news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[FameFatale]

10 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

 

I've BEEN saying this!!!! And two liberal Gen Z guys doing tiktok live debates is NOT outreach. Notice how democrats basically stopped and is hiding away post November 5th. Meanwhile Charlie Kirk/TPUSA is pounding campuses, doing rallies, hosting conventions back to back. Trump won the Gen Z vote because of this outreach. He was going on college campuses to debate and those videos would get millions of views on tiktok which had those same viewers dig deeper into politics (and half of it misinformation) and here we where we are now. 

[ClashAndBurn]

11 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

I've BEEN saying this!!!! And two liberal Gen Z guys doing tiktok live debates is NOT outreach. Notice how democrats basically stopped and is hiding away post November 5th. Meanwhile Charlie Kirk/TPUSA is pounding campuses, doing rallies, hosting conventions back to back. Trump won the Gen Z vote because of this outreach. He was going on college campuses to debate and those videos would get millions of views on tiktok which had those same viewers dig deeper into politics (and half of it misinformation) and here we where we are now. 

The Democrats are cashing out now because they know there's no future for their brand of politics, and they're going out of their way to block any and all attempts at rebranding. This is never changing until the Democrats die out the way the Whigs did after years (possibly decades) of being a permanent minority party.

 

The reason Bernie was so liked was because he wasn't a Democrat, and they fundamentally don't understand that they are rightfully hated for a reason. Loyal black religious conservative voters in South Carolina put loyalty to the establishment above everything else that matters, which is how we ended up with Joe Biden, the most worthless possible institutionalist President we could have ended up with.

[ClashAndBurn]

 

[VOSS]

 

[Vermillion]

 

[Vermillion]

 

[Vermillion]

 

[Vermillion]

 

[ClashAndBurn]

SUFFER, you big fat giant LOSER  

 

Joe Biden has been a party-killing DISASTER, and it's the fault of disgusting piles of **** like you.  

[Vermillion]

 

[FameFatale]

Going to be a long 4 years 

 

 

[Relampago.]

I genuinely feel the outreach conversation is a bit overblown.

 

I don't think people's politics are determined by outreach alone. Charlie Kirk and the like are just capitalizing on a general sentiment that's been brewing. They didn't create this movement, they're riding it. 

 

If Trump/Republican power continues to fail, people will look to blame them and left wingers will capitalize on that movement just like they did in the late 00s and 10s. 

 

And the pendulum continues to swing..

[Vermillion]

 

[Vermillion]

 

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I genuinely feel the outreach conversation is a bit overblown.

 

I don't think people's politics are determined by outreach alone. Charlie Kirk and the like are just capitalizing on a general sentiment that's been brewing. They didn't create this movement, they're riding it. 

 

If Trump/Republican power continues to fail, people will look to blame them and left wingers will capitalize on that movement just like they did in the late 00s and 10s. 

 

And the pendulum continues to swing..

You're expecting the pendulum to just keep swinging back and forth when the democrats are making it very clear that they do not want to win. They do not want the responsibility of governing. Governing and actually having responsibility is too hard. They just want to comfortably fundraise from being in a permanent minority and never have to be accountable to a single expectation from their base ever again.

 

They thought they could coast by on resistance liberalism and that turned out to be a total failure.

 

And at this point, they're permanently locked out of even having a simple majority in the Senate. Focusing resources on unicorns like Amy McGrath, Tim Ryan and Val "OFFICER DOWN!" Demings when Cheri Beasley and Mandela Barnes could have made better use of the resources is proof of how much they SUCK. 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

I need some of y'all to do a little less on the crazed Democrat dooming. This isn't a judgement of the party or its politics, but the response is pretty out of proportion when you have users here claiming that the party will cease to exist because of this election.

 

There are lots of worrying trends here to be sure, but Democrats gained in the house, did okay in the senate races, and will end up losing the popular vote for the presidency by one of the tightest margins in history. You didn't see people making these outlandish claims about Republicans when they lost in 2008, 2012, and 2020. Republicans basically ran on the 2016 and 2020 playbook again this time (even with the exact same candidate) and won. Voter sentiment is a strange and abstract thing that is affected by things both within and outside partisan control. 

 

Politics are a pendulum. Worldwide, we have just experienced one of the biggest turnovers of incumbent power in history. The Democrats actually held onto power more effectively than many incumbent parties around the world. 

