Ibrahim Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Communion said: The "progressive" legislation in question: A majority of Americans support no co-pays, no deductibles and no premiums for healthcare. Congressional Democrats are at odds with Democratic voters because they're more interested in career-building as an organization for themselves than representing the views of their voters: Pick your battles. You either get what you can accomplish or you get nothing. The bill is a result of the system. If you want a better bill, you're going to have to change the minds of the voters electing these representatives into Congress. Try passing this bill with Republican-majority Congress. Can I ask: Would life be preferable with or without this bill? You can't respond that there's a better bill. This is the bill. What would be better without it?
Communion Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ibrahim said: If you want a better bill, you're going to have to change the minds of the voters electing these representatives into Congress. Why is the DCCC spending hundreds of millions of dollars promoting far-right Republican and attacking progressive Dems?
Ibrahim Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Communion said: Why is the DCCC spending hundreds of millions of dollars promoting far-right Republican and attacking progressive Dems I asked you what would be better without this bill. Can you answer that?
Communion Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ibrahim said: I asked you what would be better without this bill. Can you answer that? And you're being asked first why Democrats fund conservative politicians who'd vote against progressive policies. Why are you afraid to address this question? Do you honestly think that in 2022 anyone actually buys the "better things simply aren't possible" mantra? That's why elite affluent liberals hate progressivism so much. Because people are genuinely more aware now that this kind of mantra and rhetoric is hollow. Because it's hard now to hide corruption and lies by the Democratic party. Do you, genuinely, think you're convincing anyone below the age of 50 that Democrats are well-meaning public servants who want better things but simply have their hands tied by the ideological makeup of America? Who do you think you're fooling with these kinds of partisan lies? Are you going to attempt to answer any of these questions? "Pick your battles!" screams the corrupt politicians funding the people they claim they're fighting again.
Communion Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 "Pick your battles!" Democratic leadership not picking their battles:
Kassi Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 Democrats aren’t “funding” conservative politicians. They’re creating their own luck by reshaping their electoral landscape. For example, by creating Dem pickups: It’s a high stakes, high reward pied piper strategy. Cause at the end of the day, there’s no such thing as a good Republican, they all vote the same in the end, some are just never-Trumpers and others aren’t. Pelosi and the DCCC are absolutely correct in pre-empting more Glenn Youngkin wolf-in-sheep’s clothing outcomes. The Republican party elevated Trump, so now they get to live with the consequences of that decision.
Kassi Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 But anyway, we know the jig by now. If by some miracle Dems keep the House, we’re all just going to pretend like it happened by accident, didn’t break decades of precedent of the President’s party losing the midterms, and Pelosi had nothing to do with it. Then the discussion will automatically shift to which do-nothing progressive should be handed the gavel for simply existing.
Ms. Togekiss Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 The lack of self awareness in this thread from certain users is always entertaining yet exhausting When do we expect republicans to start announcing they’re running for President? Next year?
Vroom Vroom Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Ms. Togekiss said: The lack of self awareness in this thread from certain users is always entertaining yet exhausting When do we expect republicans to start announcing they’re running for President? Next year? Warren announced in February 2019, so republicans should start announcing or at least start announcing exploratory committees early next year. It is going to be a mess
Ibrahim Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Communion said: "Pick your battles!" Democratic leadership not picking their battles: So you can't answer the question? Because you're implying we should take a time machine to go back and change things. I'm asking about right now. What would be better off without the bill? 1 hour ago, Kassi said: Democrats aren’t “funding” conservative politicians. They’re creating their own luck by reshaping their electoral landscape. For example, by creating Dem pickups: It’s a high stakes, high reward pied piper strategy. Cause at the end of the day, there’s no such thing as a good Republican, they all vote the same in the end, some are just never-Trumpers and others aren’t. Pelosi and the DCCC are absolutely correct in pre-empting more Glenn Youngkin wolf-in-sheep’s clothing outcomes. The Republican party elevated Trump, so now they get to live with the consequences of that decision. There's exactly a huge difference between electability and (personal) likeability. I had the same argument with a coworker and he didn't seem to understand that if a candidate wins a primary that doesn't win the general, then you lose no matter what. If your grasp on power is thrown away by electing an unwinnable candidate and your opposition wants to erode your chance at effecting change, you've essentially given them permission to do so. Even A.O.C. says she ran in her district because she knew she would win, and that may not work anytime anywhere else.
