anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said: Why would any women vote kamala besides that she is a women? Its mysoginy to think they are controlled... The economy is tanking , people are struggling, the dems offered nothing but memes... all other causes are secondarybto that includding abortion And what exactly is Trump gonna do for low income and middle class people? I don't want anyone to suffer out of spite, but the Trump populist bubble has got to burst at some point. It's like people have forgotten why they voted against him so much in 2020. Cue a reminder. 8
Mellark Posted November 7 Posted November 7 On 11/5/2024 at 6:22 PM, Relampago. said: @Mellark Kari Lake Petty OUT Arizona is healing... no one likes her omg 1
anastaciabby Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Lightbringer007 said: oh queen 2 minutes ago, Mellark said: At least Kari Lake Minaj Petty lost AZ Senate It's no longer MAGAG City, it's RUBEN City Arizona said NO to crazy lunatic journalists! I was so happy about this and I don't even live there, we are so down bad 1
Mellark Posted November 7 Posted November 7 On 11/5/2024 at 4:02 AM, jakeisphat said: The way I'm so perched for Miss Kari Lake Petty's coke rant tonight. #KariOnStationhead coming soon 4
Mellark Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, anastaciabby said: oh queen I was so happy about this and I don't even live there, we are so down bad It's funny because I don't live there either but I'm close 1
Bethenny Frankel Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I'm tired of fighting, I feel like that's all we've been doing for the past 8 years. 6 2
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 7 Posted November 7 7 minutes ago, anti-***** said: The average male voter, let's be real. I know white women vote for Trump quite a lot, but it's because they are perhaps the most controlled by their husband. Not to get all Andrew Tate here, but women can naturally be just as capitalistic, greedy, and superficial as men. Look at the rise of the "old money" aesthetic in fashion and the "tradwife" lifestyle promoted by women like Nara Smith; a lot of women romanticize conservatism and tradition. A lot of women like the idea of men being macho and providing for them. Even progressive, sexually liberated women can fall into this trap (see female rappers who rap about wanting macho men and only dating men who can afford to buy them Birkins and Chanel). 8 1
anastaciabby Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Mellark said: It's funny because I don't live there either but I'm close I'm close too, maybe we need to seek shelter there tho the police is pretty bad against minorities there so nvm
Bethenny Frankel Posted November 7 Posted November 7 every single person that voted for trump deserves what is coming for them, they just won't care until it directly effects them and then we can say "I told you so" 4 1
Thuggin Posted November 7 Posted November 7 "Biden/Kamala were too far left / too socialist. America is center right." Are we at the point where anything that's not total fiscal austerity is too far left? Jesus So we're not allowed to talk about "identity politics". We're not allowed to have even center left economic proposals - nothing on infrastructure, nothing on climate change, nothing on labor, etc. Are we allowed to differentiate ourselves from Republicans in any way or are we just the red team and blue team chasing the red team to match their platform as they plunge us deeper and deeper into the right? 8
anastaciabby Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, Bethenny Frankel said: I'm tired of fighting, I feel like that's all we've been doing for the past 8 years. I left, got high and felt better then came back and the same girls are still going I'm exhausted from canvassing and hearing Texas maga morons talk for months yet we have to do it online with our side too
Relampago. Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Dems seriously just need a candidate who's totally anti-Democratic Party. It'll be a massive uphill battle but Bernie's biggest flaw was even he would play nice with the Dems now and again. Need this person to be brave enough to dig deep and drag the **** out of dems, just like Trump did to Republicans in 2016. 11 1
TheCheshireCat Posted November 7 Posted November 7 35 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I fear identity politics need to be addressed as a thing of the past in a sense. We shouldn't pretend it's perfect, but addressing any trans/queer issue needs to be faced as "the American people do not care what anyone does with their body, they're tired of hearing about this issue, they just want to be able to afford to live" and stop dwelling on it. That boogeyman needs to go and Dems can't rely on these social issues to save them anymore. The average person truly does not care and Dems need to stop addressing it like Pam in suburban Philadelphia cares about transgenders when she's paying $11 for a carton of eggs. Make it a non-issue and people will stop caring about that entirely, because they honestly already don't care that much. I totally agree, when it comes to LGBT issues many of the straight people in my life that were totally cool with gays have mentioned the "pronoun stuff" was where they started to disengage with LGBT advocacy. All the "45+ different genders" and "teaching kids about alternative pronouns at school" news articles really did a number on how the GP views the LGBT community and its been difficult for me to try and reason with them. Protecting this stuff just isnt of huge concern to them and at best makes them tune out and at worst makes them actively fight it. 12
GhostBox Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Dems seriously just need a candidate who's totally anti-Democratic Party. It'll be a massive uphill battle but Bernie's biggest flaw was even he would play nice with the Dems now and again. Need this person to be brave enough to dig deep and drag the **** out of dems, just like Trump did to Republicans in 2016. Yea that wouldn't bring in older black voters which are crucial for a win too . 💀 thats one big reason Bernie lost both times 🤷 Edited November 7 by GhostBox
