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[Bloo]

Just now, Blade Runner said:

My god. 

Okay then. 

 

I'm more than happy to criticize the Democratic Party but commentary from randos on Twitter cannot be used to characterize the Democratic Party leadership.

[VOSS]

 

[rivers]

I'm probably going to go back to lurking and disengage entirely the next couple of years. I hope for the best. Cheers 

 

[Lightbringer007]

I doubt that at this point if Kamala or Hillary weren't able to win, then Hayley stands no chance at it either even despite being a hard conservative

 

Misogyny is real and alive no matter which way you put it

[Bloo]

 

*sighs*

[Cruel Summer]

I want so badly to disengage, but it doesn't feel safe or right.

 

I'm going to start reading that damn Project 2025 book tonight, I think. I want to feel informed about what they're trying to do so I can find some way to fight back. And I want to get involved - I'll never run for office, not in a million ******* years, but I want to find those on my side of the ideological spectrum who can, or who already are, and I want to help fix things.

 

It's going to be a long, hard few years ahead.

[John Slayne]

1 minute ago, Cruel Summer said:

Well, I can't totally argue with that. But I also won't lie - I'm kind of excited to see what she finds in her data, or see why she went so wrong, because it can teach us all a lot about polling and whether it's salvageable in the modern era. But yes, I expect this to effectively end her career, even if she's active for a few cycles yet and manages to nail the margins the rest of her professional life.

I actually find the polling for this election fairly accurate. It was a tight race, with GA, AZ, and NC always being a long shot for Harris. She had a chance to win the rust belt and NV, but they are all swing states and she's losing them by less than 2%, which was always very much on the table as a real possibility and most polls predicted that (if we consider margin of error).

 

The only surprise for me is how poorly Kamala is doing in popular vote, but I am guessing the rest of the votes from West Coast will close some of those gaps. A poor showing for Democrats, but not really as shocking to me as it is to some people. The hopium on twitter was real in the run up to the election, but the polls were showing a very different picture...

[Mr. Mendes]

18 minutes ago, Communion said:

Kamala Harris lost because she and Biden ran a right-wing administration catered to maintaining norms when people craved change from the right-wing status quo of America.

 

Either Democratic voters accept this or accept the end of their party.

 

Any attempts to obfuscate from this, even with good intentions, just perpetuates the cycle. The reason why Harris lost can be easily summarized as just this:

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

There's no fixing this. The Democrats' only takeaway from this will be that they need to abandon the left, and the left will officially once and for all have nowhere to go.

No, no friends, I'm sorry but I'm not playing that game with you all. I love and respect you deeply as people and that won't change, but I'm not really here to entertain this from you or anyone else right now. 

 

I'm mad at a lot of people. Myself. Democrats. Centrists. Leftists. You all talked about how 2016 was your moment of collapse, and I respect that fully, but this is mine. 

 

Every single section of left voters has something to atone for here and every single left wing politician does too. And if you don't think that's true, you're lying to yourself. It's delusion. 

 

It's not just the Democrats who need to get it together and wake up. It's you all too. It's liberals. It's centrists. I'm not accepting any of this "it's x who needs to do x differently" or "we're not at fault." 

 

You are. I am. Kamala Harris is. Joe Biden is. The Dem sphere is. Third party voters are. Period. End of story. 
 

And I hope to god people start taking some goddamn responsibility for themselves and their selfish awful choices they just made, myself absolutely included. This isn't the bottom falling out for me on Dems, this is the bottom falling out for me of the entire left side of American politics. Thank God my mother got me educated so I don't fall down a conservative rabbit hole (I'd rather kill myself than vote for a Republican) because everyone from centrists over has completely ******* lost me. 

 

this selection has shown me that every single person who runs in centrist, liberal Democrat, and leftist spaces has any real interest in helping anybody. It's all selfish elitist to be right and for only your people to make it. Everyone wants to talk about how centrists and liberals and leftists are so different when the reality is they're not. They're all rotted to their core just in different ways.

 

They don't give a **** about everyone else. They stand up and they claim they care about women and trans and queer people and then they happily screw people over and point the other ones because they convinced that they're right and it's impossible for anyone else to be right. 
 

I don't wanna hear "leftists will have nowhere to go". You all will have each other and you'll sit in the corner picking fights with everyone else like always. The liberals will sit in the corner with each other picking fights with everyone else like alway. Y'all will always have each other to spar with. 

