woohoo Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 45 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Maybe the Dems should at least start fighting for this stuff and making it the backbone of their campaigns? Your solution seems to be offering nothing. When you have a brain dead electorate that believes progressivism is socialism you aren't getting very far. I agree, they should push these things with a charismatic younger out of left field candidate. We're still gonna lose because we're surrounded by idiots. Now if Donnie fails the dollar gas and .05 loaf of bread we might be back in business. Nobody will convince me this country has a higher average IQ over 70, and that's being generous. Also, the individualism selfishness is working against us ten fold.
nadiamendell Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, woohoo said: Jesus Christ, I was saying IF they had promised these things. IF. Kamala could have ran her campaign as was or progressively. We are dealing with a fickle reactionary brain dead electorate. Point blank. The point is we will never know because they never did those things, so... 1
woohoo Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 3 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: The point is we will never know because they never did those things, so... I live among rural America. Trust me, these idiots would have turned out even more force if they thought for a second the government was gonna run more of healthcare than they already do. We are dealing with the likes of a brainwashed pod cast drunk group of voters. I tried to explain to people I know complaining about health insurance cost and how MFA drops the monthly premium for a cheaper tax to pay for healthcare by hundreds of dollars you'd have thought I told them they were gonna come take their kids and guns from their homes. Edited 1 hour ago by woohoo
ClashAndBurn Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 10 minutes ago, woohoo said: Jesus Christ, I was saying IF they had promised these things. IF. Kamala could have ran her campaign as was or progressively. We are dealing with a fickle reactionary brain dead electorate. Point blank. She ran a Republican campaign. Period. She never gave voters an alternative to Trumpism. She wanted to run as Diet Trump. Point blank. And that's all Democrats will ever have to offer moving forward. Diet Trumpism. They will never promise anything because they can't deliver on anything. They are feckless and weak. Paid opposition. So yeah... Get used to losing! I wouldn't personally be surprised if the Democrats never won another election ever again. They certainly don't deserve to. Edited 1 hour ago by ClashAndBurn
nadiamendell Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 6 minutes ago, woohoo said: I live among rural America. Trust me, these idiots would have turned out even more force if they thought for a second the government was gonna run more of healthcare than they already do. We are dealing with the likes of a brainwashed pod cast drunk group of voters. I tried to explain to people I know complaining about health insurance cost and how MFA drops the monthly premium for a cheaper tax to pay for healthcare by hundreds of dollars you'd have thought I told them they were gonna come take their kids and guns from their homes. I think the problem is we need an effective messenger and effective messaging to effectively explain these policies in a way that everyday, non-educated people can understand.
teresaguidice Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, Relampago. said: I'm feeling particularly jaded today. I'm realizing now that, yeah, Democrats ran awful campaigns and Harris wasn't a great candidate. But at the same time, I think moving forward this voting base is ****ing dumb as hell. Like, really, really bad. Ever since Trump won, it's been full mask off. A lot of these Trump voters do care about the economy, but they knew he probably wouldn't even be good for it. I've explained the tariffs and tax cuts to people and they all affirm they understand but don't really care because Biden "ruined the economy" and Trump didn't. They don't care. They don't care about facts. They won't suddenly jump on board with progressive policy because they think conservatives have the best ideas for them. Run a progressive campaign and it'll be quickly spun into "socialism scary!!" no matter how many "Progressive candidate is for YOU! These policies are for YOU!" type ads are run. I'm fully on board with these policies, and think we should push for them anyways, but this electorate only wants the worst for them because they're too stupid and worse— too STUBBORN to actually learn about how things work and why paying slightly more in taxes for social programs will help. The Latinos of 2020 who loved Bernie are gone. I am sure of that. That support won't translate to a progressive, anti-establishment candidate. It's too late for that. They're gone. All I can say, and I know people will say "but this affects the least among us the worst!", but I hope Trump leads the US to the disaster he seems to be leading us to. I don't know how else people will learn. Yeah, dems are spineless garbage, but this country is an uneducated hellhole. Harris may not have been a good candidate, but I think it would be hard to argue that she at least cared about people to a certain extent. Conservatives do not, that's probably why so many people in this right-wing country love Trump. Good luck to all of us! I'll be taking solace in the fact that rural areas are going to get knocked around again while I'm losing rights with Bostock and Obergefell getting overturned. outside of true partisans, voters are fickle, inconsistent, illogical, and often reacting to the conditions of the very specific moment in which they're voting. there's a not an insignificant amount of bush > obama > obama/romney > trump > biden > trump voters. the right candidate at the right moment can convince people to vote inconsistently if the vibe hits right. i just obviously don't trust democrats to find and nurture that candidate because they probably think that candidate is pete buttigieg or gavin newsom and they're already convincing themselves that kamala almost won, but the dynamics of today definitely aren't as hardened as they seem imo. 1
woohoo Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 21 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: I think the problem is we need an effective messenger and effective messaging to effectively explain these policies in a way that everyday, non-educated people can understand. I hope it does over better than when I explain policies to people and I dumb them wayyy down. I thought the people I am around with college degrees would be more open and persuadable but inflation bad trump good. Literal zombies.
