Relampago. Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago (edited) The thing I keep thinking about is whether Gen Z will continue down the conservative path and become loyal Republican voters. If so, yikes. But I doubt it. Republicans will throw us into another recession and the youth will become disaffected again and swing back to the other direction. Unfortunately, this just means the Dems don't have to change their strategy at all. They can continue to run on the better option as the amnesia of the Biden years sets in. Edited 14 hours ago by Relampago. 1
Bears01 Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Wouldn't the constitutional amendment that passed already have nipped this in the butt? Someone have any answers for me?
Armani? Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, Relampago. said: The thing I keep thinking about is whether Gen Z will continue down the conservative path and become loyal Republican voters. If so, yikes. But I doubt it. Republicans will throw us into another recession and the youth will become disaffected again and swing back to the other direction. Unfortunately, this just means the Dems don't have to change their strategy at all. They can continue to run on the better option as the amnesia of the Biden years sets in. AP Votecast is annoying me with their data because it's extremely contradicting to the exit poll & also doesnt make sense, but if the exit poll #s are true when Pew Research releases, the swing is mostly from Hispanic Gen Z swinging hard to the right. Gen Z Hispanic Men really went from 60% Biden to 54% Trump Gen Z Black voters shifted to the right also, but slightly less than half as much. Gen Z Black Men from 83% Biden to 77% Kamala. 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 29 minutes ago, Relampago. said: The thing I keep thinking about is whether Gen Z will continue down the conservative path and become loyal Republican voters. If so, yikes. But I doubt it. Republicans will throw us into another recession and the youth will become disaffected again and swing back to the other direction. Unfortunately, this just means the Dems don't have to change their strategy at all. They can continue to run on the better option as the amnesia of the Biden years sets in. The previous recession didn't have podcasters with loyal followings telling their listeners that actually, the problems with the economy were caused by the Democrats not fully cooperating with Republicans and obstructing the will of the people. Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate just weren't really a thing back then. I think Republicans will end up escaping much of the political accountability that they would otherwise face due to that alone. Furthermore, Biden has done A LOT of damage to the Democratic Party's brand, even moreso than Obama, and I think it'll be a while before it really sets in just how much. Democrats have gone from being a party of educated elites to a cabal of genocidal elitist freaks in just four years. That alienates a lot more than the "white trailer trash" they've turned their noses up at since Hillary lost. Edited 13 hours ago by ClashAndBurn 1 1
Mike91 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago I think people are massively overreacting to the election results from a future outlook perspective (at least in regards to certain voters political views). The American people are simply unhappy with the way things are and are becoming increasingly reactionary. The only reason dems are ****** is because of their unwillingness to change. However, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Bernie came out of nowhere in 2016 and something like that could very well happen again with a different result this time. Every election is different and impossible to predict. 5
ClashAndBurn Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Mike91 said: I think people are massively overreacting to the election results from a future outlook perspective (at least in regards to certain voters political views). The American people are simply unhappy with the way things are and are becoming increasingly reactionary. The only reason dems are ****** is because of their unwillingness to change. However, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Bernie came out of nowhere in 2016 and something like that could very well happen again with a different result this time. Every election is different and impossible to predict. This election was pretty easy to predict actually. Only the ones with Democrat Brain couldn't foresee the obvious result that was right in front of their faces. I literally said Trump was poised to win the popular vote due to Joe Biden's deep unpopularity. I was ridiculed in this very thread and told that was the dumbest thing ever written. Turns out, I was right actually! And in the end, the Democrats will refuse to course-correct. I feel extremely confident in that prediction. Especially seeing as one of their most trusted talking heads is literally a former chair of the RNC 1
Armani? Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 37 minutes ago, Mike91 said: I think people are massively overreacting to the election results from a future outlook perspective (at least in regards to certain voters political views). The American people are simply unhappy with the way things are and are becoming increasingly reactionary. The only reason dems are ****** is because of their unwillingness to change. However, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Bernie came out of nowhere in 2016 and something like that could very well happen again with a different result this time. Every election is different and impossible to predict. They're talking about dominating the "moderate" vote in podcasts so I'm not particularly optimistic on their campaign strategy changing. Expect more right wing populist vs the moderate.
