Harriser Posted Thursday at 02:13 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:13 AM 1 hour ago, midnightdawn said: Watching Hillary interviews from 2016 and she's basically the only candidate from the last three elections who could do a decent job of interviews. Hillary does have talent in her mainstream media appearances. She actually has a tendency to be quite strong and straightforward in her answers in a way that people like Kamala and Obama just... aren't. I think it comes from the same place that made her weak as an overall candidate, which is her arrogance. She will answer questions straightforwardly, and as a result say things that will get her into to trouble occasionally. She does this because she is not as careful as say, a Kamala is. This same arrogance also make her unlikeable to a lot of people, and what led her to make bizzare decisions like not going to Wisconsin etc. Though I admit I kind of have a soft spot for her unwieldy 'say the quiet part outloud' version of mainstream democtratic politics. There is something weirdly honest about how blatantly political she is. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted Thursday at 02:20 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:20 AM 5 minutes ago, Harriser said: Hillary does have talent in her mainstream media appearances. She actually has a tendency to be quite strong and straightforward in her answers in a way that people like Kamala and Obama just... aren't. I think it comes from the same place that made her weak as an overall candidate, which is her arrogance. She will answer questions straightforwardly, and as a result say things that will get her into to trouble occasionally. She does this because she is not as careful as say, a Kamala is. This same arrogance also make her unlikeable to a lot of people, and what led her to make bizzare decisions like not going to Wisconsin etc. Though I admit I kind of have a soft spot for her unwieldy 'say the quiet part outloud' version of mainstream democtratic politics. This reminded me of the time she took a dig a Bernie at a joint townhall and responded to the audience booing with "you know it's true" 😂😂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderland Posted Thursday at 02:25 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:25 AM 32 minutes ago, dabunique said: Don't u dare jinx it 28 minutes ago, Slamless said: girl if you dont delete this Oh so I get shamed for posting about that but no one says a word when dozens of people are saying Kamala is gonna win 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harriser Posted Thursday at 02:28 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:28 AM 8 minutes ago, GhostBox said: This reminded me of the time she took a dig a Bernie at a joint townhall and responded to the audience booing with "you know it's true" 😂😂 Exactly, this clip is the perfect distillation of what I'm talking about. You would never catch Kamala saying something messy like this, it'd be 'Well here's what I know, president Obama got a lot done, and I thank him for that. We are going to continue that work and do even more' 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted Thursday at 02:29 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:29 AM "Entirely false, based on lies." He actually IS Blue Trump 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nooniebao Posted Thursday at 02:39 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:39 AM 10 minutes ago, Harriser said: Exactly, this clip is the perfect distillation of what I'm talking about. You would never catch Kamala saying something messy like this, it'd be 'Well here's what I know, president Obama got a lot done, and I thank him for that. We are going to continue that work and do even more' Yes, her arrogance really was her undoing in both of her presidential campaigns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted Thursday at 02:54 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:54 AM 1 hour ago, Armani? said: So after this is revealed as a panned flop in November, what will the GOP do to grow their coalition since they've ran all women away? Solidify the Nazi bloc by blaming Jews for their loss? 1 hour ago, Nights said: Got it. My question for you is this: Do you think her running a more progressive platform, say to the left of Obama, would leave her with a greater chance of being elected than her current platform? And this is a genuine, non-passive-aggressive question that I want your take on because I'm on the fence on how I feel about it. I'm asking because from my perspective it seems many progressive policies are very popular among Americans in isolation but as soon as an American politician starts actually running on these policies, they become easy picking for opposition entities who rile up some weird and ignorant fear among the public by equating those same progressive policies to communism, socialism and un-Americanism. Love the idea that the Dems "stand for nothing" except for like, womens' rights, lgbtq rights, not criminalizing queer life or black history, etc. But nope "nothing" because they won't cater to a bunch of people who don't even vote. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on the line Posted Thursday at 03:48 AM Share Posted Thursday at 03:48 AM 4 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: She's literally campaigning on "joy" and being "a breath of fresh air" and liberals are lapping it up when she's basically promising to be a continuation of Joe Biden's presidency, genocide-funding and all. She's running as a hope and change candidate when she's going to be nothing but a status quo president, serving nothing but stagnation and leading to greater decline as she twists herself into pretzel knots committing troops to protect a foreign country's right to kill Arabs. Everyone and their mother knows she is a candidate of circumstance and transition. That is all. Nobody is buying her hope and change message, but we appreciate you voting for her anyway! