news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Lil Mistee]

WEW I have a lot to do...find a new place to live next year, get a new career, do my dishes!!!

 

Let me get OUT of this thread politics are OVER

 

[canvey916]

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

Y'all talking about "wokeness" when nearly every poor black person in the rust belt has been complaining that they can't afford to pay rent since 2016. 

New York Times literally walking in and out of Milwaukee barbershops for comments November 2016 to black voters going "I didn't vote but it's not like things change anyway."

 

Huge swaths of black voters are not "turned off" by "wokeness". They're *unmoved* by platitudes and symbolic gestures of support.

 

You don't have to take my word on it as a white person. You just can read these very statements from - key word here - *working class* black people (not elite DC pundits who go on MSNBC panels and suggest black voters are a monolith with no division amongst class) expressing this frustration:

 

 

LOVE Malaika. She's exactly the kind of person Dems should've been taking cues from. If only they listened as well as they lectured.

[Lose My Breath]

10 minutes ago, Lightbringer007 said:

oh girl

 

 

 

Goodbye, *****

[superglowy]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

What are you planning to do when the Democrats lose election after election and they start to bleed voters because they're losing too much?

 

2020 was a fluke due to COVID. It's clear now that Trump would have won that election in the absence of a global pandemic that he was too much of a bloviating imbecile to handle properly, and the Democrats would have completely flopped with Sleepy Joe the dementia patient.

 

Republicans have enthusiasm to unite them. Democrats have nothing but fear.

The fact that the next 4 years of Republican extremism is going to be a **** show. National abortion ban, porn ban, Tariffs, potential recession, inflation still killing, Medicare at risk etc. 

 

Fear is what drove Dems to success in every election post 2016 to now. People got too comfortable after Dems fix things, like always, run back to the GOP who **** everything up, like always, and they then run back to Dems.

 

And the pendulum of choice begins its dance.

[Communion]

On 11/4/2024 at 8:09 PM, Communion said:

So what you're saying is...

 

Year - Overall / Men / Women

2016 - D+38 / D+31 / D+44

2020 - D+33 / D+23 / D+39

2024 - D+22 / D+8 / D+33

 

Not this convincing me that all the sudden instances of big centrist Dem-aligned accounts re-litigating "Latinx" discourse being a psyop so that it's fresh enough in people's minds for them to try and pin it as the sole / main reason for shifts in Hispanic men and why Harris may lose Arizona (and possibly Nevada) as opposed to *gestures at economy*. 

 

Not me trying to re-find the post where I say the day before election day the discourse from #those pundits was sounding like people knowing they'd lose and 

 

1) ***** @Armani? The way what we thought would be the male average ended up being... the combined average.  (Edit - whoops, CNN's exit poll updated to Dems only +6 w/ Latinos, -12 w/ Latino Men and +22 w/ Latino Women, a 34-point gender gap.)

 

2) Dems 100% knew for weeks they were losing Latino men in droves and have been planting the "culture war" seeds to cover their poor economic messaging.

 

 

Edited November 8 by Communion

[Armani?]

Honestly though idk what's going on with the state polls for Black voters because they don't fit within the national poll. @Communion

 

Trump only gained 1pt in the national poll for Black Voters overall

 

But they have Black men voting 26% Trump in Pennsylvania, up from 9%. And presumably nearly 30% in Wisconsin since there's not enough data for a gender split. But Black men stayed around the same in Georgia. There was no shift left anywhere, everywhere else showed minimum gains to Trump

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

The most extreme scenario I can see hapenning (but not really) is the US pulling out of NATO entirely. This would force Berlin, Paris and London to either let it dissolve completely or reform NATO as a pan-European security pact. And now for the really hot take...

 

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...Said pact would need to involve Russia. A détente from Lisbon to Vladivostok to keep tensions down. A new Concert of Europe. What should've hapenned after 1991.

 

It's easy to argue for zero-diplomacy with Russia when you're an American neocon like Biden, living in the country that's least likely to ever be attacked or suffer fallout from war.

 

European countries don't have that privilege and, deep down, Scholz and Macron know that. So did Merkel and Sarkozy. As distasteful as their regime is, we share a continent with Russia. We can't just completely cut them off and then run to the US for help. It's laughable.

 

If you wanna criticize German energy policy, I'll be the first to join in, but the idea that they should've completely cut off Russian gas and then buy it from the US at 4 times the price was always going to end like it did: with the deindustrialization of Germany and the rise of neo-fascism.

