Relampago. Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said: My brother, the race wasn't even close, and even CPC members broke ranks to back Pelosi's candidate of choice. "Making inroads" with the party that hates her more than even Republicans do has gotten her absolutely nothing. Clearly. But that's not a good thing or something to laugh about? Like if AOC's goal was to make inroads and it totally failed, what's the move now? That's my main issue— sure we can say: "See! AOC trying to make nice with the establishment Dems will NEVER work!" but what do we learn from that? One, I'm not fully convinced that just because AOC got fully rejected from the Oversight Committee that it means her attempts to make inroads is a failure. She's still second, only to Bernie, as the most well known progressive in the US, her platform is still in tact and her connections likely help her with that too by being more palatable to moderate dem/liberal dem/moderate republican voters in her district. Two, her other option is to be totally uncompromising and reject the Dems from within the party— and we saw how that affected Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. I'm even a bit concerned for Omar and Tlaib in the future. I suppose these Squad members and Justice Dems can break away and try to form their own party, but I can't see how that would result in any meaningful wins either. I know the people pointing out AOC's failure here aren't just trying to be bad faith actors who will laugh at anyone that even tries to make nice with establishment Dems, but it does beg the question of what they *should have* done because constantly shaking the table in Congress and making enemies of more powerful allies just.. doesn't seem smart overall to me. AOC + other Squad members are still seen as anti-establishment, whether or they actually are is a different story. But to the average voter, they are seen as something different than just a regular Dem, so in that sense I feel AOC has done a great job of representing a different voice, even if I don't fully agree with her methods of doing so. So from her perspective, I feel like it makes sense to try and find something in common and play nice with Mama Bear Pelosi, even if it doesn't sit right with the more rebellious part of my brain who wants to see the Democratic Party collapse entirely. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Clearly. But that's not a good thing or something to laugh about? Like if AOC's goal was to make inroads and it totally failed, what's the move now? That's my main issue— sure we can say: "See! AOC trying to make nice with the establishment Dems will NEVER work!" but what do we learn from that? One, I'm not fully convinced that just because AOC got fully rejected from the Oversight Committee that it means her attempts to make inroads is a failure. She's still second, only to Bernie, as the most well known progressive in the US, her platform is still in tact and her connections likely help her with that too by being more palatable to moderate dem/liberal dem/moderate republican voters in her district. Two, her other option is to be totally uncompromising and reject the Dems from within the party— and we saw how that affected Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. I'm even a bit concerned for Omar and Tlaib in the future. I suppose these Squad members and Justice Dems can break away and try to form their own party, but I can't see how that would result in any meaningful wins either. I know the people pointing out AOC's failure here aren't just trying to be bad faith actors who will laugh at anyone that even tries to make nice with establishment Dems, but it does beg the question of what they *should have* done because constantly shaking the table in Congress and making enemies of more powerful allies just.. doesn't seem smart overall to me. AOC + other Squad members are still seen as anti-establishment, whether or they actually are is a different story. But to the average voter, they are seen as something different than just a regular Dem, so in that sense I feel AOC has done a great job of representing a different voice, even if I don't fully agree with her methods of doing so. So from her perspective, I feel like it makes sense to try and find something in common and play nice with Mama Bear Pelosi, even if it doesn't sit right with the more rebellious part of my brain who wants to see the Democratic Party collapse entirely. At this point, AOC's congressional district will be one of the 3 that gets axed by NY Dems when reapportionment takes place in 2030. By the time Connelly drops dead choking on the cancer cells in his throat and it's "her turn," she won't even be in Congress anymore. She sucked up to Pelosi, called her Mama Bear, and has been entirely rejected by her own party. She and Bernie stood firmly behind Joe Biden as the entire rest of the party was throwing him under the bus. She lied to progressives on prime time tv and swore up and down that Kamala was working tirelessly for a ceasefire. There's no coming back from this. She's done. Her path of appeasement of moderates has gotten her nothing, and now they know she's a sniveling weakling. Democrats don't see AOC as a rising star to embrace. They see her as an embarrassment that they need to flee from at all costs 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Oh, I think they realize that perfectly fine. They just openly hate their voters and want them to go away.
anti-bitch Posted 35 minutes ago Posted 35 minutes ago 55 minutes ago, Armani? said: Would be interesting to know how much church-going has dropped in the same time frame, because the only logical reason to oppose same-sex marriage people had was that what the Bible says about it. And I mean, "logical" for those who believe in it.
Cruel Summer Posted 23 minutes ago Posted 23 minutes ago Trump suing Selzer and the Des Moines Register in a brazen act of media suppression and undermining knowledge-based professions, Trump talking about the privatization of the USPS, another school shooting making headlines as conservatives falsely claim the perpetrator to be transgender, and Luigi Mangione being charged as a terrorist. It's somewhat quietly been a very dark day for America, hasn't it? Edit: and the AOC thing too. We're doomed, aren't we?
CandyCoatedClouds Posted 19 minutes ago Posted 19 minutes ago I hate the democratic party so bad right now. A 74 year old with throat cancer that no one's ever heard of over a healthy 35 year old who's actually popular with the people. Unbelievable.
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