Mr. Mendes Posted September 8 Posted September 8 (edited) 4 hours ago, shelven said: Jill Stein single-handedly undoing the efforts of every leftist who tries to explain why Horseshoe Theory isn't real is just... The merits of the Green Party as an overall entity aside, it's very hard at this point to argue against Stein as an individual being an attention-seeking grifter. This is what I've been saying for awhile. There absolutely should be more visibility for third party candidates but that isn't going to happen when the people these parties nominate are just grifters. The Green Party as an entity has good ideas, but an incredible lack of ability to be actionable with them. That could change, but not when they're letting clowns drive the bus. I genuinely, truly feel bad for those who see themselves and their beliefs represented in the Green platform and yet are stuck having to make a case for someone like Jill Stein. I would love to vote third party one day, but I absolutely won't while they're all seemingly wanting to nominate either a grifter or a moron or both. Edited September 8 by Mr. Mendes
Sannie Posted September 8 Posted September 8 (edited) Young people are so. We're the ones who will have to live with a MAGA SCOTUS for the next fifty years and we're just like *shrugs*. 27 minutes ago, Chemist said: that NYT/Siena poll is absolutely awful for Kamala The post DNC enthusiasm has been effectively erased. her stance on Gaza and her unwillingness to give interviews +show her policies are destroying a promising campaign The +1 hasn't changed since their last poll. She received no bounce from the convention and neither Trump from his. 2 minutes ago, nooniebao said: Leftists desperately trying to make it out like they have something to do with. The latest polling literally shows enthusiasm among Dems being 10 points higher than among the GOP. Edited September 8 by Sannie 3
Blade Posted September 8 Posted September 8 23 minutes ago, ks_dollar said: Omg I know who you're talking about if it is, hi king It's not lol
Relampago. Posted September 8 Posted September 8 55 minutes ago, Sannie said: I 100% love your posts so that's why I respond to them I know you're coming from the right place and I'm just trying to make you feel a li'l better because I know we all have a lot to lose this time around. I'm also not 100% convinced of anything, tbh, I just don't think the narratives hold as strongly as some might suggest. Seeing the turnout and enthusiasm and registration increases among key demos and it's just hard to be like, "she's out of it, she has no chance." One thing polls struggle to ever get right is turnout or enthusiasm. And those things may very well be what decides this, and if so, Kamala is in a decent spot. Truly obsessed with how stupid people are. Oh I feel you girl, and to be honest I do appreciate the people who take the time to balance out the narrative because I'm kind of a negative person inherently lol I will say, Kamala's enthusiasm will probably perk up after the debate even if it doesn't move numbers too much. People seem to really think she's stupid or afraid, and that's why she "hides". I have zero doubts about who's going to look stupid on that stage in the traditional sense and who's not, and it's not Kamala. I'm hoping that the debate will at least put any narrative that she can't answer questions to rest. Will it be enough of an introduction and insight into her beliefs and vision for people to be satisfied? Probably not. But I can't see a world where the debate hurts her in any way. If by some awful chance she does horrible, then it's really gonna feel Joever but I don't see that happening. Hopefully once the debate is done she'll take the time to do more appearances and get her ideas out there once she doesn't have to focus on debate prep. 3
Relampago. Posted September 8 Posted September 8 9 minutes ago, nooniebao said: I know people said it would be a bad idea but I really would love to see her take a hard stance against some of Biden's policies and really differentiate herself during the debate. Because ironically, he's probably her biggest baggage right now. Yeah, we love Joe again in the favorability numbers, because he dropped out and he's leaving us alone, not cause we suddenly realized we want him as president again. 1
Mr. Mendes Posted September 8 Posted September 8 4 hours ago, Communion said: 1) to my liberal girlies' credit, the median undecided voter is indeed ******* stupid (I do maintain wealthier people are more likely to have more idiotic views), and 2) this isn't close to anything of an easy race. If this election cycle so far has taught me anything its that this isn't even unique to undecided voters. There have been absolute morons of unbelievable proportions appearing in every segment of voter. I knew the Republicans were but it's alarming to see how many genuinely just real to the point cut and dry dumb people have come out of the woodwork in the liberal camp and the leftist camp. I'm kinda at a point where I think anyone who holds views that lean evenly slightly to the left of center and further need to just stop talking until the election is over.
Armani? Posted September 8 Posted September 8 The avg last Emerson poll for the Hispanic Vote across all 7 swing states with leaners is 62% Kamala/38% Trump 327/531 204/531 Pretty similar results in every state with no outliers.
Mr. Mendes Posted September 8 Posted September 8 4 hours ago, Communion said: 1) to my liberal girlies' credit, the median undecided voter is indeed ******* stupid (I do maintain wealthier people are more likely to have more idiotic views), and 2) this isn't close to anything of an easy race. If this election cycle so far has taught me anything its that this isn't even unique to undecided voters. There have been absolute morons of unbelievable proportions appearing in every segment of voter. I knew the Republicans were but it's alarming to see how many genuinely just real to the point cut and dry dumb people have come out of the woodwork in the liberal camp and the leftist camp. I'm kinda at a point where I think anyone who holds views that lean evenly slightly to the left of center and further need to just stop talking until the election is over.
