news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Mellark]

2 hours ago, modeblock said:

Went to a Halloween Party last Saturday here in the RGV. Had several conversations with friends and acquaintances about who they were voting for without making it clear what my stances were, and I can say that out of about 8 people, ages 25-40 all Latinos, only 1 said they were voting for Kamala.

 

The rest said:

1. She reads as fake

2. She hasn't done anything while VP

3. Trump is kicking out the criminals, I'm not a criminal

4. Women should close their legs / use birth control, and if they want an abortion they can go to Mexico

5. Palestine, don't know don't care

6. I want my daughters to be able to use the locker rooms without boys and men infiltrating their spaces

 

The most outspoken Trumpie at the party? A butch white latina lesbian from Cuba who early voted for him 

I hate to say it, but some of my people are really slow and too individualistic 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Wonderland said:

Tbh the biggest KII of the Kari Lake situation is that Trump and the republicans aren't questioning the results of the election.

 

Half of her personality is denying the results and going on a grievance tour and she won't even get to do that dslkvfdkvhkbhf

 

 

Trump Minaj 2028 incoming.

[GraceRandolph]

Why do I feel like Marianne would've done so much better with female voters than Kamala?

 

[GhostBox]

1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said:

Why do I feel like Marianne would've done so much better with female voters than Kamala?

 

Because you're delusional 

[anti-bitch]

2 hours ago, modeblock said:

 

4. Women should close their legs / use birth control, and if they want an abortion they can go to Mexico

5. Palestine, don't know don't care

I was just gonna say that I wish people didn't make broad assumptions about latinos based on the election exit polls, but then I read your post... Lol.

 

But still, the exit polls are not necessarily representative of the what they entire country thinks, because again, 100 million people did not vote at all.

[Wonderland]

2 hours ago, GhostBox said:

Looking at the house projections 220-215 for Rs and then the senate numbers. It could've been a lot worse 💀

I really am surprised to see how close it ended up considering how widespread the republican swing was.

 

Special elections are going to be a massive deal this cycle... If Dems pick up another seat or two then the whole chamber flips 

[Wonderland]

It's quite interesting that Texas (40) and Florida (30) can have 10 electoral college votes difference but they had a very similar number of overall votes cast for Trump and Kamala (11.2M and 10.8M respectively).

 

Then you look at New York (28) and they only had had 7.8M

[GraceRandolph]

 

[anti-bitch]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

I think a lot of my biases are known and I've articulated them probably too much, but even when trying to run through scenarios in my head of what-if's when people ask questions like this... I do genuinely think the issue is that Democrats no longer have clear policies or goals of what they want to do or make part of their brand.

 

Like even on the idea of reaching young men. Rogan is not a political podcast. Most young men's interests are not political. The right infiltrated these spaces and work their way into dominating them, but it's never seen as dominating the space. What is there for liberal young men to push in their spaces? For progressive young men to push in their spaces? Do stars and artists and content creators who appeal to young men but who are progressive even have an agenda they could want to push on them?

 

Like Noah Kahan is a Bernie stan. Can't even have him just normalizing talking about Bernie and M4A at shows cause... centrist Dems effectively banned the idea!

 

Even young women and queer people. What are our pop girls telling us? Our figures? Abortion seemed like an accepted rallying call, but the moment Chappell Roan got political and wanted to talk about issues like trans rights or Gaza and the need to do more, she effectively became ridiculed. What ideas do the left even have to rally around?

 

The right have such a clear and defined idea of who their enemies are and what they claim to want and it then permeates out into all the various lifestyles and content niches they exist in (sports, video games, fitness, health and wellness/crunchytok or whatever). But in the inverse, largely progressive spaces, even largely political ones, don't have this same overt sense of direction and goals. Almost like the left knee-capped themselves 4 years ago on policy cause they defer hero worship to their figureheads and 'sacrifice' for 'the party'.

 

Right-wing spheres just repeat their demands until the GOP (and Dems) accept them as normalized (anti-trans, anti-wokeism, white nationalism).

Left-wing spheres will have deeply desired policies that are popular but ban themselves from talking about them to "help" the party.

 

When's the last time a progressive celebrity talked about how cool everyone having healthcare would be? 

Meanwhile the average conservative celebrity is like "sucks everything is so expensive cause of THEM TRANSGENDERS!!".

