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[Mike91]

14 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

No, no one thinks that. After 2016, everyone honest with themselves knows that the only options for dems at this point are a rightward shift and they win or a rightward shift and they lose followed by an even further shift to the right. Progress isn't even remotely on the table for the next decade, or possibly even for the rest of my life.

If not for Trump, I genuinely believe Bernie would have changed the conversation around policy in this country. Sometimes all it takes is the right candidate. Most Americans support progressive policies, but everything is still focused around Trump. 

 

 

 

[FameFatale]

Now I want to go to the fair 

Edited September 1 by FameFatale

[VOSS]

The ad I just got

[VOSS]

22 minutes ago, Mike91 said:

If not for Trump, I genuinely believe Bernie would have changed the conversation around policy in this country. Sometimes all it takes is the right candidate. Most Americans support progressive policies, but everything is still focused around Trump. 

 

 

 

I don't think think Bernie would have ever been in serious contention if not for Trump tbh. And I think if he had gotten the nom in 2020 he would be just as disliked as Biden right now and his policies would be blamed for inflation and he would have had a heart attack in office

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, VOSS said:

I don't think think Bernie would have ever been in serious contention if not for Trump tbh. And I think if he had gotten the nom in 2020 he would be just as disliked as Biden right now and his policies would be blamed for inflation and he would have had a heart attack in office

What kind of delusional coping? You don't need hypotheticals for which reality already exists.

 

Biden's candidacy tanked because he couldn't open his mouth without slurring a mixture of incoherent stories and fragments.

Sanders has gone throughout all of Biden's presidency maintaining perfect health and mental sharpness. "Well what if Sanders had a heart attack??". Well.. did he?

[Mike91]

8 minutes ago, VOSS said:

I don't think think Bernie would have ever been in serious contention if not for Trump tbh. And I think if he had gotten the nom in 2020 he would be just as disliked as Biden right now and his policies would be blamed for inflation and he would have had a heart attack in office

I disagree. His policies polled well and that wasn't because of Trump. Bernie was just a well-liked candidate and sometimes that's all it takes.  Ask Reagan. I agree that he would have been attacked relentlessly though. Every president has to deal with that and it's only gotten worse as we've become more polarized.

 

Also, whether Bernie won in 2016 or 2020 he would have dealt with a hostile Congress anyways so I doubt he could have really implemented much to begin with. 

[ClashAndBurn]

41 minutes ago, Mike91 said:

If not for Trump, I genuinely believe Bernie would have changed the conversation around policy in this country. Sometimes all it takes is the right candidate. Most Americans support progressive policies, but everything is still focused around Trump. 

 

 

 

I dunno. At this point, I'm jaded enough that I've come to this conclusion: If Bernie had won the nomination, I think the establishment would have pulled the rug out from under him and gone out of their way to undermine him at every turn. Moderate Dems would have absolutely endorsed Trump or advised their followers to leave the top of the ticket blank. Trump wouldn't be the existential threat. He'd be the savior who delivered us from communism.

[teresaguidice]

if bernie won in 2016, a lot would've been possible. if bernie won in 2020, i think the left would be even deader than it is now. he would be blamed for inflation in a much more aggressive way than biden and the takeaway would be that a moderate like biden would've never let inflation get so out of control and it'd be used as definitive proof that economic populism doesn't work. 

[VOSS]

5 minutes ago, teresaguidice said:

if bernie won in 2016, a lot would've been possible. if bernie won in 2020, i think the left would be even deader than it is now. he would be blamed for inflation in a much more aggressive way than biden and the takeaway would be that a moderate like biden would've never let inflation get so out of control and it'd be used as definitive proof that economic populism doesn't work. 

This is kind of what I was trying to get at. And I don't think Bernie ever had a serious chance in 2016

[teresaguidice]

2 minutes ago, VOSS said:

This is kind of what I was trying to get at. And I don't think Bernie ever had a serious chance in 2016

you're wrong about bernie only being in contention in 2016 because of trump though. the circumstances and mood of the country is what allowed them both to break through. 

[Bears01]

16 minutes ago, VOSS said:

This is kind of what I was trying to get at. And I don't think Bernie ever had a serious chance in 2016

What are you talking about? 
 

The mood in the country in 2016 was: "we hate the political establishment, an outsider would be welcome" 

 

Thats why Trump won the primary (and presidency) and why Bernie gave Hillary a legit run for her money for the nomination. 
 

Now, the mood in 2020 was different: a straight up clash between those who loved, and those who hated Trump. 

[nooniebao]

But then…

 

 

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[Sannie]

3 hours ago, VOSS said:

I don't think think Bernie would have ever been in serious contention if not for Trump tbh. And I think if he had gotten the nom in 2020 he would be just as disliked as Biden right now and his policies would be blamed for inflation and he would have had a heart attack in office

Bernie wouldn't've been able to pass half the things Biden did. CHIPS Act, Infra deal, etc., all because everything would've been labeled as "socialism" by republicans more than it already is, or his ego wouldn't've allowed him to compromise and work bipartisanly. Part of the reason Biden was able to get done what he has, has been because a lot of Republicans (old school ones) still like/respect him so they didn't mind the "optics" of crossing the aisle to vote with Dems.

 

Sometimes it's stupidly all about optics.  