ClashAndBurn Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Armani? said: They're talking about dominating the "moderate" vote in podcasts so I'm not particularly optimistic on their campaign strategy changing. Expect more right wing populist vs the moderate. Democrats purposely fail to understand that elections aren't about winning over moderates. It's about the class war, which they've decided they'd rather fight and lose the culture war instead of making an effort that would risk alienating their preferred affluent base. They want to be a permanent minority party that caters to households making $100k per year. They have nothing but utter disdain and disgust for working class people. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Maybe this point would be better served by… someone who wasn't the brother of Andrew Cuomo 1
Relampago. Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, Mike91 said: I think people are massively overreacting to the election results from a future outlook perspective (at least in regards to certain voters political views). The American people are simply unhappy with the way things are and are becoming increasingly reactionary. The only reason dems are ****** is because of their unwillingness to change. However, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Bernie came out of nowhere in 2016 and something like that could very well happen again with a different result this time. Every election is different and impossible to predict. In a way though, this is the problem isn't it? Love Bernie to death, but had he run this election I'm not convinced even he could have won (although it would have been closer imo). The American people decided once they had to pay $4.50 for gas in 2022, they wanted Trump back. It only got worse with the vibecession really taking off after that. Now, obviously this wasn't *solely* the Biden-Harris admin's fault but the American public is so reactionary now, I can't imagine how we make any progress. It's like people don't even listen to ideas or policy or slogans or platitudes anymore. They look around, feel bad, then vote one direction without any care for what their vote means or why they're voting that way. When (young) people who don't go to the doctor very often say: "Why am I paying SO much in taxes?!" without a dire need for M4A, then they fly to the Republicans again in hopes of tax cuts, what then? When the US cuts military spending and China pops off of Taiwan and the country says "SEE! This is why we need to spend MORE on the military!", what then? When there's a moratorium placed on deportations until the US asylum system is repaired, but then a singular MS-13 member is arrested for assaulting a person in California, and we get another outcry from people who live nowhere near the border, what then? I do agree, a lot of these are probably just overreacting and none of these are good reasons to not try to enact these policies obviously, but Americans becoming increasingly reactionary doesn't seem like a great thing that'll swing the pendulum in our favor. Especially not to us queer folk, nor POCs. Maybe the pendulum will swing back faster, I agree, but we may not even get to enjoy the fruits of that swing if we have to continually spend every 4 years repairing the damage done by the prior administration/undoing any progress either of them make. I truly believe at my core that the only way to solve this is to get Americans, especially men, going back to college and providing opportunities for them to do so, while also emphasizing the importance of getting a secondary education. Whoever runs in 2028 in the Democratic primary needs to hammer this point home. I would go so far as to say it's more important than M4A, but I don't care to rank importance when we can absolutely have both, but that just shows how dire the situation is. 1
Bears01 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 4 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: The previous recession didn't have podcasters with loyal followings telling their listeners that actually, the problems with the economy were caused by the Democrats not fully cooperating with Republicans and obstructing the will of the people. Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate just weren't really a thing back then. I think Republicans will end up escaping much of the political accountability that they would otherwise face due to that alone. Furthermore, Biden has done A LOT of damage to the Democratic Party's brand, even moreso than Obama, and I think it'll be a while before it really sets in just how much. Democrats have gone from being a party of educated elites to a cabal of genocidal elitist freaks in just four years. That alienates a lot more than the "white trailer trash" they've turned their noses up at since Hillary lost. You've made several good points in your last several comments (especially about democrats and their disdain for working class people). But I'm in disagreement that if the economy collapses, in say, 2026/27, there's no messaging out of that by republicans. I do agree, the American public is hella reactionary. Id argue to say that the only reason Trump lost in 2020 was because of the short term effects of the economy because of Covid. And that was literally the most temporary recession in this country's history. Democrats however, already had the perfect storm for that in 2008. Obama is/was one of the most characteristic, inspiring candidates (not presidents, candidates) in this country's history. On top of the economic destruction following bush's 8 year term. There's no Obama level candidate waiting in the wings of the Democratic Party currently, unless someone makes a massive rise in the next 2-3 years 1
Communion Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 4 hours ago, Mike91 said: I think people are massively overreacting to the election results from a future outlook perspective (at least in regards to certain voters political views). The American people are simply unhappy with the way things are and are becoming increasingly reactionary. The only reason dems are ****** is because of their unwillingness to change. However, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Bernie came out of nowhere in 2016 and something like that could very well happen again with a different result this time. Every election is different and impossible to predict. I do think the issue is pop cultural and just that a lot of it is the agony of realizing Dems have fallen themselves into the hole of being culturally reviled. Like the emotional rollercoaster as a millennial Dem-voter of hating George W. Bush's Republican Party and living in a world where they were so rightfully derided as old, stupid, out-of-touch white men sending young people to die in illegal wars and the populate mandate of someone like Obama . And how Trump is now... basically the inverse of that for cultural conservatives. How we're now on the other side of it despite of many of us knowing something was going wrong. I'm less doomerist than the good @ClashAndBurn (all love to them though). My dread is not doomerism but knowing that evil doesn't just die and progressives must continue to be annoying and loud and inconvenient. Just like how MAGA wasn't the first movement to emerge from the ashes of the GOP's 2008 death, many other movements will try to co-opt this moment of embarrassment for their own interests even if they're doomed to keep us losing just like Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan were for the GOP pre-MAGA. Progressives must be to Dems what MAGA came to be for the GOP. 1
Vermillion Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago So Ron's the tacit admission Hegseth's sunk. Just as well….
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