Blade Runner Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) I'm a Latino (Venezuelan immigrant living in Argentina), and I'm going to tell you one thing about the "radical" left on Twitter and other platforms: it is crazy how some of these people (rightfully) defend Palestine against the horrors produced by the US and Israel, but at the same time, they humiliate, mock, and gaslight people from Venezuela and Cuba who are fighting against their respective oppressors. These oppressors, of course, have been telling the world for YEARS that they're "anti-imperialists" and that they're against the American agenda when in reality, this is just a lie told by regimes that use it as an escape to garner sympathy from left-wing groups. People like Hugo Chávez, Nicolás Maduro, or Fidel Castro aren't revolutionaries. They are/were criminals and corrupt dictators who are/were fooling some groups while simultaneously destroying everything around them. I left Venezuela because I was starving and I was being persecuted. The thing is, some of these leftists keep defending the Venezuelan and Cuban regimes because it fits their agenda. Venezuelans and Cubans have eyes, and they have history, and they have suffering behind them. In response, for the most part they reject everything that isn't right-wing because they feel like liberals and leftists are not taking their complicated and violent backgrounds seriously. Venezuelans are now the second-highest encountered nationality at the US border. Why would they vote for a party that associates with the leftists saying Maduro is an example of a true world leader? It makes no sense. Edited November 6 by Blade Runner 2 2
Relampago. Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Just now, CBC said: now people need to start thinking about the more scary repercussions, ukraine invasion/nato/israel/taiwan... we might actually get to see the start of wwIII Oh it's coming, the next 4 years are gonna be a disaster
John Slayne Posted November 6 Posted November 6 anyone else finds it corny for centrist Dems to be running to social media to give us statements full of nothing? especially since they spent the last 3 months calling Trump a fascist... Bernie seems to be the only one to understand the urgency of the situation, Dems need a wake up call. the world is on a very dark path and they seem happy to just throw elections 5
suburbannature Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Is anyone else having a tougher time than expected today? The weight of four more years (and beyond) of invigorated, even emblazoned hate feels quite daunting. It's not even the election itself but what it illustrates about where our country stands right now. And those people being our neighbors, coworkers, even friends. I woke up this morning to younger, straight male friends posting MAGA propaganda on their stories and was again reminded how deeply he speaks to that demographic. I think I always found some solace in knowing that younger voters overwhelmingly leaned left, but we've underestimated how the podcast culture has impacted young men and I have a pit in my stomach imagining how misogyny and anti-LGBTQ rhetoric will continue to be emboldened on a mainstream level. We can (and should) continue to perform an autopsy on the failed campaign, but I'm stuck in this place of immense anxiety stemming from recognizing that this movement will have nearly unfettered power. 12
Capris Groove Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) Sort of looking forward to completely dissociating from politics after this disaster of a night. Oh I'll turn up to vote, no doubt, but it's suddenly hit me why so many older people don't get invested in politics. They've seen it all before. Edited November 6 by Capris Groove 7
VOSS Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Get ready to hear a lot about Latinxs being white supremacists in the next couple years. I think it'll work about as well as telling Jews and Asians that they're oppressors. 4
CBC Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Just now, Relampago. said: Oh it's coming, the next 4 years are gonna be a disaster kinda funny to see europeans cope "maybe this will wake up europe" oh baby these politicians will sell-out for a wendys 4for4
Lil Mistee Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Well girls, my Iowa profile pic was embarrassing, Ann WILL be getting served papers from me. 5
