, Latinos and nasty women are gonna get their comeuppance for letting Trump win! HA!" Meanwhile, leftists are expressing their dismay and sympathies at how this is hurting the communities we wanted to help, but Biden-Harris failed to do so. Yeah, Trump is awful, and the Republican Party is pretty much always awful too, but it's made worse by the fact the "opposition party" is hardly in opposition at all. 6
ClashAndBurn Posted Tuesday at 02:53 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:53 PM 7 minutes ago, on the line said: So much hatred in your heart. I see the misogyny coming out today too. Maybe you really would feel more comfortable surrounded by like-minded posters like on Twitter or Fox News forums? Damn right. I absolutely HATE Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and I wish nothing but the absolute worst for both of them. Not everything you don't like is misogyny, either. But I will continue to call Kamala Harris a stupid, talentless ***** because that's what every Democrat is at this point. Their bench is completely devoid of promise and is only notable for how drenched with the stench of failure they all are.
Communion Posted Tuesday at 02:53 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:53 PM (edited) 15 minutes ago, on the line said: Not even 24 hours in, and I am 100% confident that I was on the right side of history. Yikes, America. 12 minutes ago, on the line said: So much hatred in your heart. I see the misogyny coming out today too. Maybe you really would feel more comfortable surrounded by like-minded posters like on Twitter or Fox News forums? 10 minutes ago, on the line said: Clearly they don't. Many are doubling down, praising Trump, and waving their misogynist flags even louder... So glad I followed my gut and heart and stayed on the right side of history. Unfortunately, many didn't and now here we are today. Did you know the leading cause of homelessness for women is domestic violence? Very interesting to consider the misogyny inherent to the worldview some have that the homeless are not human and must be chewed up and spit out by a prison system because apparently violating and imprisoning battered women with no housing makes more sense than simply housing them. Not sure I would want to hear the nasty things those who hate the homeless would say about women who escape domestic violence and find themselves homeless and end up using drugs to cope. Can't imagine the further dehumanization someone who hates the homeless would have for those with addiction. Edited Tuesday at 02:55 PM by Communion 1 2
Relampago. Posted Tuesday at 02:56 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:56 PM 8 minutes ago, Redstreak said: This is kinda the cenk uygur way of thinking and it really only serves to launder the right wing unfortunately. Like yeah trumped agree that big pharma is an enemy of the people, but while we go after them for price gouging medicine the right hates them for gay vaccines. We're not even in the same book let alone page I'm not even approaching this from a left v. right angle. 2 hours ago, anti-***** said: There's this idea that American people overall shifted right, but that's ignoring all the nonvoters and their opinions. And I think many Trump voters just wanted cheaper food and gasoline, not mass deportations. Either way, this idea of conservatism will be tested in the next years. Do people really want to reverse every bit of social and cultural changes made in the past few decades? Let's see. Frankly, the U.S. infrastructure and service industry could fall apart without Mexican and Latino workers. Good luck trying to make the white kids do dirty work again. This is basically my whole point. In 2016, there was still economic strain, but since 2020 its worsened so much. Much of what I was hearing in 2016 was definitely based in a culture war on LGBTQ, BIPOC, etc. while in 2024, a lot of that conversation has faded and most people are just desperate to increase their quality of life again. I know Trump won't help them, so I'm interested to see where their minds go once the right wing approach fails again. I'm not saying Trump should be treated as an ally or a normal leader, just that I find the political landscape is slowly switching from left v. right to up v. down. At least, I hope. 2
on the line Posted Tuesday at 02:56 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:56 PM 1 minute ago, Relampago. said: I just don't think that's true though. I think alot of us were saying "Hey!! Trump is gonna do this so Harris should really do x so she has a better chance to win!" And then many of us voted for her anyways and she brought out Liz Cheney and said Biden was her bestie that she'd never break from so she got trounced. At the end of the day, none of us were on Harris's campaign, so it's not like I'll blame users like you who actually have sympathy for what's going on, but I don't think the lesson here is that leftists actually wanted this to happen in any capacity, but it was sorta inevitable with how Harris ran her campaign. Just off this website alone, it's actually the liberal voters who seem to have the narrative of "well now those poors, Latinos and nasty women are gonna get their comeuppance for letting Trump win! HA!" Meanwhile, leftists are expressing their dismay and sympathies at how this is hurting the communities we wanted to help, but Biden-Harris failed to do so. Yeah, Trump is awful, and the Republican Party is pretty much always awful too, but it's made worse by the fact the "opposition party" is hardly in opposition at all. Gurl, NO. I will not let you re-write ATRL history. It went NOTHING like that. I remember it all too well, unfortunately. 4 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I just don't think that's true though. I think alot of us were saying "Hey!! Trump is gonna do this so Harris should really do x so she has a better chance to win!" And then many of us voted for her anyways and she brought out Liz Cheney and said Biden was her bestie that she'd never break from so she got trounced. At the end of the day, none of us were on Harris's campaign, so it's not like I'll blame users like you who actually have sympathy for what's going on, but I don't think the lesson here is that leftists actually wanted this to happen in any capacity, but it was sorta inevitable with how Harris ran her campaign. Just off this website alone, it's actually the liberal voters who seem to have the narrative of "well now those poors, Latinos and nasty women are gonna get their comeuppance for letting Trump win! HA!" Meanwhile, leftists are expressing their dismay and sympathies at how this is hurting the communities we wanted to help, but Biden-Harris failed to do so. Yeah, Trump is awful, and the Republican Party is pretty much always awful too, but it's made worse by the fact the "opposition party" is hardly in opposition at all. Also, NO. WTF... it's literally been the exact opposite... what ******* twilight zone are we in right now?!
Gottasadae Posted Tuesday at 02:57 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:57 PM 7 minutes ago, Communion said: Sister, you claimed Joe Biden was going to easily win re-election and even expand on his 2020 victory. *gestures at everything* Time is a cruel mistress but she is most cruel to the reactionary liberal. If Biden had stayed in the race, he would have likely lost, but at least not as disgracefully as Kamala, who lost all the swing states 1 1
on the line Posted Tuesday at 02:58 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:58 PM 4 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Damn right. I absolutely HATE Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and I wish nothing but the absolute worst for both of them. Not everything you don't like is misogyny, either. But I will continue to call Kamala Harris a stupid, talentless ***** because that's what every Democrat is at this point. Their bench is completely devoid of promise and is only notable for how drenched with the stench of failure they all are. How fulfilling for you.
Princess Aurora Posted Tuesday at 03:02 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:02 PM 11 hours ago, Fleahive said: I can definitely see the lightbulb of his middle class and lower class supporters turning on at some point this year. I don't think this presidency will last long. Just my gut feeling. But not in a "lets become democrats!" way. I imagine the start of a revolution and uprising of a new party and/or a universally respected republican. Same here. Give it six months and it's gonna tank harder than last time.
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