 

No, the real people with nowhere to go are the ones who've found out we can't trust any of you all. Centrist, lib, leftist, not a one can be trusted to pull their heads out of their ass for five minutes for the goos of someone else. 

 

So excuse me while me and my loved ones try and figure out where the **** we're supposed to go and what the **** we're supposed to do next.

 

Thanks for absolutely nothing everyone.

[Devin]

 

a more detailed list 

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

I'm dumb, what's this graph showing

Biden in 2022 began pivoting from COVID-era populism (to answer your other post) which many voters liked (!) to scapegoating immigrants for financial hardship.

 

Many leftists were vocal critics over the way the Biden admin aimed to restrict asylum processes or migration. The CHNV program came from this pressure, and allowed people from these most common immigrant groups coming to the US to enter a parole program and a protected status for 2 years if they have a financial sponsor.

 

The graph is showing how many people from those 4 countries were encountered trying to enter the country illegally + denied entrance (dark blue) versus those who were encountered at a lawful port of entry cause they could now have parole status. Basically people stopped trying to entering illegally once the parole program existed.

 

So leftists, even in the face of right-wing immigrants wanting to keep the American left out of power, veer to a humanitarian immigration policy.

 

Ironically, the right-wing Biden admin has chosen not to renew the CHNV program and thus the people in the US here on it, when it expires in January 2025, will now be facing a harsh Trump deportation system that the Biden admin basically allowed them to be victim to and enabled by running to a hardline, right-wing take on immigration.

 

 

 

Edited November 7 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

This was the Dem strategy in a nutshell after all. guess the "Trump is using Hitler's language" line from the Skibidi Biden song didn't stick the landing

 

 

[BeenTheShit]

Shocker. 

 

Edited November 7 by BeenTheShit

[Relampago.]

17 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

What do you mean by "Who's doing this?". Stop gaslighting. It is a thing.

 

This year we had a rigged election in Venezuela, and the usual lefties on Twitter (big, big accounts) were congratulating Maduro and begging to not stop the fight against the American "intervention". Venezuelans see that kind of responses, and that disgust infiltrates every other social media platform.

 

Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are another thing, and latinos in general are not a monolith.

Like I said, you only see this in fringe social media circles.. it's not as if Democrats are singing the praises of Maduro, that's just pure misinformation 

 

It's also ironic because we have Trump who praises the likes of Orban, Netanyahu and Putin and that doesn't seem to matter, as if close relationships to authoritarians are okay in some cases.

 

But regardless, if Kamala Harris is being made out to be a Marxist, then there's nothing that can be done to combat that. We might as well pivot and move left because being center right gets you a communist stamp anyways nowadays.

[anastaciabby]

8 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

My god. 

it's very odd people are acting like Twitter isn't an important way to show people's views right now 90 something % of all people all over the world have internet, they're all on there all day every day,

it matters.

 

wasnt everyone here earlier saying how we lost (in part) thanks to Internet culture and the hive minded people the government has created like the white bro incels that hate women etc?

[Bloo]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

So excuse me while me and my loved ones try and figure out where the **** we're supposed to go and what the **** we're supposed to do next.

 

Thanks for absolutely nothing everyone.

I understand that this is an emotional moment. Election losses usually are. If you need to tap out of politics a bit to ground yourself, that is perfectly fair and I hear you.
 

But this is an unfocused and useless analysis of what went wrong. We cannot just say everyone is at fault because we cannot do anything with that information. The outcome is much more nuanced than that. 

[CBC]

4 minutes ago, Chiidish said:

Leftists HAVE NOT been talking about identity politics this cycle.

 

the warning bells have been about not highlighting progressive ECONOMIC polices which are overwhelmingly popular (health care, price gouging, students loans, housing). Also the war in Gaza is primarily a glaring foreign policy issue as Americans are largely anti-war (in their heads) and would rather money go to domestic policies. Same thing for immigration, the overwhelming majority of American hate "illegal immigrants" yet want a reasonable pathways to citizenship. So again the issue isn't progressivism it's the democrats going RIGHT and alienating the ENTIRE country instead of trying to appeal to the material interests of the American populace with the progressive policies they support. What Americans are clearly no longer supporting is half assed liberalism that tries to copy republicans and both sides bipartisanship their way into power while ignoring their base and taking specific segments of that base for granted. Progressive ECONOMIC policies directly address the ECONOMY.
 

Leftists are NOT asking to campaign on identity politics, they are asking Dems to campaign on POLICIES that are universally popular that appeals to all segments of the population to STOP the hemorrhaging and low engagement. But sure blame the left, more further right, and lose again. 

