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[State of Grace.]

2 minutes ago, Sannie said:

If Kamala is a "rape queen," then by the very same stretched logic, the leftists in this thread are racist, xenophobic, transphobic misogynists since their ideals and actions will lead to a trump administration. If yall wanna admit to that, then I'll admit to your idea of what Kamala is. 
 

but you guys don't ever apply your own shaky logic to yourselves.

Yes because I, a ****** from a 3rd world country, have the same power as the current VP and presidential candidate Kamala Harris

[Blade]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

I will agree with you to say it's not fair to describe her that way right now, since she's not President right this second.

 

All I'm asking is, does that change when she does become President and carries out the exact same policy agenda that Joe Biden is right now? The way she's campaigning, leaning on the "Israel has a right to defend itself" platitudes certainly leads one to believe that yes, there will in fact be zero difference.

I think and hope she will have a different approach to Israel then self-proclaimed Zionist Joe Biden (yes you guys can call Biden a Zionist he literally called himself one)

I mean Nancy Pelosi herself, the literal epitome of Democratic establishment, is harder on Netanyahu than Biden. I think Kamala can and SHOULD be the change for the US-Israel relationship. Will that happen? I have no clue. I get hopeful when I see she reaches out to Arab and Muslim American groups to hear their grievances and seeing she was clearly not happy with Netanyahu during her meeting with him this summer. I also get much less hopeful as the days go on and Biden, who ADMITTED he thinks Israel is trying to influence the election towards Trump, can't even switch up. It makes me question if the US-Israel relationship is even malleable or if it will only strengthen. All I know is I want Biden out of dealing with the Middle East and I for sure don't want Trump to have another go at it either. 

I think something that gets lost in the conversation about Kamala supporters is that they're willing to put domestic policy over foreign policy. Which in some cases, like women's and LGBTQ rights, is fair. However, I actually am not supporting Kamala because I am putting my views on foreign policy in the backseat. I *do* believe she would be tougher on Israel which is part of the reason I want her to win.

I hope I'm right and she is better for the Middle East than Biden but all I have to go off is the above ~vibes~ which isn't much to go off.

[lyk251]

3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I will agree with you to say it's not fair to describe her that way right now, since she's not President right this second.

 

All I'm asking is, does that change when she does become President and carries out the exact same policy agenda that Joe Biden is right now? The way she's campaigning, leaning on the "Israel has a right to defend itself" platitudes certainly leads one to believe that yes, there will in fact be zero difference.

Ofc nothing will change , unless far left of USA controlled most of wall street , banks and corporations in USA.

[ClashAndBurn]

12 minutes ago, Blade said:

I think and hope she will have a different approach to Israel then self-proclaimed Zionist Joe Biden (yes you guys can call Biden a Zionist he literally called himself one)

I mean Nancy Pelosi herself, the literal epitome of Democratic establishment, is harder on Netanyahu than Biden. I think Kamala can and SHOULD be the change for the US-Israel relationship. Will that happen? I have no clue. I get hopeful when I see she reaches out to Arab and Muslim American groups to hear their grievances and seeing she was clearly not happy with Netanyahu during her meeting with him this summer. I also get much less hopeful as the days go on and Biden, who ADMITTED he thinks Israel is trying to influence the election towards Trump, can't even switch up. It makes me question if the US-Israel relationship is even malleable or if it will only strengthen. All I know is I want Biden out of dealing with the Middle East and I for sure don't want Trump to have another go at it either. 

I think something that gets lost in the conversation about Kamala supporters is that they're willing to put domestic policy over foreign policy. Which in some cases, like women's and LGBTQ rights, is fair. However, I actually am not supporting Kamala because I am putting my views on foreign policy in the backseat. I *do* believe she would be tougher on Israel which is part of the reason I want her to win.

I hope I'm right and she is better for the Middle East than Biden but all I have to go off is the above ~vibes~ which isn't much to go off.

I guess I just get different vibes and find it hard to have hope when you know. I've seen this film before and I didn't like the ending 

 

She didn't come off as too friendly to Netanyahu, true, but that's because he has an obvious preference as to whom he'd like to see as president, and it's definitely not her. It's not that he thinks she'd be any less permissive of the worst thing he'd like to do than Biden has been. He just knows he'd get even less pushback from Trump. The difference between the two will ultimately be that with Harris, Bibi will still walk all over her and do whatever he wants anyway. He'll get some light public scolding to satisfy her base enough that they'll look the other way, sure, but he'll still get all the weapons he wants, "unconditional- unconditiooooooon-aaaaaaaallyyyyy!" With Trump, he gets the weapons without the scolding. It's a win-win for Bibi.