We can keep writing these essays about what went wrong, and don't get me wrong,  I think it's healthy, but the Maga platform is so simple that they really don't have to think much when trying to "sell" it to the public. And also the people that it appeals to are perhaps more attracted to simplistic solutions rather than something complex, even if the "complex" solution actually was better for them in the long run.

 

It seems like many people can only understand short sentences, and that's how Obama spoke leading up to his presidency. Regardless of his political choices later, he was able to explain the early 2000s democratic platform to the public pretty well. Just getting a great public speaker, who seems serious, as the next nominee for president would help a lot. Kamala's laughing, although I think it's funny, could have turned enough people off.

[Harrier]

2 hours ago, Jotham said:

Contrapoints' statement about the election is so depressing.

 

 

Shes dooming a bit too hard here as is the good sis' tendency. I am hopeful things will not be as bad as she lays out. I feel bad shes feeling so hopeless tho 

[anti-bitch]

35 minutes ago, Wonderland said:

It's quite interesting that Texas (40) and Florida (30) can have 10 electoral college votes difference but they had a very similar number of overall votes cast for Trump and Kamala (11.2M and 10.8M respectively).

 

Then you look at New York (28) and they only had had 7.8M

New York's turnout must be incredibly low. 

Also California's turnout is lower than in 2020, so these things could explain how K lost the popular vote, although she's catching up a bit and could end up with 72/73 million votes. California counts votes insanely slowly.

Edited Sunday at 08:16 AM by anti-bitch

[GraceRandolph]

13 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

We can keep writing these essays about what went wrong, and don't get me wrong,  I think it's healthy, but the Maga platform is so simple that they really don't have to think much when trying to "sell" it to the public. And also the people that it appeals to are perhaps more attracted to simplistic solutions rather than something complex, even if the "complex" solution actually was better for them in the long run.

 

It seems like many people can only understand short sentences, and that's how Obama spoke leading up to his presidency. Regardless of his political choices later, he was able to explain the early 2000s democratic platform to the public pretty well. Just getting a great public speaker, who seems serious, as the next nominee for president would help a lot. Kamala's laughing, although I think it's funny, could have turned enough people off.

Don't you think more complex plans might appeal to the Dem base though? Kamala got millions less votes than Biden did in 2020 whereas Trump got around the same amount he did in 2020. The drop was the problem.

[anti-bitch]

5 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Don't you think more complex plans might appeal to the Dem base though? Kamala got millions less votes than Biden did in 2020 whereas Trump got around the same amount he did in 2020. The drop was the problem.

Yeah, and that's the point, that blue voters understand the problems we are facing in the world are complex to solve. Red voters seem to like easy answers. But somehow Obama and Biden were able to reach out to some of the red and independent voters too.

 

And you could say in 2020 the stakes for the election were perhaps even higher than now because people were afraid of Covid and how Trump handled it.

[Wonderland]

14 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

New York's turnout must be incredibly low. 

Also California's turnout is lower than in 2020, so these things could explain how K lost the popular vote, although she's catching up a bit and could end up with 72/73 million votes. California counts votes insanely slowly.

If you look at the combined vote for Biden/Trump vs. Kamala/Trump there's like an 800,000 vote difference. It's 97% reported so I doubt that gap is gonna close

 

I'm really baffled at how more house races didn't flip tbh. Are seats just so heavily gerrymandered in either direction now that the only way you run up a landslide is in a midterm when the out-of-power party is more enthused?

[anti-bitch]

4 minutes ago, Wonderland said:

If you look at the combined vote for Biden/Trump vs. Kamala/Trump there's like an 800,000 vote difference. It's 97% reported so I doubt that gap is gonna close

 

I'm really baffled at how more house races didn't flip tbh. Are seats just so heavily gerrymandered in either direction now that the only way you run up a landslide is in a midterm when the out-of-power party is more enthused?

It must be that a lot of Magas just came in, filled in the Trump vote, and left the rest of the ballot blank. 

[modeblock]

1 hour ago, Mellark said:

I hate to say it, but some of my people are really slow and too individualistic 

 

 

Trump Minaj 2028 incoming.

Absolutely, the white Cuban lesbian made instantly think of ms. @dabunique

 

i did call her out on her white privilege - whew!  

 

but actually I had some ******* amazing discussions with all of them that it primed me for a kopmomala loss feeling that the overall sentiment wasn't hate, but disappointment in their options tbh 

Edited Sunday at 08:38 AM by modeblock

[Komet]

9 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

It must be that a lot of Magas just came in, filled in the Trump vote, and left the rest of the ballot blank. 