woohoo Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 31 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: She ran a Republican campaign. Period. She never gave voters an alternative to Trumpism. She wanted to run as Diet Trump. Point blank. And that's all Democrats will ever have to offer moving forward. Diet Trumpism. They will never promise anything because they can't deliver on anything. They are feckless and weak. Paid opposition. So yeah... Get used to losing! I wouldn't personally be surprised if the Democrats never won another election ever again. They certainly don't deserve to. I'm honestly not worried about Dems ever winning again because it's gonna be Russia-esque elections moving forward for the US. But again, I've tried to explain progressive policies to rural people I'm around and nothing gets through to them. Not even the ones with college degrees. Literally dumbing it down doesn't do any good. I'd love nothing more than a progressive president and supermajority progressive congress but we have to accept that the electorate only cares about gas and groceries and their hatred for anyone non white. That's the America we are in. Our only hope is Trump gets bored with it and decides he doesn't wanna rule forever, and somehow this wakes people up to the lies and BS of the republicans and we finally get our **** together and vote people in who are progressive, but I will not hold my breath. 1
XDNA Posted 56 minutes ago Posted 56 minutes ago 5 minutes ago, woohoo said: I'm honestly not worried about Dems ever winning again because it's gonna be Russia-esque elections moving forward for the US. But again, I've tried to explain progressive policies to rural people I'm around and nothing gets through to them. Not even the ones with college degrees. Literally dumbing it down doesn't do any good. I'd love nothing more than a progressive president and supermajority progressive congress but we have to accept that the electorate only cares about gas and groceries and their hatred for anyone non white. That's the America we are in. Our only hope is Trump gets bored with it and decides he doesn't wanna rule forever, and somehow this wakes people up to the lies and BS of the republicans and we finally get our **** together and vote people in who are progressive, but I will not hold my breath. That's where I'm at as well. Like at least 30% of the electorate are confederates with a new hat.
XDNA Posted 48 minutes ago Posted 48 minutes ago 7 hours ago, GhostBox said: I disagree and you can live with it 🤷 I do applaud her 👏🏼 she will make a great GOV if she runs for it in CA. Yeah, I think her experience would make her a great governor.
Armani? Posted 35 minutes ago Posted 35 minutes ago This thread basically turning into let the deplorables suffer until further notice
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted 12 minutes ago ATRL Moderator Posted 12 minutes ago 1 hour ago, woohoo said: I live among rural America. Trust me, these idiots would have turned out even more force if they thought for a second the government was gonna run more of healthcare than they already do. We are dealing with the likes of a brainwashed pod cast drunk group of voters. I tried to explain to people I know complaining about health insurance cost and how MFA drops the monthly premium for a cheaper tax to pay for healthcare by hundreds of dollars you'd have thought I told them they were gonna come take their kids and guns from their homes. I am from rural Kentucky. I know plenty of people here that voted Trump and like Bernie. It is presumptive to assume the Democrats won’t pick up new voters if they ran on good populist policy. Why? Well, it’s never really been done. The last time they did something resembling that was Obama and he won Indiana both times he ran. Surrendering to doomerist thinking isn’t helpful.
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