 

It's perfectly fine to vote for Harris because of domestic issues. I just think expecting any difference on any foreign policy other than maybe Ukraine is kind of… overdosed on copium.

Edited October 5 by ClashAndBurn

[Communion]

I think it can be both true that the language used is purposefully inflammatory and meant to be upsetting and that people are in part upset with the accuracy of much of it because they have yet come to terms with the horrors the Biden-Harris admin have enabled in foreign policy. Real death tolls likely are as high as 20% of all of Gazans. 

 

I also don't think there is a unique double standard. 

 

We are literally just arguing over how Dick Cheney is evil because he, as VP, is just as responsible for GWB's foreign policy. 

 

If Dick Cheney is a war criminal for what the GWB admin did, would Harris not also bare responsibility for Biden's war crimes? 

[Relampago.]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

I think it can be both true that the language used is purposefully inflammatory and meant to be upsetting and that people are in part upset with the accuracy of much of it because they have yet come to terms with the horrors the Biden-Harris admin have enabled in foreign policy. Real death tolls likely are as high as 20% of all of Gazans. 

 

I also don't think there is a unique double standard. 

 

We are literally just arguing over how Dick Cheney is evil because he, as VP, is just as responsible for GWB's foreign policy. 

 

If Dick Cheney is a war criminal for what the GWB admin did, would Harris not also bare responsibility for Biden's war crimes? 

I don't believe Harris has her hands clean at all, but Dick Cheney was called "The Most Powerful VP" for a reason. The dynamic between Biden and Harris isn't the same, and I think it's pretty clear they have some differences of opinion that Harris is afraid to truly define.

 

And therein lies the problem, Harris doesn't really make her true beliefs well known. We're all just assuming, and as much as I'd like to assume she'll be harder on Netanyahu and Israel, I think it's unlikely unless the conversations around Israel start to ramp up even more. But if they haven't yet, I can't imagine what would from here on out.

 

But while Biden seems to have a strong affinity for Israel, I feel Harris is more interested in keeping the status quo, which means she'll support Israel just like everyone before. Is that better than Biden's clear love for them? I guess, but the results like mostly be the same anyways.

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

If Kamala is a "rape queen," then by the very same stretched logic, the leftists

You don't believe this. Sadly because you don't even believe that Israelis are committing mass rape of Palestinians since your past post indicated you don't believe Israel is committing genocide, but let's be clear. You don't believe this.

 

I got told "MAYBE YOU'RE IN THE WRONG THREAD IF YOU THINK SO MANY PEOPLE ARE ARGUING IN BAD FAITH" cause I got too close to a nerve for even the most critical of Harris' supporters - even the usually reasonable ones - but like always, time proves my original criticisms correct because you have people like you posting despite lacking understanding of or even concern for major political realities. And you eventually post insane hot takes like this.

 

So we reach the point of "If the 2nd most powerful politician is guilty for quite literally defending apartheid regime's debunked claims of mass rape, then leftist Americans and non-Americans with no power are just as MATERIALLY responsible for uh *spins wheel*". 

 

I used the criticism of parasocial for a reason. Partisan Dems have become a bit too much like MAGA in their celebrification of their politicians. 

 

I saw someone argue that Chappell Roan was more privileged as a queer white woman than *re-reads* the literal VP of the United States.

 

Politicians are not people. They're public servants. They're siphons of power. Harris is not a cool aunt. She is not someone you can relate to. She's one of the most powerful people in the world who bares a shared responsibility for thousands of deaths. Never even in my most feverish support of Sanders did I ever view him as a person I should project myself onto than a catalyst for political change. Which is why even the reasonable Harris supporters getting their claws out and becoming defensive over Harris when polls begin to show Stein siphoning votes away from her is like ????

 

She is not your big sis. She is not your bestie getting jumped. She is a politician who is failing you by being one-up'd by a kooky fringe 3rd party force because apparently it's more important to help Israel run mass rape prison camps in the desert than to convince young people to vote for your campaign.