Slotkin won MI with less votes than Kop that lost MI got  

 

It's likely what you mentioned, plus Dems being more reliable downballot voters in general, plus I bet there were some that voted Dump+Dem downballot to 'keep him in check'. 

[Princess Aurora]

2 hours ago, Wicked said:

 

This 100%

[modeblock]

Most* (all) genders and races have a women problem, me thinks. But it doesn't mean that it's an excuse to not put women at the top of the ticket, but that the women and frankly it should also be demanded of any person running for top office, is that they must deliver human excellence personified. 
 

Claudia Sheinbeum is proof that, at least Mexican men of all ages, are not misogynistic enough to deny a woman the highest office in the land. That scapegoating is not gonna work, as others have already pointed out. 

Edited Sunday at 08:53 AM by modeblock

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Wicked said:

Posts like this make it really easy to see why y'all took an L. 

Paywalls don't really change the fact that most Americans get their news from headlines and don't click on articles anyway. Which is why "burying the lede" is a thing. The most substantial information of an article is always buried in a paragraph that most consumers will never even bother to read to. The surface level stuff in the headline is all most will see, and often times it is ragebait for whatever audience the headline is trying to reach.

 

People who want to be informed enough beyond the headlines are generally the ones who are already well off enough to subscribe and not be impeded by the paywall. Generally they tended to either be among the intelligentsia or they were suburban white women who were driven by the Trump Derangement circlejerking pushed by MSNBC, especially the Rachel Maddow viewers.

 

Mainstream news that is free to consume is net-negative for profit. That's why NPR exists through public funding. That's also why Republicans want to defund NPR and PBS. With Washington Post losing massive amounts of subscribers, the likely outcome is that Jeff Bezos either pushes the paper to become fully pro-Trump propaganda or he cancels the paper because it's not turning a profit anymore.

[ClashAndBurn]

4 hours ago, Vespertine said:

It's kind of blowing my mind to see all the libs online moaning about how we can't possibly compete with the "conservative ecosystem of podcasts and social media and misinformation!!"  "We need our own Joe Rogan!!"

 

Now they sound like Trump and his supporters 8 years ago, droning on and on about the liberal mainstream media. 

 

 

The problem liberals have is the mainstream media platforms they've consistently relied upon are a dying breed. Printed news is no longer printing, cable news is facing extinction due to cord-cutting, and the websites with paywalls are seeing their subscriptions dry up. Liberal podcasters and streamers also can't compete with leftists like Hasan, which are also greatly outpaced by the entire conservative consumption market themselves.

 

They failed to invest in independent media, and they will fail to catch up due to the fact that they're also still desperately trying to cling onto their grip on information and trying to strangle their independent counterparts. The YouTube algorithm greatly favors MSNBC and CNN clips while suppressing indie commentators. And now that Elon Musk has taken over the digital public square, Leftists in particular are quietly getting shadowbanned and don't come up in search results.

 

They've made their bed and now they're lying in it. They didn't take the red flags of their failing media ecosystem seriously enough.

[Blankspace2010]

2 hours ago, Wicked said:

Posts like this make it really easy to see why y'all took an L. 

But it's objectively true that Americans as a global population and are undereducated and lack critical thinking skills.

[Mellark]

If this is true... let the mess begin.

 

 

[anti-bitch]

1 hour ago, modeblock said:

Absolutely, the white Cuban lesbian made instantly think of ms. @dabunique

 

i did call her out on her white privilege - whew!  

 

but actually I had some ******* amazing discussions with all of them that it primed me for a kopmomala loss feeling that the overall sentiment wasn't hate, but disappointment in their options tbh 

Girl, when you say "white Cuban lesbian" it makes me chuckle a bit.  
 

But yeah, we need to stop thinking that all women are just helpless victims shackled by the patriarchy. Some of them love that s***, let's be real. It's like they are only marginally more liberal/progressive than men.

 

Us gay and trans people, we really don't fit in a traditionalist, capitalist society. No wonder some of us are becoming radicalized, communist or whatever.

Edited Sunday at 09:51 AM by anti-bitch

[Blankspace2010]

2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

Why do I feel like Marianne would've done so much better with female voters than Kamala?

 

Even California would have voted Trump if Williamson ran. 

[Wicked]

 

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