teresaguidice Posted September 1 Posted September 1 2 minutes ago, VOSS said: This is kind of what I was trying to get at. And I don't think Bernie ever had a serious chance in 2016 you're wrong about bernie only being in contention in 2016 because of trump though. the circumstances and mood of the country is what allowed them both to break through.
Bears01 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 16 minutes ago, VOSS said: This is kind of what I was trying to get at. And I don't think Bernie ever had a serious chance in 2016 What are you talking about? The mood in the country in 2016 was: "we hate the political establishment, an outsider would be welcome" Thats why Trump won the primary (and presidency) and why Bernie gave Hillary a legit run for her money for the nomination. Now, the mood in 2020 was different: a straight up clash between those who loved, and those who hated Trump.
Sannie Posted September 1 Posted September 1 3 hours ago, VOSS said: I don't think think Bernie would have ever been in serious contention if not for Trump tbh. And I think if he had gotten the nom in 2020 he would be just as disliked as Biden right now and his policies would be blamed for inflation and he would have had a heart attack in office Bernie wouldn't've been able to pass half the things Biden did. CHIPS Act, Infra deal, etc., all because everything would've been labeled as "socialism" by republicans more than it already is, or his ego wouldn't've allowed him to compromise and work bipartisanly. Part of the reason Biden was able to get done what he has, has been because a lot of Republicans (old school ones) still like/respect him so they didn't mind the "optics" of crossing the aisle to vote with Dems. Sometimes it's stupidly all about optics. 1
Sannie Posted September 1 Posted September 1 5 minutes ago, GhostBox said: AOC being right 24/7 lately 👏🏼👏🏼 Leftists hate her now because she dares to try and actually get stuff done lol. Dems being tied with Crime/Safety is INSANE. 5 1 4
on the line Posted September 1 Posted September 1 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Leftists hate her now because she dares to try and actually get stuff done lol. Dems being tied with Crime/Safety is INSANE. Israel/Hamas: TRUMP +8 Woof. The cold hard truth on display right here. 2 3
Communion Posted September 1 Posted September 1 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Leftists hate her now because she dares to try and actually get stuff done lol. It's so odd that liberals have gravitated to this meme given that this person's occupation is literally her critique of power and then embracing of those she critiques? It's just odd that everyone who has found themselves having to fold on defending Democrats from criticism ends up throwing Palestinians under the bus, whether her or AOC. 1 1
Relampago. Posted September 1 Posted September 1 2 hours ago, GhostBox said: AOC being right 24/7 lately 👏🏼👏🏼 Ehh… this is a mixed bag for me. I agree, Jill Stein is an awful leader and does very little to improve the Green Party's standing. I am not a fan of her touting a big issue that the Dems fail on, Palestine being the biggest example of the moment, and using that to try to amplify her status without offering a path forward for how she envisions the Green Party making that happen. While I do end up agreeing with Stein many times, I often do feel some of her comments aren't as genuine as I'd like them to be without any plans as to how we can gain power for the Green Party, so I can see where AOC is coming from. Where she starts to lose me is calling Jill Stein predatory, while essentially defending the Democratic Party. Jill has not shown herself to be a great leader, and she's possibly driven by ego more than anything but is that predatory? I have trouble getting there when the Democratic Party promises things that they end up turning on in office or in the next election (Marijuana legalization comes to mind, but there are certainly other examples I could rack my brain on, but it's Sunday ). Is that not predatory? The Democratic Party is one of the two parties with all the power in the US. Perhaps Stein is preying on the dissatisfaction of the American public with the two major parties, and is using that to her own advantage, but the onus is largely on the Dems to be addressing that dissatisfaction which they've failed to do by capitulating to the center right. Stein can prey on that dissatisfaction but it only exists because of the Democratic Party's lies, failures and incompetence. It's no wonder that people would vote for an egomaniac in Stein, since she at least offers different ideas that they align with, even if she has no legitimate plan to get those ideas enacted. If Jill Stein is the predator, then the Democrats are the ones who allow the ecosystem for that kind of predator to exist in the first place. That key point alone tears apart AOC's main point here, so I can't really get fully behind this because it's framed so disingenuously. Of course, the Republican Party has equal parts in this problem, but since this is the Green Party I can't imagine many would-be Republicans who vote third party are going Green. 1