 

I don't mean to downplay the places that the party needs to improve or the uniquely modern problems created from social media and misinformation and lack of exposure to high quality news, but this was a tight election that was always the Democrats' to lose. The Harris campaign only existed for ~3 months. As usual everyone (myself included) has been quick to blame what we personally think is the problem with the modern Democratic party, but the data doesn't actually suggest a crazy wipe out. Could the party be careening towards that? Sure, but it'll take more elections/data to make that determination. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:38 PM by DevilsRollTheDice

[Vermillion]

 

[Bears01]

5 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

I need some of y'all to do a little less on the crazed Democrat dooming. This isn't a judgement of the party or its politics, but the response is pretty out of proportion when you have users here claiming that the party will cease to exist because of this election.

 

There are lots of worrying trends here to be sure, but Democrats gained in the house, did okay in the senate races, and will end up losing the popular vote for the presidency by one of the tightest margins in history. You didn't see people making these outlandish claims about Republicans when they lost in 2008, 2012, and 2020. Republicans basically ran on the 2016 and 2020 playbook again this time (even with the exact same candidate) and won. Voter sentiment is a strange and abstract thing that is affected by things both within and outside partisan control. 

 

Politics are a pendulum. Worldwide, we have just experienced one of the biggest turnovers of incumbent power in history. The Democrats actually held onto power more effectively than many incumbent parties around the world. 

 

I don't mean to downplay the places that the party needs to improve or the uniquely modern problems created from social media and misinformation and lack of exposure to high quality news, but this was a tight election that was always the Democrats' to lose. The Harris campaign only existed for ~3 months. As usual everyone (myself included) has been quick to blame what we personally think is the problem with the modern Democratic party, but the data doesn't actually suggest a crazy wipe out. Could the party be careening towards that? Sure, but it'll take more elections/data to make that determination. 

Democrats (on paper) are in better shape now than they were after 2016. 
 

But after 2016, they came out swinging. They were angry. They nominated good candidates. They actually showed signs of life and willing to fight. 
 

Now? They're putting a 74 year old with cancer, over a 35 year old household name on a key committee that's supposed to hold republicans and trump accountable. They're at serious risk of losing the NY governor mansion in 2026. They're still clinging to the old guard, who the American people have been rejecting. 
 

They lost in every demographic that mattered, and their response so far has shown they haven't learned anything. They keep trying to be diet republicans 

[Relampago.]

11 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

You're expecting the pendulum to just keep swinging back and forth when the democrats are making it very clear that they do not want to win. They do not want the responsibility of governing. Governing and actually having responsibility is too hard. They just want to comfortably fundraise from being in a permanent minority and never have to be accountable to a single expectation from their base ever again.

 

They thought they could coast by on resistance liberalism and that turned out to be a total failure.

 

And at this point, they're permanently locked out of even having a simple majority in the Senate. Focusing resources on unicorns like Amy McGrath, Tim Ryan and Val "OFFICER DOWN!" Demings when Cheri Beasley and Mandela Barnes could have made better use of the resources is proof of how much they SUCK. 

I feel like every response you have to my posts reads as though you think my posts are a defense of Democrats or me trying to justify them continuing business as is, which isn't my intention. 

 

I do believe the pendulum will swing back, simply because that is the natural order of things. Maybe the US will just keep continuing to move right, sure, but probably not. I'm not even saying that it'll swing back by 2028 or 2032. It probably won't until the late 2030s at the earliest. 

 

But regardless of whether dems NOW want to govern or not, there are people who will replace the ghouls currently in office, for better or for worse, who will want to govern. 

 

Republicans can want to take the rights of people away all the want— that's not putting food on the table or money in people's wallets. As incompetent as Dems can be, Republicans have ****ed us over in their last 3 presidencies, and I see no reason why that'll be any different this time.

 

Yeah, people do hate Democrats. But Republicans will **** everything up again, with the only thing they get accomplished being removing more civil rights, and then people will run back to the Dems as always, where Dems will **** things up with their inaction, so they'll run back to the radical Republicans, etc etc. 

 

Unless someone breaks the pendulum with a strong 3rd party or anti-establishment movement, the pendulum will always swing because both parties are incompetent in their own way. Or maybe Trump will be a 4 term president and be the next coming of FDR in success and favorability and Republicans will rule forever. But again, probably not.

[XDNA]

50 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

 

But keep fighting with Disney instead of fixing the crumbling infrastructure in the state...

[ClashAndBurn]

13 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I feel like every response you have to my posts reads as though you think my posts are a defense of Democrats or me trying to justify them continuing business as is, which isn't my intention. 

 

I do believe the pendulum will swing back, simply because that is the natural order of things. Maybe the US will just keep continuing to move right, sure, but probably not. I'm not even saying that it'll swing back by 2028 or 2032. It probably won't until the late 2030s at the earliest. 

 

But regardless of whether dems NOW want to govern or not, there are people who will replace the ghouls currently in office, for better or for worse, who will want to govern. 

