news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Sannie]

Just now, brutal said:

I don't think it will be Elon vs. Trump, instead Elon vs. Peter Thiel fighting over control of puppet Trump. I don't know if it's me delusionally hoping, but I do think that fight will grow to a big one that can make this administration explode from within.

Oh, you may be right. I forgot about Thiel. There will be too many cooks in this kitchen; there will def. be some implosion.

 

At least we'll finally get our first gay President.  

Edited November 7 by Sannie

[Sannie]

Just now, ctlp27 said:

If you think moving further left would be a win, that is a misinterpretation of the results. Inflation has been a significant issue, impacting every government, even those that managed to keep it relatively low compared to neighbors like the USA and France. People think individually; they don't care that their wages have increased by 20% over four years when their salad costs $5 and average rent has increased by 25%. It's that simple. This is likely why the mid-term elections will be challenging for Republicans if they follow through on their promises. Two years is a short time, and people will realize that while governments have some power, global inflation is difficult to regulate at a micro-level.

This is the one thing giving me hope. Trump is not going into the White House with Obama's economy; he's going into the White House with prices high and people who expect him to push the magic "lower prices" button. If prices continue to rise, or just don't fall, he will not be able to explain himself out of it. He will get the blame. And there's nothing he can actually do about the prices.  

[Tovitov]

DDHQ is projecting 214D-221R for the House and 47D-53R for the senate.

 

In comparison when Trump won in 2016, it was 194D-241R for the House and 48D-52R in the senate.

 

The house being so much closer this time around probably saves us from ACA repeal at least. 

[FameFatale]

Jack Smith could do the funniest thing and drop all the evidence and documents he's worked before everything is dropped and destroyed

[ClashAndBurn]

6 minutes ago, Sannie said:

This goes back to the whole "this is what she should've done" and I think at this point it's fruitless and quite frankly unhealthy for all of us to argue over. I truly do not think she could've done anything to stop this. People voted for Trump despite him promising to take their rights away. How do you convince people who are willing to vote for their own deaths that you should vote for someone else? You simply cannot.

 

I don't know what the answer moving forward is. Maybe just hoping Trump fucks everything up so badly the country has buyers' remorse?

The country didn't have buyers remorse after the first time. Joe Biden only barely won in 2020. And now we can see through voter trends that that win was a historical anomaly. Kamala lost 15 million Biden voters. Hillary only lost 100,000 Obama voters, and she was rightfully excoriated.

 

I think the Dems are cooked, personally. Abortion failed to save them and that was genuinely all they had going for them.

Edited November 7 by ClashAndBurn

[khalyan]

The one thing about Trump being president that's better than someone like Vance being president is that Trump is so deranged it's hard for him to be successful in getting anything done. Y'all are highlighting how even Elon might not be able to work with him and it's so true, he'll do whatever he feels like half the time, and then be someone else's puppet the other half of the time and that could create so much disconcertion with his agenda. 

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

The Democratic Party need to appeal to the middle/working class if they want to win again. They need to shred the image of you vote for them if you're a well-off college educated person that lives on the coast, and is out of touch what the average American deals with on a daily basis economically. After all, it's the largest voter base in the country, and socio-economic class is the largest unifier across identities.  

 

I don't think it's necessary to become less left appealing and more centrist. They need to stop with the "uneducated" people = stupid and regressive rhetoric, because workers without a college degree just think it comes off as snobbish and elitist. Actually a quite anti-leftist sentiment, ironically. 

 

It's just a major flaw in the US (and many other countries), that to succeed in politics, you most likely have to have college educated parents, go to the right school, move in a elite circle and have connections, when politics should be for everybody who wants a change in their country.

[CandyCoatedClouds]

My boss is a Trump supporter so I thought he'd be happy when he won the election,  I even thought he'd be wearing all his Trump memorabilia, yet he didn't seem so happy. I asked he why he wasn't celebrating and he said he was unhappy with the senate, thinks everyone is a bunch of Rinos and that Trump won't work well with them. Idk what that even means 

[Lil Mistee]

Just now, anti-***** said:

At what point did conservatives become better at using new technologies? When YouTube was starting, everyone was leftist/Progressive there. Twitter too, mostly.