 

Which is why, as disastrous as Trump's win is, it has a silver lining: European neocons no longer have the American backing to push through their idealist nonsense. They've been forced back to Earth and will have to deal with their own **** instead of capitulating to US demands every. *******. time. Realists might finally have a say again.

 

As much of an American perspective as I have (fwiw I did do a masters in the Netherlands and was exposed to a really wide array of opinions on the current international security profile in Europe ) it seems to me as if French and German and British security interests are broadly divergent (and somewhat conflicting) to a degree that any sort of consensus will fall apart without an external enemy forcing them together. As the Cold War-era leadership gets purged from each and as the Germans not-so-secretly yearn for Russian petrochemicals and the French lust after dropping bombs in the Sahel, it just doesn't seem like a grand pact is even possible 

 

Spoiler

And including Russia seems pretty much impossible without concessions made to Poland and Romania that I just don't think will be made (or believed)

 

9 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

If you wanna criticize German energy policy, I'll be the first to join in, but the idea that they should've completely cut off Russian gas and then buy it from the US at 4 times the price was always going to end like it did: with the deindustrialization of Germany and the rise of neo-fascism.

 

The absolute irony of all ironies being that the US is doubly benefitting here, since energy-reliant companies like BASF have essentially slowly been packing up their manufacturing facilities and mailing them to places like ******* Louisiana one piece at a time 

 

[ADMKHN]

53 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

 Oh now it's fixing the issue will take time 😂😂😂😂

 

If he doesn't sit down and shut up…. oh, wait. 

[TeemoR]

8 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

What are you planning to do when the Democrats lose election after election and they start to bleed voters because they're losing too much?

 

2020 was a fluke due to COVID. It's clear now that Trump would have won that election in the absence of a global pandemic that he was too much of a bloviating imbecile to handle properly, and the Democrats would have completely flopped with Sleepy Joe the dementia patient.

 

Republicans have enthusiasm to unite them. Democrats have nothing but fear.

That's true, but it's also unfair to just blame Democrats for everything that went wrong. I don't think it's 100% their fault that inflation is going up after COVID in the whole world. The whole planet is leaning towards right wing parties. We're just going through dark times. Democrats have A LOT of things they need to correct, but at the end of the day, none of the two parties can make any big change out there. 

[anti-bitch]

1 minute ago, Bloo said:

If we're thinking of sticking with a two-party framework, then yes. If Bernie won the 2020 primary (i.e., if Obama et al. didn't get in the way), then the older Black voter would have gotten on board. They are a very partisan voting bloc and would have voted for the candidate of the Democratic Party.

 

I would like to think that older Black voters would get on board just based on policy, but I think they are largely stuck to the harm reductionist mindset and will vote Blue no matter who. I'd love to hear counter-arguments, but that's just my opinion based on what I've seen.

Yeah, I understand it feels safe for Black voters to always vote blue. And Bernie being independent, coming from the outside, might have felt a bit threatening to them, even if they agreed on the issues.

 

I said it a bit earlier that it might lead to the DNC taking their vote for granted. But still, it felt like they were really excited for Kamala. And it makes me sad to think that in spite of all the problems with her policies, or not really offering to change much from Biden's, Black people would have been so much better off with her as President.

 

If things get bad for everyone, we know Black women and transgender people will have it the worst. And honestly... that kind of makes me angry at the people couldn't get themselves to vote for Harris. I was trying not to get in the blame game because I just want everyone to survive. And I still don't wanna blame, I'm just sad and frustrated. I'm a white gay guy, but I know Black people can never catch a break in America.

 

Maybe that's why @ClashAndBurn was able to bring himself to vote for Kamala, in spite of all the grievances with her policies, because he knows that Black people will suffer disproportionally from any level of fascism that may come forth now.

 

So the 14 million people that didn't vote. I... really, really want to understand. And ofc nobody should be forced to vote. But... I don't know what will happen now. I hope nothing. I don't get any joy from watching someone that Black women especially wanted to win so much crash down like this.

[anastaciabby]

11 minutes ago, Lightbringer007 said:

oh girl

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said:

On the issue of Abortion, though most people are in favor of Roe, I think the 30% of Americas who are not may very well include a large swath of Latinos. 

 

Many Latinos are ultra religious and do not believe in Abortion. We need a way to talk about women's reproductive issues without the sole focus being Abortion or we need to make people understand how the overturning of Roe puts ALL child barring women at risk. 

