news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[ClashAndBurn]

16 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Joe Biden, the people yearn for a mandatory National Grass Touching Program

 

I didn't know Chappell Roan had more influence than Taylor Swift

[Bloo]

1 minute ago, Corso said:

Kamala wasn't a real moderate/centrist, she was pretending to be one.  She was a San Francisco liberal who took far left positions in the 2019 primaries then flip flopped just for the 2024 election. That's what Trump's ads painted her as and they worked. The other reasons she lost is inflation, illegal immigration, and crime.

Kamala is a basic neoliberal Democrat. Nothing about her is progressive. 

[KylieistBoi]

57 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

Dems need media people back on their side

To Dems "media people" are people on CNN or MSNBC and those people have never left Dems' side.

[Bloo]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

I didn't know Chappell Roan had more influence than Taylor Swift

Midwest Princess cost Mamala the presidency wbk

[Foreigner]

Inflation is a government killer

 

It doesn't matter if the unemployment rate is down, once employees perceives their jobs as a self-made achievement, which is not. On the other hand, inflation punishes employees an unemployeds

 

Trump will make things worse. His tariffs will not promote reindustrialization, and even if it did, it wouldn't bring back those jobs, it would rely heavy on automation.

[Lil Mistee]

Also on the topic of the internet becoming right wing…

 

I think it's a place where angry men who, back then would sit on their porch being mad, now can go online and find a group of people to be mad with. They no longer feel alone and silent so they became boastful and loud. Hates not new, it's just easier to organize. 

 

Y'all are gonna say I'm insane but I literally lived and breathed my entire 13-20 year old hood on the internet… so here I go on the topic of 4chan (which doesn't get talked about enough tbh.)

 

Spoiler

4chan used to be a place where you'd go to talk about games, anime and post memes. It's where memes originated, it's where the troll face came from, etc. it was the og tiktok if you will. Like 2007-2010 it was literally just meme images  and people talking about random **** but mostly gaming. A meme would originate there and then spread like wildfire everywhere else…Rick roll, I like mudkipz, chocolate rain, etc. Theeeennnn sometimes around 2010-2012 it became, honestly, rather left wing. 4chan was at the forefront of the rebel against big government controlling the internet, internet privacy, pirating, access to freedom on the internet. They hated corporate media and both political parties. They even ran campaigns to expose child molestation in the Vatican (I'm not joking) and expose Scientology. THENNNN when trumpism began to rise in 2015 (and gamergate just before that) that's when it went far right **** hole. I genuinely think the Trump campaign infiltrated these places like 4chan to gain youth votes because it's easy to sway people with good propagandists identity politics and pretending to be against the establishment, the one 4chan hated at the time. They took the anti pedophile statement and turned into anti LGBTQ statement's, an easy Segway with propaganda. Trumps campaign saw how good 4chan was at being a tool for a movement as seen by their previous campaigns such as the one against Scientology…4chan being the originator it is… has spread across the internet once again. Think about when the rise of people like Blair white was (2015-2016). Which is why places like Facebook, YouTube and Twitter are now just 4chan lite; if not the same lol. Think about it, soy boy face, "based", -insert racist **** I won't say here being all over the internet- it's all from 4chan. It's insidious, like the trump campaign. Y'all probably think I'm crazy but this is all genuinely true in my lived experience and honestly if you google "did you use 4chan Reddit" you'll see many people who used it back in the day say the same ****. 

 

[Sannie]

2 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

I honestly agree with you 100%. Inflation while it caused the rising price issues (due to various reasons), Dems failed to properly mitigate. Yes they returned it back to normal (mostly now, not fully), but instead of supporting those struggling with such programs they just let them struggle. And that absolutely is a part of why they got abandoned. You can't avoid bad things happening, but you can fund such programs to support them until we get over it instead of funding Palestine bombings. Biden and Kamala are 100% to blame for their own loss. I'm not gonna say they completely failed on every front as leaders and make it black and white, but this is precisely why he had to step down and she lost sorry Biden/Harris! I voted for you but you had it coming 

You can't do any of this without majorities in both houses. Every step they took to help people, like the student loan forgiveness, was challenged in court by Republicans and stalled. These leftists still pretending like they don't understand how things work in the gov't is tired now. The election is over, you don't have to play dumb lol.

 

What Dems failed to do, was make it very, very clear that the GOP was the cause for these failures. They did not put up much of a fight messaging wise when the Republican sued to stop the student loan forgiveness.

[Chiidish]

10 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

People have all this talk of more left or more right. I really think the discussion is pointless honestly. It isn't about Gaza or abortion or sexism or whatever side issue. These are important elements to a campaign yes, but let's be real, that's not why Kamala lost.
 