Wonderland Posted September 8 Posted September 8 28 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Umichgrad40 or something I think their name was? I don't think it is lol I remember they were black and almost 40 when they started to leave ATRL iirc and I don't think the person that runs this Twitter account is.. He was also a messy queen who could be shady at times. I've never seen this twitter account serve mess 2
VOSS Posted September 8 Posted September 8 2 hours ago, shelven said: If Harris ends up losing, there will be a lot of different thinkpieces about her campaign and what she could have done differently, but I think the actual reason will have simply been that the election was already decided over a year ago when most Americans' views on the economy and inflation became settled in. People decided that Biden/the Dems were to blame for those issues, that Trump was capable of fixing it and that his ability to fix it was more important than his threats to democracy and his increasingly unhinged behaviour. To be clear, I'm not saying that is what's going to happen - I've maintained that I think voters care about January 6 and Trump's threats to democracy more than what Twitter circles would have you believe, as election denialism (along with abortion) was the main unifying thread that connected all the GOP candidates who tanked in midterm races where they should have been favoured. But in the event that Trump does manage to overcome all that and win anyways, I don't think Harris could have done much differently in hindsight to prevent it, since the takeaway will have been that voters cared more about returning to a pre-2020 economy than any other issue and they believe that Trump can do that. We experienced the highest inflation in a generation so Dems are already running at a huge disadvantage. They'd clearly be toast if anyone but Trump were the nominee. And yeah I'm not sure that there's anything specifically Harris could do to counter that as Biden's VP unfortunately.
shelven Posted September 8 Posted September 8 2 hours ago, Sannie said: As much as I love the "weird", Dems gotta tread lightly on this specific critique. Lots of people like to swim but keep their shirt on for a myriad of reasons. This is one of those rare things that actually make him seem human. Had the exact same thought. "Everyone who has a skin condition or is self-conscious about their body image is a WEIRDO" isn't the gotcha moment Twitter Libs seem to think it is If anything, the reaction to this that I've seen from some Dems on Twitter actually helps Vance because now it makes it seem like they're just obsessive and will criticize anything and everything he does (which he can now use as an excuse when he gets criticized for actually valid reasons). It's basically the same reason why most unhinged Trump moments don't move the needle on swing voter perception of him anymore - the Dems are so quick to criticize him for everything that it becomes a crying wolf situation. The Dems definitely need to be way better at picking their battles. 5 1
Blankspace2010 Posted September 8 Posted September 8 1 hour ago, nooniebao said: People are making it clear. If they want Republican policies, they will vote for a Republican. What about that do the democrats NOT get? 1 1 3
tiejc Posted September 8 Posted September 8 Why is he so rattled about PA mail-in ballots? Does the campaign have numbers that alarm them hence why this psycho is having a tantrum? 1
teresaguidice Posted September 8 Posted September 8 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Young people are so. We're the ones who will have to live with a MAGA SCOTUS for the next fifty years and we're just like *shrugs*. 69% of respondents saying yes is still very high considering its been framed this way during every election ever 1
shelven Posted September 9 Posted September 9 13 minutes ago, tiejc said: Why is he so rattled about PA mail-in ballots? Does the campaign have numbers that alarm them hence why this psycho is having a tantrum? I keep seeing some Twitter user who apparently analyzes PA election data tweet about how the mail voting request data is looking good for the Dems so far, so I'm guessing he or someone close to him has seen those tweets 2
ClashAndBurn Posted September 9 Posted September 9 6 hours ago, dman4life said: Let's just save the meltdowns for if she fumbles the debate. No reason to be carrying on like this over a poll. Michelle Obama warned us this was coming. That said, I'm not understand why she still doesn't have any policy on her site. It's just such an unnecessary error. If she's going to keep running as a 2000s Republican, she'd be better off keeping her policies a secret tbh. 1
Communion Posted September 9 Posted September 9 2 hours ago, Sannie said: The latest polling literally shows enthusiasm among Dems being 10 points higher than among the GOP. I mean, that's the point. Wasn't Dem enthusiasm peaking at a 30-point advantage just 2 weeks ago?
Sannie Posted September 9 Posted September 9 1 hour ago, tiejc said: Why is he so rattled about PA mail-in ballots? Does the campaign have numbers that alarm them hence why this psycho is having a tantrum? Either that or he's just hung up on 2020. He'll never let that go and will forever blame that. Even if he wins, he'll still always be rattled by 2020. 33 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Yeah, but it's really important we pay attention to the NYT poll and only that one.
Communion Posted September 9 Posted September 9 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sannie said: What's wild to me is how this kind of thing happens over and over again with people on the left. The moment big names get any kind of push back, they immediately go MASK OFF and become right wingers Comparing a candidate liking a comment - out of liking many - because it says "or vote for the Green Party" while Democrat electeds brag about an endorsement from the literal hell spawn of Dick Cheney is... not the leverage nor moral high-standing you think you have, let alone a new or interesting trick given all of 2016-2024 has been spent claiming leftists are the ones truly sympathetic to Republicans (despite Democrats actively recruiting Republicans). You can't get mad at a random nobody saying for fellow right-wing independents to at least vote Green if they can't vote for Republicans, instead of voting Democrats, when Democrats are using explicitly the same messaging, to at least vote for Democrats to stop Republicans instead of voting for someone like the Libertarians or ticket-splitting. Democrats change their entirely policy platform and what entire demographics they view as giving time to in order to appeal to Republicans. I'm not sure you've made a convincing discovery when mad about *re-checks* liked instagram comments. Jill Stein isn't going to win Republican voters because she promotes and pushes policies that Republicans don't like. The goal of the Green Party is to weaken the Democratic Party and offer a progressive electoral choice, just as they reject them or Republicans being in power as right-wing parties. You're having an overtly emotional reaction because you have a derangement that your political party is entitled to votes and are acting shocked if people don't feel bad about comments shitting on Democrats when this is what Democrats do to the Green Party: Shocking leftists who'd vote Green don't like Democrats for anti-democratic actions and don't hope they win as they see them as no different than Republicans! Edited September 9 by Communion 2
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