 

Republicans can want to take the rights of people away all the want— that's not putting food on the table or money in people's wallets. As incompetent as Dems can be, Republicans have ****ed us over in their last 3 presidencies, and I see no reason why that'll be any different this time.

 

Yeah, people do hate Democrats. But Republicans will **** everything up again, with the only thing they get accomplished being removing more civil rights, and then people will run back to the Dems as always, where Dems will **** things up with their inaction, so they'll run back to the radical Republicans, etc etc. 

 

Unless someone breaks the pendulum with a strong 3rd party or anti-establishment movement, the pendulum will always swing because both parties are incompetent in their own way. Or maybe Trump will be a 4 term president and be the next coming of FDR in success and favorability and Republicans will rule forever. But again, probably not.

It comes off somewhat as a defense of the current strategy anyway, whether you intend it to or not. That they don't need to change anything because the pendulum will just swing back to them naturally. That undoubtedly means they WILL not change anything in the future, except to become even more the party of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger like they have been doing.

 

And frankly? I won't be surprised if not only do they nominate Shapiro in 2028, but he names Liz Cheney as his running mate for a unity ticket. I genuinely do feel like that's the direction we're heading. And everyone here that's saying they're done with the Democrats will still come home anyway and surrender to Vote Blue No Matter Who like we have always done. The pendulum could swing and give him four years, but I think that's the last time we can reasonably expect Democrats to have even a decent chance at winning the presidency.

Once reapportionment happens in 2030, the blue wall strategy is effectively dead because Dems will REQUIRE one or two Sun Belt states in addition to every single Rust Belt state. And given how those states have been trending to be like Ohio, I don't think that's possible with them. Especially with them rejecting the youth vote by nominating Josh Shapiro/Liz Cheney. Even more especially with the promotion of a 74-year old esophageal cancer patient over AOC as a very current warning sign as opposed to a hypothetical one.

 

Republicans winning every swing state AND the popular vote, with Trump being more popular than ever before is a VERY bad sign. I think we're moving beyond a state where the pendulum will just come back to our side eventually. I think the Democrats have squandered too much valuable time on elevating politicians' vanity projects of entitlement. First Hillary's 2016 run for president, and Biden's botched second run this year. Both of these happening together have brought us to a point of no return. If it had just been Hillary, but not Biden being selfish as well, we could have recovered. But now we will suffer permanent loss due to the hubris of both.

[ClashAndBurn]

49 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

I need some of y'all to do a little less on the crazed Democrat dooming. This isn't a judgement of the party or its politics, but the response is pretty out of proportion when you have users here claiming that the party will cease to exist because of this election.

 

There are lots of worrying trends here to be sure, but Democrats gained in the house, did okay in the senate races, and will end up losing the popular vote for the presidency by one of the tightest margins in history. You didn't see people making these outlandish claims about Republicans when they lost in 2008, 2012, and 2020. Republicans basically ran on the 2016 and 2020 playbook again this time (even with the exact same candidate) and won. Voter sentiment is a strange and abstract thing that is affected by things both within and outside partisan control. 

 

Politics are a pendulum. Worldwide, we have just experienced one of the biggest turnovers of incumbent power in history. The Democrats actually held onto power more effectively than many incumbent parties around the world. 

 

I don't mean to downplay the places that the party needs to improve or the uniquely modern problems created from social media and misinformation and lack of exposure to high quality news, but this was a tight election that was always the Democrats' to lose. The Harris campaign only existed for ~3 months. As usual everyone (myself included) has been quick to blame what we personally think is the problem with the modern Democratic party, but the data doesn't actually suggest a crazy wipe out. Could the party be careening towards that? Sure, but it'll take more elections/data to make that determination. 

Lol, **** no. After yesterday, I think everyone has reserved the right to doom. The Democrats have plainly received the message that what they're doing is not working, and they've decided to double down. 
 

Republicans could get away with running the same playbook as they did before because their loss was an accident of history, and they've decided would have destroyed Sleepy Joe/Basement Biden if COVID hadn't happened. The Democrats would have then been running a literal Republican like Charlie Crist or someone like him against Mike Pence, and probably would have lost.

 

You have too much faith in a party that not only refuses to learn, but revels in its profound ability to not do so. The Russiagate nonsense has been a complete failure, and yet it's completely guided every aspect of their political ideology for eight years now. Resistance libs are still holding onto the hopes that maybe Rachel Maddow will deliver a smoking gun report that will finally be the thing that vanquishes Trump once and for all so they can sleep peacefully with dreams of dead Palestinian children getting blown to pieces by our righteous Israeli allies while they're blissfully at brunch

[FameFatale]

 

[Armani?]

Not bad tbh, I was expecting slightly worse So Miami is truly where every Democrat succumbs lol

 

 

[Armani?]

Well...