i spit on haters Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I don't listen to Bey's music heavily but 'Freedom' was one of my fav. songs from her and the perfect theme song for Harris's campaign. I can't even listen to it anymore now because there will be too much bad memories associated with that song after this devastating lost. It hit home even more hearing it play as she was walking out of her concession speech. It was watching America's freedom slowly leave from our grasps because we know what's to come. 2 3
Lil Mistee Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Anyways, I am gonna go play Stardew Valley nonstop for 24 hrs to disassociate. I had fun talking to everyone here and I hope we can work towards a better path forward. 1
Relampago. Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Blade Runner said: I'm a Latino (Venezuelan immigrant living in Argentina), and I'm going to tell you one thing about the "radical" left on Twitter and other platforms: it is crazy how some of these people (rightfully) defend Palestine against the horrors produced by the US and Israel, but at the same time, they humiliate, mock, and gaslight people from Venezuela and Cuba who are fighting against their respective oppressors. These oppressors, of course, have been telling the world for YEARS that they're "anti-imperialists" and that they're against the American agenda when in reality, this is just a lie told by regimes that use it as an escape to garner sympathy from left-wing groups. People like Hugo Chávez, Nicolás Maduro, or Fidel Castro aren't revolutionaries. They are/were criminals and corrupt dictators who are fooling some groups while simultaneously destroying everything around them. I left Venezuela because I was starving and I was being persecuted. The thing is, some of these leftists keep defending the Venezuelan and Cuban regimes because it fits their agenda. Venezuelans and Cubans have eyes, and they have history, and they have suffering behind them. In response, for the most part they reject everything that isn't right-wing because they feel like liberals and leftists are not taking their complicated and violent backgrounds seriously. Venezuelans are now the second-highest encountered nationality at the US border. Why do they vote for a party that associates with the leftists saying Maduro is an example of a true world leader? It makes no sense. Who's doing this though Like, generally all leftists want is free healthcare and working on helping people get livable wages. No one is endorsing Maduro besides 🌹 twitter accounts that have quite literally 0 impact on real life There is a lot of brainwashing going on for sure, but Latinos like Puerto Ricans and Mexicans also moving towards Trump when they did not flee a dictatorship doesn't really match up. There's something deeper, and given that Bernie's policies were popular enough to net him huge swaths of the Latino vote, it's likely something to do with the economic policy (which is what lost Harris this election). Or maybe you're right, there's just no breaking the association of anything left = communist, and if that's the case then there's nothing we can do. Maybe Trump will be just authoritarian enough so we can remind people that fascism is not exclusively a left-wing phenomenon. 3 1
Pikachoo Posted November 6 Posted November 6 SENATE RACES UPDATE: PA: Casey (D) trailing McCormick by 27k votes now. DecisionDesk still has Casey probability winning at 64%. NV: Rosen (D) trailing Brown by less than 4k votes. DecisionDesk has ROsen probability winning at 64% this could bring the senate to 48-52. With the help of moderate Republican senators like Susan Collins, the worst of Trump's bills will be difficult to pass. House: DecisionDesk has it at 221 R to 214 D. That's really not bad at all, considering at least 10 republicans voted to impeach Trump the second time. in other words, the worst of Trump's proposed bills will probably be shut down. It won't be a progressive utopia, but we will survive until the 2026 primaries. don't lose hope. 7
Blankspace2010 Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Remember what a huge loser Kamala was in the 2020 primaries? We should have known how unpopular she was. Anyone that comes in here in 2028 and mentions Ann Selzer is getting an immediate perma ban from the forum.