Lil Mistee Posted September 1 Posted September 1 1 hour ago, on the line said: Israel/Hamas: TRUMP +8 Woof. The cold hard truth on display right here. what
Relampago. Posted September 1 Posted September 1 4 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: what It's wild especially considering how poorly Trump handled Iran who will be a key player in Israel/Hamas going forward But people these days have goldfish memories so
Communion Posted September 1 Posted September 1 8 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: what Y'all: "Leftists are delusional! There's no way Trump can scam people into thinking he's running both to Harris' left and right! It's not 2016 again! People know he's not anti-war!" Guess again girlies
Communion Posted September 1 Posted September 1 28 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Ehh… this is a mixed bag for me. I agree, Jill Stein is an awful leader and does very little to improve the Green Party's standing. I am not a fan of her touting a big issue that the Dems fail on, Palestine being the biggest example of the moment, and using that to try to amplify her status without offering a path forward for how she envisions the Green Party making that happen. While I do end up agreeing with Stein many times, I often do feel some of her comments aren't as genuine as I'd like them to be without any plans as to how we can gain power for the Green Party, so I can see where AOC is coming from. Where she starts to lose me is calling Jill Stein predatory, while essentially defending the Democratic Party. Jill has not shown herself to be a great leader, and she's possibly driven by ego more than anything but is that predatory? I have trouble getting there when the Democratic Party promises things that they end up turning on in office or in the next election (Marijuana legalization comes to mind, but there are certainly other examples I could rack my brain on, but it's Sunday ). Is that not predatory? The Democratic Party is one of the two parties with all the power in the US. Perhaps Stein is preying on the dissatisfaction of the American public with the two major parties, and is using that to her own advantage, but the onus is largely on the Dems to be addressing that dissatisfaction which they've failed to do by capitulating to the center right. Stein can prey on that dissatisfaction but it only exists because of the Democratic Party's lies, failures and incompetence. It's no wonder that people would vote for an egomaniac in Stein, since she at least offers different ideas that they align with, even if she has no legitimate plan to get those ideas enacted. If Jill Stein is the predator, then the Democrats are the ones who allow the ecosystem for that kind of predator to exist in the first place. That key point alone tears apart AOC's main point here, so I can't really get fully behind this because it's framed so disingenuously. Of course, the Republican Party has equal parts in this problem, but since this is the Green Party I can't imagine many would-be Republicans who vote third party are going Green. Jill serving SYG with some of these drags.
GhostBox Posted September 2 Posted September 2 25 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Well Was just coming to post this 💀 obviously he has plans on doing it again
FameFatale Posted September 2 Posted September 2 He thinks bleach bit is still actual liquid bleach 2
GhostBox Posted September 2 Posted September 2 5 minutes ago, FameFatale said: He thinks bleach bit is still actual liquid bleach Good lord he's so dumb 💀
Armani? Posted September 2 Posted September 2 The ppl in here trying to say online Leftists don't want anything thing done when half of yall were stanning Biden's corpse to stay in the race with Trump no matter what 2 months ago 3 3 1
Bhabylon Posted September 2 Posted September 2 Tulsi going on CNN talking about how she will be helping Trump prepare for the debate, calling Kamala a hypocrite Some people have no sense of self awareness 1 1
Sannie Posted September 2 Posted September 2 1 hour ago, Armani? said: The ppl in here trying to say online Leftists don't want anything thing done when half of yall were stanning Biden's corpse to stay in the race with Trump no matter what 2 months ago Well yeah, because at that point in time he was literally all we had. We had no other choice. We all moved on as soon as he stepped down, though. 1
Armani? Posted September 2 Posted September 2 3 minutes ago, Sannie said: Well yeah, because at that point in time he was literally all we had. We had no other choice. We all moved on as soon as he stepped down, though. Clearly "we" did 1
Communion Posted September 2 Posted September 2 8 minutes ago, Sannie said: Well yeah, because at that point in time he was literally all we had I can't believe Kamala Harris is running a presidential campaign just 41 days after being born. 4
Relampago. Posted September 2 Posted September 2 Is king @dabunique running the Kamala wins account? 1 1 9
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