news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[GhostBox]

9 minutes ago, nadiamendell said:

 

I mean alot of Biden's achievements were things that benefited the white working class more than anyone. 
 

the Democrat party when in power gets things done for these voters but never get the credit for doing so. 
 

the whole teamsters situation is a perfect example of this. 
 

 

Edited November 7 by GhostBox

[Kylizzle]

27 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Joe Biden, the people yearn for a mandatory National Grass Touching Program

 

Gen Z is completely doomed. Remember when they were supposed to be the future nnnn now they're all like this or MAGAts

[Bamboo]

Just now, GhostBox said:

The media and everyone saying the economy is the reason why republicans won is laughable. As soon as Trump is inaugurated these same voters will say the economy is brilliant. Literally the same day. 

It is simultaneously true that 1) Trump won because of the economy (particularly inflation) 2) The US economy has been overperforming the global economy under Dem leadership 3) 95% of the American electorate has no idea how the economy works and how politicians affect it

 

He won because of the economy, despite the fact he will almost certainly make it worse, because Americans are low information and uneducated.  

[Tovitov]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Kamala trying to run away from being far left kept 14M Joe Biden voters home on the couch. 

If she kept that many Biden voters on the couch, I can't imagine how many 2020 Biden voters 2024 Biden would have kept on the couch 

[Bloo]

5 minutes ago, Corso said:

You needed to be in a battleground state and see Trump's ads. They all painted her as far left. You can label it what you want.

So? Democrats labeled Trump as fascist. Political labels don’t matter.

 

Bernie Sanders, the actual most left wing major party presidential candidate in modern history that identifies as a socialist, was especially strong with the same demographics that gave Trump the win in 2016 and 2024. Political labels mean nothing. 

[Relampago.]

3 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

Also on the topic of the internet becoming right wing…

 

I think it's a place where angry men who, back then would sit on their porch being mad, now can go online and find a group of people to be mad with. They no longer feel alone and silent so they became boastful and loud. Hates not new, it's just easier to organize. 

 

Y'all are gonna say I'm insane but I literally lived and breathed my entire 13-20 year old hood on the internet… so here I go on the topic of 4chan (which doesn't get talked about enough tbh.)

 

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4chan used to be a place where you'd go to talk about games, anime and post memes. It's where memes originated, it's where the troll face came from, etc. it was the og tiktok if you will. Like 2007-2010 it was literally just meme images  and people talking about random **** but mostly gaming. A meme would originate there and then spread like wildfire everywhere else…Rick roll, I like mudkipz, chocolate rain, etc. Theeeennnn sometimes around 2010-2012 it became, honestly, rather left wing. 4chan was at the forefront of the rebel against big government controlling the internet, internet privacy, pirating, access to freedom on the internet. They hated corporate media and both political parties. They even ran campaigns to expose child molestation in the Vatican (I'm not joking) and expose Scientology. THENNNN when trumpism began to rise in 2015 (and gamergate just before that) that's when it went far right **** hole. I genuinely think the Trump campaign infiltrated these places like 4chan to gain youth votes because it's easy to sway people with good propagandists identity politics and pretending to be against the establishment, the one 4chan hated at the time. They took the anti pedophile statement and turned into anti LGBTQ statement's, an easy Segway with propaganda. Trumps campaign saw how good 4chan was at being a tool for a movement as seen by their previous campaigns such as the one against Scientology…4chan being the originator it is… has spread across the internet once again. Think about when the rise of people like Blair white was (2015-2016). Which is why places like Facebook, YouTube and Twitter are now just 4chan lite; if not the same lol. Think about it, soy boy face, "based", -insert racist **** I won't say here being all over the internet- it's all from 4chan. It's insidious, like the trump campaign. Y'all probably think I'm crazy but this is all genuinely true in my lived experience and honestly if you google "did you use 4chan Reddit" you'll see many people who used it back in the day say the same ****. 

 

Oouuu this tea. 

Everyone keeps talking about how to save the internet— you need to create an internet counterculture that people can unite under. I remember being on forums and always getting LASHED for my conservative religious beliefs because Republicans and the church were seen as the status quo, keeping the rest of us down.

 

Now, the Democrats are. Nagging us with their self-righteousness. A lot of people are going to have to accept that in order to infiltrate these spaces, the political correctness has to go. The internet encourages free speech, and unfortunately that means sometimes people will say things that aren't necessarily right or inoffensive. Hasan says some very bro-y things, but it works for the greater good. You have to speak these people's language, and that means not finger wagging every time you hear something politically incorrect, otherwise these people will just see you as an arm of "The Man". 