Kamala lost because of the 4 years of inflation/high prices (whoever or whatever you wanna blame doesn't matter as people are uninformed and emotional, rarely logical). People blaming her + Biden and her inability to separate herself from that and her inability to deliver a proper economic message that resonated with voters is the reason. It doesn't matter if going Trump "doesn't make sense." When people want change they blame those in power and many flip hoping it will cause change. In 2028 Trump is gonna get blamed for whatever is going on at that time and it will probably flip again tbh (though the new republican can possibly have hope if they aren't in the current admin by separating themselves). We are in an era of social media and anger baiting and people are going to put their problems and anger against those in power as a scapegoat regardless of logic. You basically just have to roll the dice and hope as a leader you get a 4 year period of relative comfort/low problems. You can manage it amazingly but if too much happens out of your control you will be the person blamed and get the boot. You can even see this year how awful it has been for incumbents worldwide mostly all getting cut just because of the same issues the US faced regardless of circumstances 

While this is all somewhat true for the context of election seasons. We are discussing this left vs right thing in the context of the future  of the Democratic Party to even maintain an opportunity to even WIN those elections. 
 

By chasing bi-partisanship and capitulating only to centrists/moderates and fringe right populism stealing their base for the last few years since 2016 they have dug themselves in a deeper hole. Meanwhile Republicans have completely worked on positioning themselves into a longstanding plot to annihilate freedoms of everyone who is not a conservative white Christian man, and have even convinced MINORITY/marginalized groups that that is in their best interest as well for a variety of reasons.
 

 

So again like we have been discussing, the democrats need to figure out a real plan and MESSAGE that resonates with people outside of bashing Trump and harm-reduction. Finding someone with charisma and charm and arguably revamping their social media engagement (in terms of apps, podcasts, and streaming shows) are short term bandaid solutions to a greater problem that they aren't solving. 

[nadiamendell]

 

[If U Seek Amy]

I feel like in regard to many of the topics just discussed above the most obvious thing that people over complicate here is that the government exists to support their citizens and instead they treat them as if they should be honored we have them. While I still think they are better than Trump, duringa very rough period financially the government did extremely little to support people and spent 4 years touting all their successes and how thankful many should be as they struggled. Yes, some smart things were done absolutely, but even remotely enough. But no one is going to care when they just don't want to feel poor all the time 💀 Trump while a notorious liar and bad person made people feel heard again, just as Biden did for them in 2020. They stop listening and supporting and wonder why they lose

[WildAmerican]

4 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

Whatever happens, the 2028 primary is going to be fun. The accompanying thread is going to be an absolute mess though 

why am i excited for it can't wait for a genuinely inspiring progressive candidate to get beaten by Josh Shapiro 

Edited November 7 by WildAmerican

[Tovitov]

Just now, Foreigner said:

Inflation is a government killer

 

It doesn't matter if the unemployment rate is down, once employees perceives their jobs as a self-made achievement, which is not. On the other hand, inflation punishes employees an unemployeds

 

Trump will make things worse. His tariffs will not promote reindustrialization, and even if it did, it wouldn't bring back those jobs, it would rely heavy on automation.

Yep yep.

 

For reference, Obama won re-election with unemployment at 8%. But inflation was at 2%. 

[Virgos Groove]

1 minute ago, Bloo said:

Midwest Princess cost Mamala the presidency wbk

Red Wine Super Nova

 

We should've seen it all along.

 

[If U Seek Amy]

1 minute ago, Chiidish said:

While this is all somewhat true for the context of election seasons. We are discussing this left vs right thing in the context of the future  of the Democratic Party to even maintain an opportunity to even WIN those elections. 
 

By chasing bi-partisanship and capitulating only to centrists/moderates and fringe right populism stealing their base for the last few years since 2016 they have dug themselves in a deeper hole. Meanwhile Republicans have completely worked on positioning themselves into a longstanding plot to annihilate freedoms of everyone who is not a conservative white Christian man, and have even convinced MINORITY/marginalized groups that that is in their best interest as well for a variety of reasons.
 

 

So again like we have been discussing, the democrats need to figure out a real plan and MESSAGE that resonates with people outside of bashing Trump and harm-reduction. Finding someone with charisma and charm and arguably revamping their social media engagement (in terms of apps, podcasts, and streaming shows) are short term bandaid solutions to a greater problem that they aren't solving. 

You are fully right I agree with you. I apologize if it came off poorly or I misunderstood the intent!

[Sannie]

5 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

Whatever happens, the 2028 primary is going to be fun. The accompanying thread is going to be an absolute mess though 

 

 

[Tovitov]

Just now, WildAmerican said:

why am i excited for it can't wait a genuinely inspiring progressive candidate get beaten by Josh Shapiro 

*Me dusting off my Amy Klobuchar merch*

 

[Corso]

3 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Kamala is a basic neoliberal Democrat. Nothing about her is progressive. 

You needed to be in a battleground state and see Trump's ads. They all painted her as far left. You can label it what you want.