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted Thursday at 03:51 AM Share Posted Thursday at 03:51 AM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelven Posted Thursday at 04:03 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:03 AM Boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted Thursday at 04:05 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:05 AM 1 minute ago, shelven said: Boring Not bad. A tied race in NC while being up 5 nationally means a very possible squeak through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightbringer007 Posted Thursday at 04:09 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:09 AM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relampago. Posted Thursday at 04:10 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:10 AM (edited) ddd I'm in a bad mood tonight I should not have looked at polls Lemme go to bed early tonight and wake up with a different mindset Edited Thursday at 04:23 AM by Relampago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted Thursday at 04:11 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:11 AM The Gov and Senate races being double digits for Dems but a deadheat for Pres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted Thursday at 04:12 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:12 AM 1 minute ago, Relampago. said: lol the sun belt is so done. Just focus on the Rust Belt atp. the south can't be helped anymore This reaction over 3 ties is crazy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted Thursday at 04:12 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:12 AM (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lightbringer007 said: Yeah, with the pres race as close as it is, these men could very easily pull Harris across the finish line. Not a guarantee, but she's not out. I have more hope for NC than GA and IDRK what to think about AZ lol. 1 minute ago, Blade said: The Gov and Senate races being double digits for Dems but a deadheat for Pres Makes me think something is slightly amiss (the silent Kamala vote not being counted :eli:). Edited Thursday at 04:13 AM by Sannie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelven Posted Thursday at 04:13 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:13 AM Just now, Lightbringer007 said: A big faction of Trump/Stein voters makes sense to me, but I'm having a hard time understanding the polls that show a big faction of Trump/Gallego voters. I know Lake sucks and Arizona hates her, but isn't her entire personality just... supporting Trump and making all the same claims he does? I just don't get how a full 11% of the electorate can be fine voting for Trump but draw the line at voting for someone who just echoes everything Trump says. The fact that she's insulted McCain doesn't explain it either because Trump's done that too I know it would make these polls more expensive to conduct, but I wish some of these pollsters would ask the ticket splitters to explain why they're splitting and then share a random selection of those answers when they release the poll. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelven Posted Thursday at 04:13 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:13 AM 3 minutes ago, Relampago. said: lol the sun belt is so done. Just focus on the Rust Belt atp. the south can't be helped anymore Sis I think you need to take a break from poll watching for a little bit 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted Thursday at 04:16 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:16 AM 2 minutes ago, shelven said: I know it would make these polls more expensive to conduct, but I wish some of these pollsters would ask the ticket splitters to explain why they're splitting and then share a random selection of those answers when they release the poll. I had the same thought. Has there ever been an election where we've had this level of ticket splitting across this many states? AZ, NC, PA...even traces of some in NE (but I guess Osborn is an Independent) What is going on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted Thursday at 04:18 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:18 AM Lots of people on Election Twitter think polls are herding to the max right now No one wants to publish a Trump +5 in AZ or Harris +4 in PA like NYT did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harriser Posted Thursday at 04:20 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:20 AM 5 minutes ago, Relampago. said: lol the sun belt is so done. Just focus on the Rust Belt atp. the south can't be helped anymore Sis those polls are even and -1/-1.... let's not be dramatic. She would be crazy to not keep fighting in the sun belt. If she does a Biden and only focuses on her blue wall path, she is one polling error in Wisconsin away from defeat. I would agree that Arizona is looking very difficult but it's still within striking distance. GA & NC are states that could save her in conjunction with Nevada from a PA defeat, or save her from a Wisconsin or Michigan loss. It's essential that she keeps hammering away in these states 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelven Posted Thursday at 04:23 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:23 AM 1 minute ago, Blade said: No one wants to publish a Trump +5 in AZ or Harris +4 in PA like NYT did. This is why I'll continue to respect NYT's polling division even if they end up being really off this cycle. They're one of the few pollsters who seem to actually stick by what their data tells them instead of working backwards from an assumption that the race has to be close. Same reason why I didn't really lose any respect for ABC/WaPo after their infamous Wisconsin +17 in 2020. 99% of pollsters would have never let that poll see the light of day, which I think sets a bad precedent. Publishing polls that look like outliers is good for the industry since: (a) maybe it'll turn out they weren't an outlier after all! and (b) even if they are very likely an outlier, the pollster shouldn't be the one making that call. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted Thursday at 04:27 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:27 AM Kamala has a ton of cash (far more than Trump) and will until this is over. She has the resources to continue pouring money into states where she is basically tied (AZ, GA, NC) so why wouldn't she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted Thursday at 04:28 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:28 AM 9 minutes ago, Blade said: Lots of people on Election Twitter think polls are herding to the max right now No one wants to publish a Trump +5 in AZ or Harris +4 in PA like NYT did. Excuse my ignorance, but what are the implications of herding? Is it just polls are afraid to look like outliers and so we don't actually know what's going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted Thursday at 04:28 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:28 AM when changing from LV to RV it goes AZ: Trump +2 (LV Trump +1) GA: Harris +1 (LV Trump +1) NC: Harris +1 (LV tie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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