Edited October 5 by Communion

[Lil Mistee]

Y'all try too hard

[Communion]

23 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I don't believe Harris has her hands clean at all, but Dick Cheney was called "The Most Powerful VP" for a reason. The dynamic between Biden and Harris isn't the same, and I think it's pretty clear they have some differences of opinion that Harris is afraid to truly define.

 

And therein lies the problem, Harris doesn't really make her true beliefs well known. We're all just assuming, and as much as I'd like to assume she'll be harder on Netanyahu and Israel, I think it's unlikely unless the conversations around Israel start to ramp up even more. But if they haven't yet, I can't imagine what would from here on out.

 

But while Biden seems to have a strong affinity for Israel, I feel Harris is more interested in keeping the status quo, which means she'll support Israel just like everyone before. Is that better than Biden's clear love for them? I guess, but the results like mostly be the same anyways.

I think the issue is, and you seem to agree, is that the argument "well, she isn't as involved or interested in foreign policy" isn't convincing when:

• Cheney showed the capacity a VP can influence the POTUS on foreign policy;
• Past VP's have bared the same burden for their POTUS' foreign policy even when in the shadows - Humphrey is literally Harris' parallel;
• Harris herself finds every opportunity to both defend the Biden admin's foreign policy and reassure voters her foreign policy will be the exact same;

It goes back to the frustrations that Republicans can always be pulled further to the right yet those who claim moral objection within the Democrats never push the party left.

[Communion]

@nooniebao I screamed at realizing the attempted rebranding from CAP that I never noticed they underwent in 2020 for Biden's campaign. I saw the "American Progress" twitter account a few weeks back and was like "...wait... is this ******* CAP??".

 

Reminds me of the internal document Jill Stein's campaign leaked showing Third Way doing internal polling in conjunction with... Move On. 

 

 

[Sannie]

Trump back in Butler, PA begging people to feel bad for his ear scratch.  

[GhostBox]

 

[GhostBox]

 

[FameFatale]

Love the interview suit 

 

 

[nooniebao]

10 minutes ago, Communion said:

@nooniebao I screamed at realizing the attempted rebranding from CAP that I never noticed they underwent in 2020 for Biden's campaign. I saw the "American Progress" twitter account a few weeks back and was like "...wait... is this ******* CAP??".

 

Reminds me of the internal document Jill Stein's campaign leaked showing Third Way doing internal polling in conjunction with... Move On. 

 

 

MoveOn were always VBNMW w/ a radlib/edgy aesthetic tbh so not too surprising.

[FameFatale]

 

 

[GhostBox]

Watched some clips from trumps rally and yea…..it will be forgotten like the rest of em 💀

 

the schtick is old . Not even a jumping Musk could save it 

 

also 

 

Edited October 5 by GhostBox

[Blade]

 

[Lil Mistee]

This queen is ANOTHER reason I am voting against trump, he hates her and she's the best ftc chair ever

 

 

but y'all can keep calling Kamala a rapist or w/e weirdos

[Relampago.]

Just finished canvassing (come to find out tomorrow Jessica Alba and Kerry Washington are doing it too  ). 

 

It honestly went… fairly well? I only had a couple of doors slammed in my face and only one person yelled at me. Everyone else was either already planning to vote for Kamala, didn't know they didn't have to mail in their ballot but could just drop it off at a polling location or vote early, or they had heard good things about Kamala's policies but didn't believe they were real (down payment assistance, child tax credit, etc.) 

 

Surprisingly… most people were actually most concerned with Trump himself. They didn't know too much about Kamala, but leaned towards her because they felt Trump wasn't worth the risk of voting for. I heard a lot of "Even if Kamala is bad at least she isn't preaching hate, I'm tired of the hateful comments more than anything" and "There used to not be a big difference between two candidates but now the Republicans are too crazy for me to feel safe, I never thought it could get this bad". 

 

Not a lot of concern about immigration, which isn't that surprising. It was South Phoenix, so a lot of Latino families who probably don't notice a difference at all because there isn't any. People were more concerned about people flooding in from California and making things more expensive because of that, which I got to bring up Kamala's plan to build more housing so that the housing supply can go up and bring down costs.

 

Overall, it made me more hopeful for Kamala's campaign here. I expected a lot more vitriol, and we WERE canvassing in a fairly blue area with low-propensity voters, but I expected way more "I hate politics bye!" instead it was just a lot of people lacking info and being too busy or out of the loop to try and figure out what was going on or how they'd vote. Also worth noting I was talking to mostly women, so that might be a factor too.