You're right in everything you said. I didn't mean to say that lefties were riding on identity politics, just that social issues are always outclassed by financial ones which highly influence how everyone votes both left/right and yes people will vote against themselves if it means having some more spare change at the end of the month because that's a real tangible change resulting from the election. Anything more complex than that is not.

 

You're also completely right when you talk about half assed liberalism. Kamala's answer to trans right the other day was just pathetic. They have rights that are written in the law or wtv??? gurl what? Also the venn diagram thing and other answers she just circles around without saying anything with substance... great for memes not president.

 

[Bloo]

2 minutes ago, anastaciabby said:

wasnt everyone here earlier saying how we lost (in part) thanks to Internet culture and the hive minded people the government has created like the white bro incels that hate women etc?

No. People were saying that the Democrats refusing to engage with voters on online platforms was a bad decision. That doesn’t mean we should use random tweets from random accounts, on a platform ruled by bots, to represent a large swath of voters. That platform is literally designed to drive engagement and all engagement is driven by hyperbole (doesn’t matter if it is leftist politics, discussions about golf, BTS stans).

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

K. 

 

If you don't listen to actual Venezuelans (and Cubans and Mexicans and Dominicans) about what they see, feel and live, this won't change. Supporting Trump as a Venezuelan also makes no sense because he has been talking endless amount of sh+t about us, but some people prefer to ignore that because the hate for the left and liberals in general is even bigger. 

 

Good luck. 

Biden has tightened the embargo on Cuba to the most conservative it has been in its existence, with even those critical of the Cuban government now agreeing that the current suffering in Cuba due to limited supplies is largely being caused by the restrictions of the embargo.

 

This is how affluent Cubans reacted to this punishment of the Cuban government by Biden.

 

Class politics also means knowing how to see that certain migration groups represent a fleeing affluent class leaving a country and don't actually represent some meaningful work class coalition motivated by working class politics. 

 

"Actually, if leftists actually cared about Latino voters, they'd stop talking about free healthcare and call to bomb Cuba" is an insane take.

 

Edited November 7 by Communion

[ultraviolence.xx]

whats this **** i keep seeing about 20 million votes? fake news?

[on the line]

3 hours ago, Devin said:

 

a more detailed list 

I retract what I said.

Edited November 7 by on the line

[Blankspace2010]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

 

No, no friends, I'm sorry but I'm not playing that game with you all. I love and respect you deeply as people and that won't change, but I'm not really here to entertain this from you or anyone else right now. 

 

I'm mad at a lot of people. Myself. Democrats. Centrists. Leftists. You all talked about how 2016 was your moment of collapse, and I respect that fully, but this is mine. 

 

Every single section of left voters has something to atone for here and every single left wing politician does too. And if you don't think that's true, you're lying to yourself. It's delusion. 

 

It's not just the Democrats who need to get it together and wake up. It's you all too. It's liberals. It's centrists. I'm not accepting any of this "it's x who needs to do x differently" or "we're not at fault." 

 

You are. I am. Kamala Harris is. Joe Biden is. The Dem sphere is. Third party voters are. Period. End of story. 
 

And I hope to god people start taking some goddamn responsibility for themselves and their selfish awful choices they just made, myself absolutely included. This isn't the bottom falling out for me on Dems, this is the bottom falling out for me of the entire left side of American politics. Thank God my mother got me educated so I don't fall down a conservative rabbit hole (I'd rather kill myself than vote for a Republican) because everyone from centrists over has completely ******* lost me. 

 

this selection has shown me that every single person who runs in centrist, liberal Democrat, and leftist spaces has any real interest in helping anybody. It's all selfish elitist to be right and for only your people to make it. Everyone wants to talk about how centrists and liberals and leftists are so different when the reality is they're not. They're all rotted to their core just in different ways.

 

They don't give a **** about everyone else. They stand up and they claim they care about women and trans and queer people and then they happily screw people over and point the other ones because they convinced that they're right and it's impossible for anyone else to be right. 
 

I don't wanna hear "leftists will have nowhere to go". You all will have each other and you'll sit in the corner picking fights with everyone else like always. The liberals will sit in the corner with each other picking fights with everyone else like alway. Y'all will always have each other to spar with. 

 

No, the real people with nowhere to go are the ones who've found out we can't trust any of you all. Centrist, lib, leftist, not a one can be trusted to pull their heads out of their ass for five minutes for the goos of someone else. 