 

I think people have always had the perception that abortion is purely a choice that women make with an unwanted pregnancy. There are literally women dying or nearing death because they are not getting the medical attention they need after a miscarriage. 

 

 

someone said the "libs" are just finger pointing and blaming minorities but we need to really look into the mindset of Hispanic voters.

I had done interviews for my channel in my bordertown where I was raised and most of them just said what they heard on tiktok and Facebook as truth.

Even my own mother believed migrants were eating cats and dogs.

Truth is in Texas, they've made sure to undereducate us and the whole propaganda machine online is where most of them get information from. Im not sure what we can do about years of buildup from the right, we really need to make another party atp because people hate hearing Democrat even more than before

[Armani?]

12 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

 

1) ***** @Armani? The way what we thought would be the male average ended up being... the combined average.  (Edit - whoops, CNN's exit poll updated to Dems only +6 w/ Latinos, -12 w/ Latino Men and +22 w/ Latino Women, a 34-point gender gap.)

 

That's really insane tbh Im curious of the implications of that being so far apart going forward

 

They were nowhere near in line with Latinas who also shifted themselves 

[Virgos Groove]

1 minute ago, wastedpotential said:

As much of an American perspective as I have (fwiw I did do a masters in the Netherlands and was exposed to a really wide array of opinions on the current international security profile in Europe ) it seems to me as if French and German and British security interests are broadly divergent (and somewhat conflicting) to a degree that any sort of consensus will fall apart without an external enemy forcing them together. As the Cold War-era leadership gets purged from each and as the Germans not-so-secretly yearn for Russian petrochemicals and the French lust after dropping bombs in the Sahel, it just doesn't seem like a grand pact is even possible 

 

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And including Russia seems pretty much impossible without concessions made to Poland and Romania that I just don't think will be made (or believed)

 

The absolute irony of all ironies being that the US is doubly benefitting here, since energy-reliant companies like BASF have essentially slowly been packing up their manufacturing facilities and mailing them to places like ******* Louisiana one piece at a time 

 

Yeah, I can dream, but it would take a truly uniting figure (a la Merkel) to pull off managing all those different interests, and we simply don't have one anymore. Can you imagine Macron as the leader of Europe? Pffft

 

The most likely thing to happen is Europe (as a geopolitical concept) will have zero international stance in the years to come and will be divided into regions of influence.

 

US: UK, Poland, Baltics, Finland

Russia: Belarus, Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia

China: Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal

 

With France and Germany cautiously managing all these interests.

 

Or we'll all just fall to fascism and die in a nuclear holocaust. Which doesn't seem like fun.

 

[Bloo]

1 minute ago, anti-bitch said:

Yeah, I understand it feels safe for Black voters to always vote blue. And Bernie being independent, coming from the outside, might have felt a bit threatening to them, even if they agreed on the issues.

 

I said it a bit earlier that it might lead to the DNC taking their vote for granted. But still, it felt like they were really excited for Kamala. And it makes me sad to think that in spite of all the problems with her policies, or not really offering to change much from Biden's, Black people would have been so much better off with her as President.

 

If things get bad for everyone, we know Black women and transgender people will have it the worst. And honestly... that kind of makes me angry at the people couldn't get themselves to vote for Harris. I was trying not to get in the blame game because I just want everyone to survive. And I still don't wanna blame, I'm just sad and frustrated. I'm a white gay guy, but I know Black people can never catch a break in America.

 

Maybe that's why @ClashAndBurn was able to bring himself to vote for Kamala, in spite of all the grievances with her policies, because he knows that Black people will suffer disproportionally from any level of fascism that may come forth now.

 

So the 14 million people that didn't vote. I... really, really want to understand. And ofc nobody should be forced to vote. But... I don't know what will happen now. I hope nothing. I don't get any joy from watching someone that Black women especially wanted to win so much crash down like this.

Blaming voters is a waste of time.

 

Blame people with power. Kamala Harris is not stupid. She is a well-educated woman with well-educated people looking over all the data, the polls, etc. Kamala Harris and her team knew that there was a high Arab American population in Michigan. They knew that Gaza was a big issue. They knew Biden was deeply unpopular. They knew that Biden got fewer Republican voters than Hillary Clinton. They knew that the progressive policies are popular.