anastaciabby Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Dems seriously just need a candidate who's totally anti-Democratic Party. It'll be a massive uphill battle but Bernie's biggest flaw was even he would play nice with the Dems now and again. Need this person to be brave enough to dig deep and drag the **** out of dems, just like Trump did to Republicans in 2016. oh I pushed so hard for Bernie in 2016, he was my first election but wow the 2nd time he ran and dropped out to let Biden have it was a blow to me and alot of his supporters, he lost a bit of good will, which I hate because he would've been such an ideal president for the u.s especially before trumpism
Relampago. Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Thuggin said: "Biden/Kamala were too far left / too socialist. America is center right." Are we at the point where anything that's not total fiscal austerity is too far left? Jesus So we're not allowed to talk about "identity politics". We're not allowed to have even center left economic proposals - nothing on infrastructure, nothing on climate change, nothing on labor, etc. Are we allowed to differentiate ourselves from Republicans in any way or are we just the red team and blue team chasing the red team to match their platform as they plunge us deeper and deeper into the right? I truly think people just do not give a **** about identity politics, and they should be kept far away as a centerpiece of any campaign. Sure, talk about how economic policies tie specifically into these groups and address their issues, but that should be a footnote and the actual policy. Saying "love is love ❤️ " isn't enough anymore. People just don't care when the other policies aren't there to back it up. They want something for them, and unfortunately they don't see giving trans people access to gender affirming care as something that'll put food on their tables. But in the same vein, they don't care about trans people receiving this care all that much either. It's a boogeyman issue that Democrats really don't need to make a centerpiece of their campaign. Seriously, the "woke" agenda propaganda really ****ing worked, and now people get generally annoyed at woke things as a knee jerk reaction, more than a deep hatred. Sure, there are a lot of homophobes out there for sure, and Dems should never accept that. But saying "you're racist/homophobic/sexist etc if you vote Trump!" is such a piss poor message. People don't care about any of that if they can't afford to feed their families. 5
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, TheCheshireCat said: I totally agree, when it comes to LGBT issues many of the straight people in my life that were totally cool with gays have mentioned the "pronoun stuff" was where they started to disengage with LGBT advocacy. All the "45+ different genders" and "teaching kids about alternative pronouns at school" news articles really did a number on how the GP views the LGBT community and its been difficult for me to try and reason with them. Protecting this stuff just isnt of huge concern to them and at best makes them tune out and at worst makes them actively fight it. The right-wing fear machine targeting LGBTQ+ people—especially trans and queer folks—is incredibly effective, and I worry that Democrats may either yield this fight entirely or remain only a pro-gay party unless they develop powerful messaging to counter it. I think the strongest messaging for trans rights to appeal to independents and moderates is the libertarian angle: these are adult humans with the right to live as they choose. But, of course, right-wing conspiracy theorists—and even some politicians—undermine this by claiming it's about grooming children and performing surgeries on them, or that it's taxpayer-funded, which sparks opposition. The messaging fearmongers and is visually violent, which is highly effective for right-wing groups aiming to make people fear leftists, leftist policies, or anyone who is different. And much like with the economy, when people are scared or don't fully understand how something works, they're more likely to fall for propaganda. 6
Relampago. Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Yea that wouldn't bring in older black voters which are crucial for a win too . 💀 thats one big reason Bernie lost both times 🤷 We need to start building new coalitions because listening to Obama democrats is not a lasting strategy clearly. Republicans moved on from the party of Reagan, to the party of Trump and it worked beautifully. Democrats cannot stick with trying to be the party of Obama anymore, they need to adapt or die, and that might mean shaving off some support of people who are not going to be dependable voters for the next two decades. Some other strategy has to be tested. Going after young people and Latinos is what Bernie excelled at, and ironically these are the two places where Harris is suffering the most. That's not a coincidence, and given that these are two of the most important voting blocs as Boomers begin to die off, it's not great that Democrats are just letting their support with these voters fly away. 8
Jay07 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 10 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Dems seriously just need a candidate who's totally anti-Democratic Party. It'll be a massive uphill battle but Bernie's biggest flaw was even he would play nice with the Dems now and again. Need this person to be brave enough to dig deep and drag the **** out of dems, just like Trump did to Republicans in 2016. Do you really think Trump dragged Republicans? His economic policies were as mainstream Republican as it gets (tax cuts, deregulation), it was just his personality and flagrant racism and sexism that were out of the normal and appealed to voters. Some far left socialist doing a takeover of the party and appealing to some imagined unactivated progressive majority is a pipe dream, sorry. The moment the infamous working class hears the word communist they shut down.