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

This queen is ANOTHER reason I am voting against trump, he hates her and she's the best ftc chair ever

 

Sister.... I may have some bad news for you....

 

 

[Lil Mistee]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sister.... I may have some bad news for you....

 

 

Trump literally said he'd get rid of all the appointees, this is he said she said bs.

 

LITERALLY in the same source: A campaign official disputed that characterisation and noted that when the vice-president discussed antitrust issues, she only talked about policy and not personnel.

 

Like, read your own ******* sources. Y'all are brainwashed.

Edited October 5 by Lil Mistee

[Bears01]

4 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

Just finished canvassing (come to find out tomorrow Jessica Alba and Kerry Washington are doing it too  ). 

 

It honestly went… fairly well? I only had a couple of doors slammed in my face and only one person yelled at me. Everyone else was either already planning to vote for Kamala, didn't know they didn't have to mail in their ballot but could just drop it off at a polling location or vote early, or they had heard good things about Kamala's policies but didn't believe they were real (down payment assistance, child tax credit, etc.) 

 

Surprisingly… most people were actually most concerned with Trump himself. They didn't know too much about Kamala, but leaned towards her because they felt Trump wasn't worth the risk of voting for. I heard a lot of "Even if Kamala is bad at least she isn't preaching hate, I'm tired of the hateful comments more than anything" and "There used to not be a big difference between two candidates but now the Republicans are too crazy for me to feel safe, I never thought it could get this bad". 

 

Not a lot of concern about immigration, which isn't that surprising. It was South Phoenix, so a lot of Latino families who probably don't notice a difference at all because there isn't any. People were more concerned about people flooding in from California and making things more expensive because of that, which I got to bring up Kamala's plan to build more housing so that the housing supply can go up and bring down costs.

 

Overall, it made me more hopeful for Kamala's campaign here. I expected a lot more vitriol, and we WERE canvassing in a fairly blue area with low-propensity voters, but I expected way more "I hate politics bye!" instead it was just a lot of people lacking info and being too busy or out of the loop to try and figure out what was going on or how they'd vote. Also worth noting I was talking to mostly women, so that might be a factor too.

Good job. You deserve a pat on the back (and so much more for being so cute 😊)

 

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sister.... I may have some bad news for you....

 

 

EW. EW!!!!!! Delete it. 
 

Who's she gonna appoint with a GOP held senate? Liz Cheney?

[Relampago.]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

I think the issue is, and you seem to agree, is that the argument "well, she isn't as involved or interested in foreign policy" isn't convincing when:

• Cheney showed the capacity a VP can influence the POTUS on foreign policy;
• Past VP's have bared the same burden for their POTUS' foreign policy even when in the shadows - Humphrey is literally Harris' parallel;
• Harris herself finds every opportunity to both defend the Biden admin's foreign policy and reassure voters her foreign policy will be the exact same;

It goes back to the frustrations that Republicans can always be pulled further to the right yet those who claim moral objection within the Democrats never push the party left.

Oh I agree. 

 

I was only making the distinction that Kamala doesn't seem to have some generational prejudice that brings out a bloodthirsty desire to murder brown people indiscriminately like Cheney or even Biden.

 

Is her being complicit with that bloodthirsty desire much better? No, not really. Especially when she defends it and seems to intend to perpetuate it. But my mind slots her into a different category than someone as heinous as Cheney who definitely had a huge influence over Bush and a larger hand in the horrific decisions made by that administration.

 

Not an excuse for her approach, but I *can* see where people are getting the idea that she can be pushed left, even though I'm not convinced that will come to fruition. With someone like Biden, I don't think we had even the slightest hope for anything like that.

[Communion]

It's funny that Dems are not more brutish on putting a leash on Israel explicitly because it feels inevitable the biggest Zionist Israeli-Americans will just agree to cross an unspeakable line if the Israeli government choices to that that turns this into a holocaust and many Zionist Israeli-American figures and pundits will find themselves running to the GOP anyways to do this, just like proud Afrikaner child Apartheid Clyde is:

 

The pro-apartheid white South African billionaire trying to destroy American politics of today will just be the pro-apartheid Zionist Israeli billionaire trying to destroy American politics tomorrow. 

Edited October 5 by Communion