 

They knew all of that and still chose to cast off Arab American voters, thinking they'd net enough Liz Cheney fans, and disenfranchised voters that respond to economic populism. They chose to cast off those voters and make blunder after blunder after blunder. Kamala Harris chose to not distance herself from Biden after he was literally bullied out of running again because the country deeply hates him. She knew.

 

Yet she still made countless decisions that resulted in her loss against Donald Trump.

 

This loss is on her. If you believe in Democracy, then you cannot say voters are evil if they don't vote for a candidate you want. Kamala made countless avoidable mistakes and she deserves most of the blame. Biden is the only other person deserving of a significant amount of blame because, yes, his ego prevented a Democratic primary process from happening.

[Lightbringer007]

very interesting insight lmao

 

 

 

Edited November 8 by Lightbringer007

[Thuggin]

The education and income breakdown of the results…

 

When Democrats propose literacy tests and poll taxes to get back to their pre-Southern Strategy roots

 

[RihRihGirrrl]

6 minutes ago, anastaciabby said:

 

someone said the "libs" are just finger pointing and blaming minorities but we need to really look into the mindset of Hispanic voters.

I had done interviews for my channel in my bordertown where I was raised and most of them just said what they heard on tiktok and Facebook as truth.

Even my own mother believed migrants were eating cats and dogs.

Truth is in Texas, they've made sure to undereducate us and the whole propaganda machine online is where most of them get information from. Im not sure what we can do about years of buildup from the right, we really need to make another party atp because people hate hearing Democrat even more than before

I think part of it is about putting money and resources around community outreach and engagement year round.....we can not wait for an election year to start engaging and pumping out our message 

[wastedpotential]

Just now, Virgos Groove said:

Yeah, I can dream, but it would take a truly uniting figure (a la Merkel) to pull off managing all those different interests, and we simply don't have one anymore. Can you imagine Macron as the leader of Europe? Pffft

 

The most likely thing to happen is Europe (as a geopolitical concept) will have zero international stance in the years to come and will be divided into regions of influence.

 

US: UK, Poland, Baltics, Finland

Russia: Belarus, Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia

China: Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal

 

With France and Germany cautiously managing all these interests.

 

Or we'll all just fall to fascism and die in a nuclear holocaust. Which doesn't seem like fun.

 

Spoiler

 

This man... really thought 

 

France tried to ship Napoleon II but it got shipped back 

Yes Trump, Yes Nuclear Holocaust 

 

[TomTom]

14 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

it seems to me as if French and German and British security interests are broadly divergent (and somewhat conflicting) to a degree that any sort of consensus will fall apart without an external enemy forcing them together.

I'm German and this is 100% true in my opinion. 

 

14 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

and as the Germans not-so-secretly yearn for Russian petrochemicals

I don't see anyone doing that here except for the political fringes, both on the far-left and far-right. Everyone else is glad to have reduced dependencies on Russia as much as possible. 

[CandyCoatedClouds]

3 minutes ago, Lightbringer007 said:

very interesting insight

 

 

 

Even if he is joking, I still believe him. As a woman I don't get it, but a straight man of all colors thinks Trump is cool. His doesn't give a **** what anyone thinks attitude, his richness, disrespect of women, sleeping with porn stars. Men envision being Trump and want to emulate that behavior. It's honestly horrifying how men think of themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires who will eventually be just like him if they vote for him. I'm sickened.

[wastedpotential]

Just now, TomTom said:

I'm German and this is 100% true in my opinion. 

 

I don't see anyone doing that here except for the political fringes, both on the far-left and far-right. Everyone else is glad to have reduced dependencies on Russia as much as possible. 

Yeah, I guess I'm thinking of BSW/AFD comments on this issue, which probably isn't indicative of the German GeePee but might be representative of the post-NATO German political future 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_(squirrel)

 

incredible things are happening on Wikipedia

[BOOMBAYAH]

31 minutes ago, Lightbringer007 said:

oh my god?

 

 

 

"S-s-s-stop calling Donny a facist please you lefties are so mean "

[jakeisphat]

That's what happens when you shift even further to the right than Biden/Harris in one of the most liberal cities in the nation. 

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_(squirrel)

 

incredible things are happening on Wikipedia

I'd love to have an exact number of voters who decided to vote because of Peanut 

 

I think we can safely assume that they are all young white men who weren't going to vote before, but felt like they had to stick it to the NYSDEC, and I have to assume it's non-zero 

 

the way I think there might be genuine assassination threats made against the leadership of the NYSDEC