Good question! As someone who grew up terminally online I'll throw a crack at it but I could very well be wrong… I think identity politics play a huge roll in it. If I'm being honest, I never understood the whole movement in the gaming sphere of covering up woman characters who are dressed rather slutty. One, in a way isn't that what a lot of liberated women fight for? And two, let straight men be straight men and look at some sexualized game character idgas, I'd rather it be that than a real woman. But the left went into identity politics and it made teenage horny boys furious. So now when a game even has a woman character they get angry, it's fallen to ****. I'm sure there's a better analyst of this somewhere else but the gaming sphere for me growing up was rather inclusive (some ewwww girls here and there but it was mostly facetious) and now it's identity politics everywhere I go. I think when the progressives tried to reach out to men and boys they did it the wrong way and made them feel emasculated.
 

You have to remember too, republicans were the ones fighting against video games in the 90s and 2000s because of violence and they'd argue the reason shootings happen were because of them. Now it has flipped somewhat and dems blame gamers for misogyny and racism (the gaming sphere is very much that but it's not because of video games themselves it's because of the right wing influence now seeped into the gaming sphere.)

 

I also think the internet back then was a place where people could be who they wanted to be and do what they wanted to do. This Is why virtual avatar sites like gaiaonline blew the **** up. It was honestly so fun back then, I've met so many people off the internet because of it (still do but it's def less of a free place to be imo) Then the big suits came in and tried to profit off of and regulate it. Remember, YouTube was bought out by google. They want more clicks, so they put the rage bait post at the top of the comments so people browse more and they get more profit.

 

Also people started treating the internet like real life, a huge mistake imo. It's massively different for SO MANY reasons I won't even begin to list. But people would try to dictate what people could and couldn't say or do on the internet and that also cause a right wing shift in the form of MUH FREEDOM OF SPEECH. 

 

Then there's the topic of bots… bots have exploded since 2012 or so on the internet and especially Russian bots. I don't have the statistics with me rn but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that in 2019 a good percentage of twitters activity were Russian bots (it was like 30 percent or some crazy number). That has crossed over into Reddit, and was already a thing in Facebook and YouTube. 
 

NOW, we have AI which the trump campaign and its surrogates used HEAVILY this election like remember Trump tweeting Taylor swift ai like help…

 

Republican are so much better at technology (dis)information campaigns it's astounding. But I think the internet is also where some people go for genuine questions and get swept up in conspiracy theories…that's how my friends mom went off the deep end. Decades of being a libbed out woman and got swept up in Facebook propaganda because she wanted to learn about Trump. It's my hope that as the older people who don't know how to use the internet (google) die out we'd be more informed but idk it looking grim.

 

 

Funny how it was supposed to be the Information Age and it became the disinformation age. Again sorry if this doesn't make sense I'm on mobile lol. 

[Thuggin]

3 minutes ago, Sannie said:

This goes back to the whole "this is what she should've done" and I think at this point it's fruitless and quite frankly unhealthy for all of us to argue over. I truly do not think she could've done anything to stop this. People voted for Trump despite him promising to take their rights away. How do you convince people who are willing to vote for their own deaths that you should vote for someone else? You simply cannot.

 

I don't know what the answer moving forward is. Maybe just hoping Trump fucks everything up so badly the country has buyers' remorse?

We have to see them reap the full repercussions of right wing populism, mob-like anti-elitism, institutional decay, societal distrust, pseudoscience, and extreme cultural conservatism that restricts even the privileged groups until all of that is no longer cool and trendy anymore. When the right controls everything and is the dominant voice in media, and people realize they're still dissatisfied with their lives and so they have to look for new answers. Only from there can a movement of neo-intellectualism and liberalism begin to emerge.

[Gaia]

4 hours ago, anti-***** said:

But Kamala Harris received 14 million votes less than Joe Biden did in 2020. There must have been other reasons for not voting in people's head than just foreign policy.

 

And in the final tally, Trump's total vote amount will be similar or less than in 2020, so it's not like leftists voted for him either.

Not saying she lost JUST because of Far leftists boycotting her, but majority of the negative posts about Biden/Harris on social media aren't even from republicans, they were from leftists about Israel/Gaza. 
 

Basically did exactly what Republicans wanted. Completely separated the party so while they all stood under Trump. 
 