 

So excuse me while me and my loved ones try and figure out where the **** we're supposed to go and what the **** we're supposed to do next.

 

Thanks for absolutely nothing everyone.

Ehm Communion and Clash both voted for Harris despite not aligning on her policies at all. So what now? Can we get back to blaming the dems? It's the party's fault. 

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Watching the local news interviews and everything is inflation and we needed a change. This is in NYC. I now worry about the mayoral race next year.

 

[Chiidish]

I know they aren't going to ask Walz to run, but they do need to ask him if he can help bridge the divide between the left and liberals in terms of language. He succinctly gets to the point and appeals to common folk without the edge of elitism. 
 

Convert seemingly "scary" left economic policies into safe unassuming policies that a farmer in the Midwest wouldn't get angry at. 

[ClashAndBurn]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

 

No, no friends, I'm sorry but I'm not playing that game with you all. I love and respect you deeply as people and that won't change, but I'm not really here to entertain this from you or anyone else right now. 

 

I'm mad at a lot of people. Myself. Democrats. Centrists. Leftists. You all talked about how 2016 was your moment of collapse, and I respect that fully, but this is mine. 

 

Every single section of left voters has something to atone for here and every single left wing politician does too. And if you don't think that's true, you're lying to yourself. It's delusion. 

 

It's not just the Democrats who need to get it together and wake up. It's you all too. It's liberals. It's centrists. I'm not accepting any of this "it's x who needs to do x differently" or "we're not at fault." 

 

You are. I am. Kamala Harris is. Joe Biden is. The Dem sphere is. Third party voters are. Period. End of story. 
 

And I hope to god people start taking some goddamn responsibility for themselves and their selfish awful choices they just made, myself absolutely included. This isn't the bottom falling out for me on Dems, this is the bottom falling out for me of the entire left side of American politics. Thank God my mother got me educated so I don't fall down a conservative rabbit hole (I'd rather kill myself than vote for a Republican) because everyone from centrists over has completely ******* lost me. 

 

this selection has shown me that every single person who runs in centrist, liberal Democrat, and leftist spaces has any real interest in helping anybody. It's all selfish elitist to be right and for only your people to make it. Everyone wants to talk about how centrists and liberals and leftists are so different when the reality is they're not. They're all rotted to their core just in different ways.

 

They don't give a **** about everyone else. They stand up and they claim they care about women and trans and queer people and then they happily screw people over and point the other ones because they convinced that they're right and it's impossible for anyone else to be right. 
 

I don't wanna hear "leftists will have nowhere to go". You all will have each other and you'll sit in the corner picking fights with everyone else like always. The liberals will sit in the corner with each other picking fights with everyone else like alway. Y'all will always have each other to spar with. 

 

No, the real people with nowhere to go are the ones who've found out we can't trust any of you all. Centrist, lib, leftist, not a one can be trusted to pull their heads out of their ass for five minutes for the goos of someone else. 

 

So excuse me while me and my loved ones try and figure out where the **** we're supposed to go and what the **** we're supposed to do next.

 

Thanks for absolutely nothing everyone.

Not sure where the leftists failed to meet the moment when we were actively told our vote wasn't needed and that touting Liz Cheney would bring in a more reliable voter cohort. We've been giving warnings about how this would go. I am literally on record saying for MONTHS that abortion wouldn't carry Dems forever and getting bombarded with laugh reacts from DNCBox and downvotes from Teezy. 
 

Granted I didn't think the abortion tide would evaporate immediately after 2022. I admit I thought it would at least be the 2026 midterms when voters rioted against Mamala for failing to get Roe revived through a Republican-held Senate.

 

Like I don't know. I voted for her and she still lost in an embarrassing collapse of 15million Biden voters who chose the couch. How am I, personally, at fault for a deficit of 15 million votes nationally?

[Bloo]

Just now, Chiidish said:

I know they aren't going to ask Walz to run, but they do need to ask him if he can help bridge the divide between the left and liberals in terms of language. He succinctly gets to the point and appeals to common folk without the edge of elitism. 
 

Convert seemingly "scary" left economic policies into safe unassuming policies that a farmer in the Midwest wouldn't get angry at. 

I’m waiting for the think pieces to come out that Tim Walz is the reason Kamala lost because he was too far left. I agree with you. I think, all things considered, Tim Walz was a fantastic choice and was an effective communicator on progressive policy. He was able to present in such a plain way that breathed new life into the Democratic Party. It’s a shame that muzzled him and told him to not be himself once he became the VP.