Communion Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 41 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Warren announced in February 2019, so republicans should start announcing or at least start announcing exploratory committees early next year. It is going to be a mess Kamala announced her's January 21st, 2019, so it could even be earlier. Exploratory Committees: 11/15/18 - Marianne Williamson 12/12/18 - Julian Castro 12/31/18 - Elizabeth Warren 01/15/19 - Kirsten Gillibrand 01/23/19 - Pete Buttigieg Campaign Announcements: 11/11/18 - Richard Ojeda 01/11/19 - Tulsi Gabbard 01/12/19 - Julian Castro 01/21/19 - Kamala Harris 01/28/19 - Marianne Williamson 02/01/19 - Cory Booker 02/09/19 - Elizabeth Warren 02/10/19 - Amy Klobuchar 02/19/19 - Bernie Sanders 03/01/19 - Jay Inslee 03/04/19 - John Hickenlooper 03/14/19 - Beto O'Rourke 03/17/19 - Kirsten Gillibrand 04/02/19 - Mike Gravel 04/04/19 - Tim Ryan 04/08/19 - Eric Swawell 04/14/19 - Pete Buttigieg 04/25/19 - Joe Biden 05/02/19 - Michael Bennett 05/14/19 - Steve Bullock 05/16/19 - Bill de Blasio 07/09/19 - Tom Steyer 11/24/19 - Michael Bloomberg
Communion Posted August 14, 2022 Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ibrahim said: Because you're implying we should take a time machine to go back and change things. I'm asking for Democrats to stop currently funding far-right candidates and attacking progressives. Why won't Democratic leadership commit to stop using SuperPACs to attack progressives and fund conservatives? Why have Democratic leadership not banned its members from taking cash from right-wing, Republican-aligned Super PACs like AIPAC? Edited August 15, 2022 by Communion
Vroom Vroom Posted August 15, 2022 Posted August 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, Communion said: Kamala announced her's January 21st, 2019, so it could even be earlier. I sometimes forget that she even ran
Kassi Posted August 15, 2022 Posted August 15, 2022 This act will play with the MAGAs but eventually he finna go the way of Scott Walker, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal and other past GOP "next big things". It’s hard to see now cause we’re all so close to and blinded by the sun (i.e. Trump), but once DeSantis is forced to run on his own merits and record, I can only see him falling. Even his platform shoes won’t help keep him upright. I’ll say it here and now for us to review in 2024, but Glenn Youngkin has a better shot at the Presidency than DeSantis.
ClashAndBurn Posted August 15, 2022 Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Vroom Vroom said: I sometimes forget that she even ran Well, you won't be forgetting the next cycle, because the post-Biden nominee is for sure going to be her. She already has over 50% of black voters in her corner, and as we know, Democratic primaries are functionally over by South Carolina, so it's practically guaranteed. She'll lose the general. Humiliatingly. But the primary goes to her and it'll be near-uncontested, barring no-hope candidates like Nina Turner, because no one will want to be smeared by the media apparatchiks as racist or sexist for daring to deny a black woman what is "owed to her."
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted August 15, 2022 Author ATRL Moderator Posted August 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, Kassi said: When gas gets closer to $2 in November… I wonder how low it's really going to get? It's already almost below $3 here
ClashAndBurn Posted August 15, 2022 Posted August 15, 2022 The anger and delusion in the quote RTs. The fact that they call her MVP and insist that they aren't a cult. "Why call US rabid when we aren't the ones who stormed the Capitol?" Just wait till Kamala loses the 2024 or 2028 general election, sweaties. Y'all are considered Blue MAGA for a reason
Vroom Vroom Posted August 15, 2022 Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said: Well, you won't be forgetting the next cycle, because the post-Biden nominee is for sure going to be her. She already has over 50% of black voters in her corner, and as we know, Democratic primaries are functionally over by South Carolina, so it's practically guaranteed. She'll lose the general. Humiliatingly. But the primary goes to her and it'll be near-uncontested, barring no-hope candidates like Nina Turner, because no one will want to be smeared by the media apparatchiks as racist or sexist for daring to deny a black woman what is "owed to her." So much can happen between now and 2028. For all we know, Biden will step down in the middle of his second term and Harris will be president by then If Biden does lose to the republican nominee in 2024, Harris could easily become a Walter Mondale type figure in 2028 OR if Biden loses in 2024 and Stacey Abrams wins the Georgia gubernatorial this current year, she could probably beat Harris in a primary Now if Biden wins his second term and some how makes it through the whole term, Harris will probably be guaranteed the nomination like you said. Many possibilities for 2028
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