Why would anyone be surprised about less votes this year when for the past year you guys have spewed how terrible Biden/Harris are and how voting for them is voting for genocide?

 

Well now you guys have Trump so when he gives Netanyahu the resources to "finish the job" don't come crying to the dems. You guys actively PUSHED for this outcome.

Edited November 7 by Gaia

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

Might be controversial but another Joe Manchin > Susan Collins. If Golden can beat Collins, than run him. 

For context, there are two Democratic reps from Maine. 

 

ME-01 - Chellie Pingree - Ranked 33rd most progressive House Drm

ME-02 - Jared Golden - Ranked 209th (out of 211) most progressive House Dem.

 

Pingree has been in the House since 2009 and spent the previous two decades as part of the state senate, where for four years she was the state senate majority leader. 

 

Maybe the popular progressive woman who supports Medicare for All should run for Senate instead. 

 

 

 

[superglowy]

Appears a big part of it was a protest vote. Hope it was worth it.

Edited November 7 by superglowy

[superglowy]

Appears a big part of it was a protest vote. Hope it was worth it.

Edited November 7 by superglowy

[Sannie]

4 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

DDHQ is projecting 214D-221R for the House and 47D-53R for the senate.

 

In comparison when Trump won in 2016, it was 194D-241R for the House and 48D-52R in the senate.

 

The house being so much closer this time around probably saves us from ACA repeal at least. 

This makes me feel a li'l better. But I just don't see any Republican diverging from the vote when it comes to repealing Obamacare because they will face Trump's very public wrath. He will scare them into submission. 

 

3 minutes ago, khalyan said:

The one thing about Trump being president that's better than someone like Vance being president is that Trump is so deranged it's hard for him to be successful in getting anything done. Y'all are highlighting how even Elon might not be able to work with him and it's so true, he'll do whatever he feels like half the time, and then be someone else's puppet the other half of the time and that could create so much disconcertion with his agenda. 

I was arguing about this with the bestie the other day because he thinks Vance would be much less bad and I just don't see that. Trump, above all things, is stupid lol so he struggles to even stay on topic most of the time, let alone long enough to get anything done. Vance would be able to get everything done that he wants.

 

[khalyan]

My next deep dive I guess will be how the US could successfully create a third party? Everything has become hyper polarized now that IDK if that is even possible? Even the change since 2016 is pretty remarkable. In Texas, there was 353,831 third party votes in 2016, however in 2024 there was only 150,566 third party votes in Texas. 

[khalyan]

Just now, Sannie said:

This makes me feel a li'l better. But I just don't see any Republican diverging from the vote when it comes to repealing Obamacare because they will face Trump's very public wrath. He will scare them into submission. 

 

I was arguing about this with the bestie the other day because he thinks Vance would be much less bad and I just don't see that. Trump, above all things, is stupid lol so he struggles to even stay on topic most of the time, let alone long enough to get anything done. Vance would be able to get everything done that he wants.

 

Vance would get everything done that the Republican Party would want, he doesn't care what gets done. However, Vance as a candidate is awful because he's a black hole of enthusiasm and (honestly) rather ugly for a young person so people won't gravitate to him. 

[americanlife]

4 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

My boss is a Trump supporter so I thought he'd be happy when he won the election,  I even thought he'd be wearing all his Trump memorabilia, yet he didn't seem so happy. I asked he why he wasn't celebrating and he said he was unhappy with the senate, thinks everyone is a bunch of Rinos and that Trump won't work well with them. Idk what that even means 

It means that he thinks the Republican senators are not far right enough to embrace his extreme agenda. And just like his first term, he won't be able to get as much done, now that Republicans will have a smaller House and Senate lead compared to 2017-18.

[FameFatale]

1 minute ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

My boss is a Trump supporter so I thought he'd be happy when he won the election,  I even thought he'd be wearing all his Trump memorabilia, yet he didn't seem so happy. I asked he why he wasn't celebrating and he said he was unhappy with the senate, thinks everyone is a bunch of Rinos and that Trump won't work well with them. Idk what that even means 

"RINOS" means Republican In Name Only. Basically the Republican party has become a Trump ass kissing party and anyone who disagrees or criticizes Trump is called a RINO. There are a few people in the senate and congress that have been critical of Trump and they've been banished by MAGA because if you don't treat him like a king, then you aren't welcome in their party. Basically your boss is saying he wants Trump and MAGA to go wild in congress and pass things that hurt other people and America and but he may have push back from that group of people who will actually check him, like things should and used to be. 