[ClashAndBurn]

11 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

Hard disagree on both being toast. As I said, a 3 seat majority in the house is not going to cut it for massive overhauls of government programs. In 2017, the American Healthcare Act barely passed the house even though Republicans had a huge majority. They won't have that this time. 

Thing is, those repeals will be tied to must-pass spending bills that possibly even get Democrat votes from Jared Golden and Marie Glusenkamp Perez. If it's tied to Israel funding, I'd expect even more Dems to shrug and go along with it too. The Obama and Biden legacy is kinda… over

 

They aren't even going to overhaul the system. They're just going to remove it and then tens of millions of people will be uninsured overnight.

 

National abortion ban will also have some right-wing Dem support. In fact, a specific Democrat in particular, Henry Cuellar, could be the deciding vote.

[Communion]

Just now, Tovitov said:

If she kept that many Biden voters on the couch, I can't imagine how many 2020 Biden voters 2024 Biden would have kept on the couch 

Red New Jersey!!! 

 

Passaic County flipped red! 2% for Jill Stein! Little Palestine!

 

The urban and suburban base don't want Liz Cheney, they want economic stimulus! Cut the checks!

[jakeisphat]

Not the 2028 Wikipedia page listing Biden as a potential candidate for the Democratic nomination 

[Cruel Summer]

6 minutes ago, Corso said:

You needed to be in a battleground state and see Trump's ads. They all painted her as far left. You can label it what you want.

But that "far left" is literally meaningless. It certainly doesn't actually, really mean leftist policy, particularly because that kind of policy doesn't turn off voters. Being not progressive on substantial issues clearly hurt turnout for Kamala. We can't just believe that Trump's and the GOP's disingenuous framing of reality is what made people stay home when the simplest explanations lie in the Democratic Party's own platform and candidates.

[BOOMBAYAH]

35 minutes ago, brutal said:

My genuine question to leftists is are you guys willing to make concessions on social policies if it comes with a strong pivot left on economic policies?

 

Imagine a scenario where the 2028 candidate is a younger 2016 Bernie, running on strong taxing the rich, M4A, more education funding. However, when it comes time to answer on something like trans issues they pull a Kamala and give a non/centrist-answer of "I believe they should follow the law". Would that turn you off and make you stay home on election day?

 

Because if you are not willing to make ANY concessions at all then how can you blame the liberals for thinking they won't have progressive backing either way so might as well try to run to the right on BOTH policies which is seemingly what the electorate wants (their thinking not mine)?  

Diva, you just need a smart message and campaign, and you can sell leftism to the public—especially when people have experienced the worst of the other side. Trump has moved further right in every election and has done better each time. This year, Republicans doubled down on right-wing, Christian nationalist extremism after losing the last election and the 2022 midterms, and guess what? They're on the verge of completely taking over the American government. It's not about what policies people like—most people don't even know what they like or need. It's about convincing them that you are right and essential for change. Democrats need to focus on storytelling and building a narrative, not becoming centrists.

[Corso]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

Kamala trying to run away from being far left kept 14M Joe Biden voters home on the couch. 

Joe Biden is not far left. He's a moderate which is why he won. Voters didn't believe Kamala was which is one of the reasons why she lost.

[Beyonnaise]

 

Blue MAGA is just so unserious. Trump won a TRIFECTA FOR THE SECOND TIME  What's not clicking? Biden has had legislative accomplishments but none of this matters if you can't sell your wins with effective surrogates that sound like real people and not condescending elitists.

[Adrian14]

 90,000 Democrats from California or New York have to move to Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin and the Republicans never win an election again.

[Tovitov]

2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Thing is, those repeals will be tied to must-pass spending bills that possibly even get Democrat votes from Jared Golden and Marie Glusenkamp Perez. If it's tied to Israel funding, I'd expect even more Dems to shrug and go along with it too. The Obama and Biden legacy is kinda… over

 

They aren't even going to overhaul the system. They're just going to remove it and then tens of millions of people will be uninsured overnight.

 

National abortion ban will also have some right-wing Dem support. In fact, a specific Democrat in particular, Henry Cuellar, could be the deciding vote.