[HeavyMetalAura]

4 minutes ago, Bloo said:

These are great questions! The truth is, we could have done these things but the Democrats are too cowardly to do them. Back in 2012, there was a moment where people were trying to pressure Ruth Bader Ginsburg to step down due Obama being in office with a safe Congress, her age, her multiple cancer scares, and the importance of her seat and she called it sexism. She also wrote about how she wanted to retire at 90—she would go on to die at 88 (IIRC). 
 

Democrats are too loyal to the people that are supposed to work for us to push out a historic woman in the Supreme Court because "that's sexist" is the de facto excuse liberals will often retort with. In fact, many prominent liberal writers made that same allegation of the calls for RBG to retire. This is why there is a lot of frustration with identity politics on the left. I call this tokenist politics, but the point is cogent nonetheless. There's also an issue with idolizing Democratic political figures. 5 months ago, liberals were mocking leftists for saying Biden needs to step down and besmirching the idea that Kamala could run in his place because "omg she sucks and has bad approval ratings!" Now? I'm seeing so many examples of these same people asking about whether she can run 2028.

 

There's a different flavor of cult of personality among (partisan) Democratic voters that prevents these types of conversations from gaining mass appeal. 

Ugh I was hoping the answer would be "it's not possible because ______" but it's literally Democrats' obsession with calling "-ism" where it doesn't belong and being too afraid/dumb to do the right thing  great. 
 

Thank you for taking the time to explain! 

[If U Seek Amy]

2 minutes ago, Sannie said:

You can't do any of this without majorities in both houses. Every step they took to help people, like the student loan forgiveness, was challenged in court by Republicans and stalled. These leftists still pretending like they don't understand how things work in the gov't is tired now. The election is over, you don't have to play dumb lol.

 

What Dems failed to do, was make it very, very clear that the GOP was the cause for these failures. They did not put up much of a fight messaging wise when the Republican sued to stop the student loan forgiveness.

I see what you are saying. I think I misspoke attributing this too much to Kamala and Biden as leaders. But really I should be addressing Democrats as a whole. That is also why they fail to control Congress in many seats they should have! They fail to drive home their message and plan + why the GOP has and will fail them. Instead they just reiterate "Trump bad" without explanation 

[Capris Groove]

30 minutes ago, brutal said:

Imagine a scenario where the 2028 candidate is a younger 2016 Bernie, running on strong taxing the rich, M4A, more education funding. However, when it comes time to answer on something like trans issues they pull a Kamala and give a non/centrist-answer of "I believe they should follow the law". Would that turn you off and make you stay home on election day?

Absolutely not. This is something that is bigger than ourselves.

[WildAmerican]

1 minute ago, Tovitov said:

*Me dusting off my Amy Klobuchar merch*

 

Ohhhh New Hampshire's stapler supply is NOT ready 

[Redstreak]

25 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

People have all this talk of more left or more right. I really think the discussion is pointless honestly. It isn't about Gaza or abortion or sexism or whatever side issue. These are important elements to a campaign yes, but let's be real, that's not why Kamala lost.
 

Kamala lost because of the 4 years of inflation/high prices (whoever or whatever you wanna blame doesn't matter as people are uninformed and emotional, rarely logical). People blaming her + Biden and her inability to separate herself from that and her inability to deliver a proper economic message that resonated with voters is the reason. It doesn't matter if going Trump "doesn't make sense." When people want change they blame those in power and many flip hoping it will cause change. In 2028 Trump is gonna get blamed for whatever is going on at that time and it will probably flip again tbh (though the new republican can possibly have hope if they aren't in the current admin by separating themselves). We are in an era of social media and anger baiting and people are going to put their problems and anger against those in power as a scapegoat regardless of logic. You basically just have to roll the dice and hope as a leader you get a 4 year period of relative comfort/low problems. You can manage it amazingly but if too much happens out of your control you will be the person blamed and get the boot. You can even see this year how awful it has been for incumbents worldwide mostly all getting cut just because of the same issues the US faced regardless of circumstances 

But that inflation didn't just appear out of thin air. It's like the good sis communion rails about, the inherit contradictions of capitalism and how the liberal leadership has hung onto it tooth and nail, now they're reaping the results of it

[BOOMBAYAH]

This 2028 leftist foundation-setting for when people get sick of right-wing extremism.  I fear he will be President-elect.

 

 

[GhostBox]

The media and everyone saying the economy is the reason why republicans won is laughable. As soon as Trump is inaugurated these same voters will say the economy is brilliant. Literally the same day. 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Corso said:

You needed to be in a battleground state and see Trump's ads. They all painted her as far left. You can label it what you want.

In this sense, Kamala trying to run away from being far left and abandoning being far left kept 14M Joe Biden voters home on the couch.  Sounds like we need to just run a far leftist like the Dem base wants. 

Edited November 7 by Communion