[GhostBox]

AOC being right 24/7 lately 👏🏼👏🏼

 

[Sannie]

5 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

AOC being right 24/7 lately 👏🏼👏🏼

 

Leftists hate her now because she dares to try and actually get stuff done lol.

 

 

 

 

Dems being tied with Crime/Safety is INSANE.

[on the line]

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

Leftists hate her now because she dares to try and actually get stuff done lol.

 

 

 

 

Dems being tied with Crime/Safety is INSANE.

Israel/Hamas: TRUMP +8

 

 

 Woof. The cold hard truth on display right here. 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

Leftists hate her now because she dares to try and actually get stuff done lol.

 

It's so odd that liberals have gravitated to this meme given that this person's occupation is literally her critique of power and then embracing of those she critiques? 

 

It's just odd that everyone who has found themselves having to fold on defending Democrats from criticism ends up throwing Palestinians under the bus, whether her or AOC.

 

[Relampago.]

2 hours ago, GhostBox said:

AOC being right 24/7 lately 👏🏼👏🏼

 

Ehh… this is a mixed bag for me. I agree, Jill Stein is an awful leader and does very little to improve the Green Party's standing. I am not a fan of her touting a big issue that the Dems fail on, Palestine being the biggest example of the moment, and using that to try to amplify her status without offering a path forward for how she envisions the Green Party making that happen. While I do end up agreeing with Stein many times, I often do feel some of her comments aren't as genuine as I'd like them to be without any plans as to how we can gain power for the Green Party, so I can see where AOC is coming from. 

 

Where she starts to lose me is calling Jill Stein predatory, while essentially defending the Democratic Party. Jill has not shown herself to be a great leader, and she's possibly driven by ego more than anything but is that predatory? I have trouble getting there when the Democratic Party promises things that they end up turning on in office or in the next election (Marijuana legalization comes to mind, but there are certainly other examples I could rack my brain on, but it's Sunday ). Is that not predatory?

 

The Democratic Party is one of the two parties with all the power in the US. Perhaps Stein is preying on the dissatisfaction of the American public with the two major parties, and is using that to her own advantage, but the onus is largely on the Dems to be addressing that dissatisfaction which they've failed to do by capitulating to the center right. Stein can prey on that dissatisfaction but it only exists because of the Democratic Party's lies, failures and incompetence. It's no wonder that people would vote for an egomaniac in Stein, since she at least offers different ideas that they align with, even if she has no legitimate plan to get those ideas enacted. 

 

If Jill Stein is the predator, then the Democrats are the ones who allow the ecosystem for that kind of predator to exist in the first place. That key point alone tears apart AOC's main point here, so I can't really get fully behind this because it's framed so disingenuously. Of course, the Republican Party has equal parts in this problem, but since this is the Green Party I can't imagine many would-be Republicans who vote third party are going Green. 

[Lil Mistee]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Israel/Hamas: TRUMP +8

 

 

 Woof. The cold hard truth on display right here. 

what

[Relampago.]

4 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

what

It's wild especially considering how poorly Trump handled Iran who will be a key player in Israel/Hamas going forward 

 

But people these days have goldfish memories so  

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

what

Y'all: "Leftists are delusional! There's no way Trump can scam people into thinking he's running both to Harris' left and right! It's not 2016 again! People know he's not anti-war!"

 

Guess again girlies 

[Communion]

28 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

Ehh… this is a mixed bag for me. I agree, Jill Stein is an awful leader and does very little to improve the Green Party's standing. I am not a fan of her touting a big issue that the Dems fail on, Palestine being the biggest example of the moment, and using that to try to amplify her status without offering a path forward for how she envisions the Green Party making that happen. While I do end up agreeing with Stein many times, I often do feel some of her comments aren't as genuine as I'd like them to be without any plans as to how we can gain power for the Green Party, so I can see where AOC is coming from. 

 

Where she starts to lose me is calling Jill Stein predatory, while essentially defending the Democratic Party. Jill has not shown herself to be a great leader, and she's possibly driven by ego more than anything but is that predatory? I have trouble getting there when the Democratic Party promises things that they end up turning on in office or in the next election (Marijuana legalization comes to mind, but there are certainly other examples I could rack my brain on, but it's Sunday ). Is that not predatory?

 

The Democratic Party is one of the two parties with all the power in the US. Perhaps Stein is preying on the dissatisfaction of the American public with the two major parties, and is using that to her own advantage, but the onus is largely on the Dems to be addressing that dissatisfaction which they've failed to do by capitulating to the center right. Stein can prey on that dissatisfaction but it only exists because of the Democratic Party's lies, failures and incompetence. It's no wonder that people would vote for an egomaniac in Stein, since she at least offers different ideas that they align with, even if she has no legitimate plan to get those ideas enacted. 

 

If Jill Stein is the predator, then the Democrats are the ones who allow the ecosystem for that kind of predator to exist in the first place. That key point alone tears apart AOC's main point here, so I can't really get fully behind this because it's framed so disingenuously. Of course, the Republican Party has equal parts in this problem, but since this is the Green Party I can't imagine many would-be Republicans who vote third party are going Green. 

Jill serving SYG with some of these drags. 

 

 

[FameFatale]

Well  

 

 

 

[GhostBox]

25 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

Well  

 

 

 

Was just coming to post this 💀

 

obviously he has plans on doing it again