Suilen Posted November 7 Posted November 7 27 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I fear identity politics need to be addressed as a thing of the past in a sense. We shouldn't pretend it's perfect, but addressing any trans/queer issue needs to be faced as "the American people do not care what anyone does with their body, they're tired of hearing about this issue, they just want to be able to afford to live" and stop dwelling on it. That boogeyman needs to go and Dems can't rely on these social issues to save them anymore. The average person truly does not care and Dems need to stop addressing it like Pam in suburban Philadelphia cares about transgenders when she's paying $11 for a carton of eggs. Make it a non-issue and people will stop caring about that entirely, because they honestly already don't care that much. So what you're implying is that if Trump succeeds in banning all forms of gender-affirming care on the federal level, Democrats shouldn't address it at all during the next elections in 2026 and 2028, and trans people should hope and pray that Democrats still have their best interests at heart? Or what? How do you make it a non-issue when it's going to be an issue? There's some weird vibe going in this thread regarding trans people when Kamala herself only skirted around the issue. It's the right that keeps fearmongering over trans people, but counteracting it with 'who cares about that, right?' isn't the way. Trans people deserve to be reassured that they won't have their right or health care taken away, and if that scares away some potential voters for the party, well... It's always been obvious that The Democratic Party can't realistically represent the sheer plurarity of life experiences/views, and compromises have to be made, but nobody wants to be a part of that compromise. 4
Thuggin Posted November 7 Posted November 7 https://www.reddit.com/r/self/s/3Xq5iKyfKT This Reddit post kind of says it all tbh. This is the average person who didn't vote Trump in 2020 but voted for him in 2024. Yes, cultural resentment was and is a factor for many Trump voters too, but I think those people are firmly Republican at this point. At least these people are honest. They don't care about abortion and other people's rights that much. It will always be of negligible concern compared to their pocketbooks. Also, on all the "I need to be able to put food on the table for my family / gas in my car" takes, I can understand why a working class person who's not that tuned into policy may feel desperate for a change, but let's keep it real. Most of the people saying this are not a paycheck away from poverty. They are living very comfortably albeit slightly less comfortably than before inflation (or at least they believe they are). The truth is the vast majority of people are very individualistic and self-interested. They may be empathetic to other people's fights for equality / rights, but they will never choose them if it means financial sacrifice. As long as Republicans are winning on the economic message, our rights will always be on the line. 10
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 7 Posted November 7 8 minutes ago, Achilles. said: The prophecy says it will be Pete Buttigieg. + the centrists keep moving further right with each cycle
Fleahive Posted November 7 Posted November 7 not to sound annoyingly, optimistic or positive about a group of people that cast their vote for oppression, but I'm reminded that not all of them are extremists. I was just watching a Terri Joe live on TikTok and she was talking to a man that had MAGA hat on. She made fun of him for having no teeth and he responded back that it's because he's on chemo. She burst out laughing and left the livestream. As he sat there in silence a bunch of her fans said he should have died before he cast his vote. After the shock wore off he responded to the comments saying he's not offended by Terri Joe trolling and he supports the LGBT community he just prefers trumps policies or something like that. He seemed so sweet minus the hate and I felt so bad Some of them truly ignorant to the bigger picture. I believe them when they say they support x community but vote against it. They are absolutely clueless. Keyword SOME. NOT ALL. NOT MOST.
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