[anti-bitch]

18 minutes ago, Sannie said:

This goes back to the whole "this is what she should've done" and I think at this point it's fruitless and quite frankly unhealthy for all of us to argue over. I truly do not think she could've done anything to stop this. People voted for Trump despite him promising to take their rights away. How do you convince people who are willing to vote for their own deaths that you should vote for someone else? You simply cannot.

 

I don't know what the answer moving forward is. Maybe just hoping Trump fucks everything up so badly the country has buyers' remorse?

Trump only won because Kamala did not inspire people to vote for her. 15 f*cking million less votes than Joe Biden. It was mostly the same people that voted Trump in 2020 and now.

 

And you're right a lot of it was about money. That's why economic populism would be the answer, but from the left! And don't be scared of the word "left" because all it means is that everyone will have their basic financial and material needs met. I mean someone like Bernie Sanders but younger.

And you can do all that in a capitalist framework. People can still own things. People can start their little business if they want to. But the hoarding of money and resources to the hands of few has to stop.

 

Running from the center has been tried and failed twice, 2016 and now. Biden ran from center-left in 2020 and that worked! Now try running with even more "the government is here to help you" message and Democrats will always win.

Edited November 7 by anti-bitch

[BOOMBAYAH]

The craziest thing about the Russia-Ukraine situation is that if Trump forces Ukraine to give up territory to end the war, most of the uninformed general public will likely associate him with ending wars and establishing peace. They won't realize how problematic it is that Ukraine was essentially cornered into surrendering to Russia—who will continue to advance further into Europe as long as the U.S. remains passive and European leaders remain complacent. Another concerning aspect is how many people have fallen for the propaganda painting Zelensky and Ukraine as scammers taking American and European taxpayer money. We're at a point now where a significant number of people might carry on with their lives as usual even if Russia fully took over, simply because there's so much animosity directed at Zelensky—amplified by Trump calling him 'the greatest salesman.

[Communion]

10 minutes ago, ctlp27 said:

If you think moving further left would be a win, that is a misinterpretation of the results. Inflation has been a significant issue,

Some of you aren't real people. This post has to be a psyop. 

[Virgos Groove]

Just now, Gaia said:

Not saying she lost JUST because of Far leftists boycotting her, but majority of the negative posts about Biden/Harris on social media aren't even from republicans, they were from leftists about Israel/Gaza.

Yeah, the majority of posts... on your timeline.

 

The biggest social network is Facebook. The biggest podcast is Joe Rogan. The biggest meme of the year was Hawk Tuah. Twitter is full of neo-Nazis.

 

Pro-Palestine protesters have been able to achieve a lot through social media, but it's a drop in the water compared to Trumpters' internet presence.

[Bloo]

9 minutes ago, ctlp27 said:

If you think moving further left would be a win, that is a misinterpretation of the results. Inflation has been a significant issue, impacting every government, even those that managed to keep it relatively low compared to neighbors like the USA and France. People think individually; they don't care that their wages have increased by 20% over four years when their salad costs $5 and average rent has increased by 25%. It's that simple. This is likely why the mid-term elections will be challenging for Republicans if they follow through on their promises. Two years is a short time, and people will realize that while governments have some power, global inflation is difficult to regulate at a micro-level.

Moving further to the right did not work—it resulted in an embarrassing loss. The most “left” person on either ticket is Tim Walz and he is also the one with the highest approval. People want to see wages higher; people want to see the elites punished (this is true on the left and the right); people don’t like billions of our tax dollars funding wars overseas.

 

The neoliberal argument against moving to embrace to the left towards left wing populism has failed THREE times—with Biden only winning by 44,000 votes split across three states while Trump took the blame for COVID.

 

It is time to shift strategies. If you think we should not do the obvious next step, then you’re not paying attention. 

[Bethenny Frankel]

29 minutes ago, Adrian14 said:

To think that if the Democrats had not made so many mistakes, Bush and Trump would never have been presidents
 

You cannot blame Dems for the 2000 election, blame SCOTUS for forcing the Florida recount to stop and thus electing Bush