Blankspace2010 Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Pikachoo said: SENATE RACES UPDATE: PA: Casey (D) trailing McCormick by 27k votes now. DecisionDesk still has Casey probability winning at 64%. NV: Rosen (D) trailing Brown by less than 4k votes. DecisionDesk has ROsen probability winning at 64% this could bring the senate to 48-52. With the help of moderate Republican senators like Susan Collins, the worst of Trump's bills will be difficult to pass. House: DecisionDesk has it at 221 R to 214 D. That's really not bad at all, considering at least 10 republicans voted to impeach Trump the second time. in other words, the worst of Trump's proposed bills will probably be shut down. It won't be a progressive utopia, but we will survive until the 2026 primaries. don't lose hope. Sistren it's an awful outcome. Dems were supposed to take the house. That was our ONLY consolation prize. We didn't even get that. Now the house, senate, president and Supreme Court are republican. If there was ever a setting for the dismantling of US democracy - this is it. 7
Mr. Blue_Shirt Posted November 6 Posted November 6 9 minutes ago, punisher said: if nikki hayley runs 2028 i wonder whether they'll put gretchen in so its female vs female, or just josh shapiro so they win elon musk was not born in the US, im sure they'll find some sort of exception for him though And somehow Nikki Hayley would win the election and becoming the first female president because The Democrats wouldn't learn a damn thing since 2016, yet again I'm tired of this party 1
nooniebao Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, GhostBox said: Ossoff/AOC 2028 🇺🇸💃🏽 Huge problem for Dems is that they don't really have a big enough bench of great talent. AOC's been characterized/branded by the right as a wacky leftist for over half a decade now. 1
Communion Posted November 6 Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: but at the same time, they humiliate, mock, and gaslight people from Venezuela and Cuba who are fighting against their respective oppressors. 5 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: Venezuelans are now the second-highest encountered nationality at the US border. Why would they vote for a party that associates with the leftists saying Maduro is an example of a true world leader? It makes no sense. People talk about radicalized, extremist online factions, but stuff like this is actually just brain-rotted online fodder that exemplifies it for being removed from reality. Guess who is the only political faction supporting the CHNV parole program. 1
suburbannature Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I will never wrap my head around the amount of straight, young men endlessly posting about grooming, trans agenda, and indoctrination just to vote for a man who was best friends with Epstein for ten years, is accused of sexual assault by 28 women and children, is an adjudicated sexual abuser, and is a convicted felon. 10 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 6 Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Ossoff/AOC 2028 🇺🇸💃🏽 Nice try, but the energy is here for Shapiro/Cheney. AOC ain't upgrading out of her cosseted little district, and with the rightward shift of New York State, she can kiss all hopes of a a statewide victory goodbye.
Lil Mistee Posted November 6 Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Communion said: People talk about radicalized, extremist online factions, but stuff like this is actually just brain-rotted online fodder that exemplifies it for being removed from reality. Guess who is the only political faction supporting the CHNV parole program. I'm dumb, what's this graph showing
Blankspace2010 Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Mr. Blue_Shirt said: And somehow Nikki Hayley would win the election and becoming the first female president because The Democrats wouldn't learn a damn thing since 2016, yet again I'm tired of this party Nikki Warhawk Hayley is extremely electable and will easily beat any Dem candidate in the president race. Typical democrats will vote for her due to identity politics (learning nothing) and republicans as usual will work together if they have to, to defeat the dems. Nikki is the exact type of female candidate that will be the first female US president.
Rotunda Posted November 6 Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, Blankspace2010 said: Remember what a huge loser Kamala was in the 2020 primaries? We should have known how unpopular she was. Anyone that comes in here in 2028 and mentions Ann Selzer is getting an immediate perma ban from the forum. Kamala the person oddly isn't that unpopular (as far as Post-2015 politicians go). People do however associate her with the Biden economy. 1
Blade Runner Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Relampago. said: Who's doing this though Like, generally all leftists want is free healthcare and working on helping people get livable wages. No one is endorsing Maduro besides 🌹 twitter accounts that have quite literally 0 impact on real life There is a lot of brainwashing going on for sure, but Latinos like Puerto Ricans and Mexicans also moving towards Trump when they did not flee a dictatorship doesn't really match up. There's something deeper, and given that Bernie's policies were popular enough to net him huge swaths of the Latino vote, it's likely something to do with the economic policy (which is what lost Harris this election). Or maybe you're right, there's just no breaking the association of anything left = communist, and if that's the case then there's nothing we can do. Maybe Trump will be just authoritarian enough so we can remind people that fascism is not exclusively a left-wing phenomenon. What do you mean by "Who's doing this?". Stop gaslighting. It is a thing. This year we had a rigged election in Venezuela, and the usual lefties on Twitter (big, big accounts) were congratulating Maduro and begging to not stop the fight against the American "intervention". Venezuelans see that kind of responses, and that disgust infiltrates every other social media platform. Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are another thing, and latinos in general are not a monolith. 1 1
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