Again, I genuinely disagree. Golden and Perez are not voting to repeal the ACA in any capacity. The ACA is something that democrats love and multiple republicans have embraced. The ACA is probably something even Cuellar would be willing to shut down the government for. Same goes for a national abortion ban. Republicans like Thomas Kean and Don Bacon are not voting for a national abortion ban and no democrat will either. It's simply not happening. 

[Cruel Summer]

Anyway, I meant to say this like forty minutes ago, but seeing that post about people realizing literally one day after the results what the coming tariffs actually mean… I really think that exposes some of the deeply concerning issues with our country's education system, and those are only going to get worse. People literally don't even know what they're voting for. Some people don't even know who - I saw a Reddit post that showed how on Election Day, Google searches spiked for "did Joe Biden drop out?" 

[Bloo]

1 minute ago, Corso said:

Joe Biden is not far left. He's a moderate which is why he won. Voters didn't believe Kamala was which is one of the reasons why she lost.

Biden ran on raising the minimum wage, strengthening unions, and expanding Medicare to include people aged 60 and older. He’s a moderate, yes, but he took a few nuggets from Bernie Sanders (who was a campaign advisor) and was able to barely win with the scraps he took from Sanders’ direction. 
 

Kamala ran a campaign where she imitated Trump’s policies and campaigned with Liz Cheney and yelled at Arab American voters in Michigan. Make no mistake, her campaign (specifically following the DNC) was the worst presidential campaign since Obama. 

[WildAmerican]

wait when all the midwest Dem governers run for pres in 2028 and it's a massacre 

 

Shapiro vs. Whitmer vs. Pritzker vs. Evers vs. Walz 

[Relampago.]

4 minutes ago, Adrian14 said:

 90,000 Democrats from California or New York have to move to Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin and the Republicans never win an election again.

When this just accelerates NY into battleground state status 

 

[Redstreak]

21 minutes ago, nadiamendell said:

 

"We gave you crumbs why are you not happy"

[WildAmerican]

it'd be kinda funny if Biden croaked in the next month and a half 

[anti-bitch]

25 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

Whatever happens, the 2028 primary is going to be fun. The accompanying thread is going to be an absolute mess though 

I was gonna ask @khalyan when will you guys open the 2028 US Election Megathread? In the words of Kamala, it's time to turn the page. Lol.

[Bloo]

1 minute ago, Cruel Summer said:

Anyway, I meant to say this like forty minutes ago, but seeing that post about people realizing literally one day after the results what the coming tariffs actually mean… I really think that exposes some of the deeply concerning issues with our country's education system, and those are only going to get worse. People literally don't even know what they're voting for. Some people don't even know who - I saw a Reddit post that showed how on Election Day, Google searches spiked for "did Joe Biden drop out?" 

This is separate from the election analyses happening here. But, free college education is a culturally good thing. I’d happily let my taxes fund someone getting a college degree and go on to work at Starbucks for whatever reason. Why? It’s a good thing for people to share space with others from different parts of the country and world. College is a unique opportunity for that. Having to organize a study group with people from another part of the world and complain about how difficult integrals are? That’s a positive experience and research has shown it improves people’s racist and bigoted tendencies. 
 

College is a great opportunity for young adults to grow, become more mindful, and also make lifelong friendships. Free college would be good for our society. 
 

But, you cannot shame non-college educated voters for “being too dumb to not know the correct way to vote” and then oppose making college free. Education is becoming more of an elitist institution where only people that score super well on exams or people from rich backgrounds can afford to go. I have my PhD; I’m in the process of applying to be a professor, but there are legitimate criticisms of academia and how it’s become less oriented to working class people and we need to improve that.  

[Virgos Groove]

2 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said:

 

Blue MAGA is just so unserious. Trump won a TRIFECTA FOR THE SECOND TIME  What's not clicking? Biden has had legislative accomplishments but none of this matters if you can't sell your wins with effective surrogates that sound like real people and not condescending elitists.

This is how I feel about the morons saying "She ran a perfect campaign, but she lost".

 

The whole point of a campaign is to win or, at the very least, increase your percentage. If you lose 15M votes, you ran a terrible campaign. Objectively.

 

Electoral campaigns are not about who makes the best Brat memes or who can put on the best Gaga concert. It's about winning.

 

Saying otherwise is like a doctor going "Why yes, I've performed a fantastic surgery. Yeah, the patient's dead, but look at that stitching around the heart! Perfection! "

[FameFatale]

Everyone blaming each other for everything that went wrong when we honestly have a major misinformation problem that's only getting worse.