GhostBox Posted August 30 Posted August 30 8 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Knew it was coming The complete flip flop flip he did in just 1 day 😂😂
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 30 ATRL Moderator Posted August 30 10 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Knew it was coming I’d like to think the evangelicals will start to see through him, but I doubt it. 4
Relampago. Posted August 30 Posted August 30 1 hour ago, Luckitty said: literally who said that "millions" aren't gonna die if the us breaks up into smaller countries The US is largely interdependent between the states, and the individual states have huge variations in values and culture depending on which one it is. Even within these states, metropolitan areas are usually much more different than the red states they reside in. Breaking up the US would 100% cause immense amounts of violence, failing to properly allocate resources, determining who gets to keep the most prized remnants of the original US, and likely cause dozens of mini-civil wars in each region as groups struggle for power. There is no reality in which breaking up the US doesn't result in hundreds of thousands of deaths either through direct warfare or the newly created country's inability to properly govern. All this assumes the fighting stays within the original US, and New Texas or New Cascadia-Idaho don't suddenly want to invade parts of Mexico/Canada 6
Sannie Posted August 30 Posted August 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, Luckitty said: literally who said that "millions" aren't gonna die if the us breaks up into smaller countries Yes. Yes, they will. What happens to the millions of people living in states who rely on funding from other states and the fed? How does a state like Alabama feed its poor and hungry without federal subsidies? How do states like Mississippi keep up without the infrastructure that keeps water clean with federal subsidies? What happens during natural disasters that displace millions without the federal govt helping? What happens to millions of oppressed minorities who only have the rights they do because of federal laws? What happens when bigger states begin to invade others for their resources? It's easy to forget about how much the fed helps us in every day life because we don't fully grasp how massive it is and how entranced it is in our daily life, but the truth is that we need it. Do you think 50 states breaking apart would go smoothly? If so, I have a Trump-branded bridge to sell you. Some of you just don't think any of this through. Edited August 30 by Sannie
Relampago. Posted August 30 Posted August 30 12 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Knew it was coming But Kamala will be the only one crucified for flip-flopping Spoiler As she should, but is it too much to ask for fair and balanced coverage, like 4
dabunique Posted August 30 Posted August 30 43 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Knew it was coming He can't even vote. He's a convicted felon. I can't. 1
Wonderland Posted August 30 Posted August 30 55 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Knew it was coming This gives a lot of firepower to drag him on abortion. It makes his stance appear to be 6 weeks while also being a very obvious demonstration on how his word on abortion means nothing. After this mess, how can anyone take his claims seriously that he wouldn't sign a federal abortion ban? 3
wastedpotential Posted August 30 Posted August 30 43 minutes ago, Relampago. said: The US is largely interdependent between the states, and the individual states have huge variations in values and culture depending on which one it is. Even within these states, metropolitan areas are usually much more different than the red states they reside in. Breaking up the US would 100% cause immense amounts of violence, failing to properly allocate resources, determining who gets to keep the most prized remnants of the original US, and likely cause dozens of mini-civil wars in each region as groups struggle for power. There is no reality in which breaking up the US doesn't result in hundreds of thousands of deaths either through direct warfare or the newly created country's inability to properly govern. All this assumes the fighting stays within the original US, and New Texas or New Cascadia-Idaho don't suddenly want to invade parts of Mexico/Canada 43 minutes ago, Sannie said: Yes. Yes, they will. What happens to the millions of people living in states who rely on funding from other states and the fed? How does a state like Alabama feed its poor and hungry without federal subsidies? How do states like Mississippi keep up without the infrastructure that keeps water clean with federal subsidies? What happens during natural disasters that displace millions without the federal govt helping? What happens to millions of oppressed minorities who only have the rights they do because of federal laws? What happens when bigger states begin to invade others for their resources? It's easy to forget about how much the fed helps us in every day life because we don't fully grasp how massive it is and how entranced it is in our daily life, but the truth is that we need it. Do you think 50 states breaking apart would go smoothly? If so, I have a Trump-branded bridge to sell you. Some of you just don't think any of this through. And even then, the imperial institutions that user clearly wants to dismantle will just end up unevenly distributed amongst whatever successor states want to fight for them. Disproportionate amounts of personnel and manufacturing for the military come from red states, nevermind the fact that the states with the strongest/best funded national guard units are usually the Republican ones too. That doesn't necessarily mean that all 50 states would all immediately break out into war with each other, but in this hypothetical there's nothing to keep an Abbott-helmed Texas government from teaming up with Oklahoma to seize the military facilities in eastern New Mexico or North Carolina from trying to take the stronger ports in Virginia for their own gain. It's less clear to see how the other institutions would be divided, but a Texas-sponsored CIA would probably be a lot more vociferous in its support for Israel or desire to topple the Maduro government for fun now that the Californians have no say over them 1 1
Luckitty Posted August 30 Posted August 30 55 minutes ago, Relampago. said: The US is largely interdependent between the states, and the individual states have huge variations in values and culture depending on which one it is. Even within these states, metropolitan areas are usually much more different than the red states they reside in. Breaking up the US would 100% cause immense amounts of violence, failing to properly allocate resources, determining who gets to keep the most prized remnants of the original US, and likely cause dozens of mini-civil wars in each region as groups struggle for power. There is no reality in which breaking up the US doesn't result in hundreds of thousands of deaths either through direct warfare or the newly created country's inability to properly govern. All this assumes the fighting stays within the original US, and New Texas or New Cascadia-Idaho don't suddenly want to invade parts of Mexico/Canada 55 minutes ago, Sannie said: Yes. Yes, they will. What happens to the millions of people living in states who rely on funding from other states and the fed? How does a state like Alabama feed its poor and hungry without federal subsidies? How do states like Mississippi keep up without the infrastructure that keeps water clean with federal subsidies? What happens during natural disasters that displace millions without the federal govt helping? What happens to millions of oppressed minorities who only have the rights they do because of federal laws? What happens when bigger states begin to invade others for their resources? It's easy to forget about how much the fed helps us in every day life because we don't fully grasp how massive it is and how entranced it is in our daily life, but the truth is that we need it. Do you think 50 states breaking apart would go smoothly? If so, I have a Trump-branded bridge to sell you. Some of you just don't think any of this through. idc about fictional scenarios @ me when it actually happens 3
on the line Posted August 30 Posted August 30 3 hours ago, monologueNacafe said: Are you 12? You're the one who downvotes every post I make, and this is your first time quoting me.... ******* weirdo (yes, in the republican way). 2 2
Relampago. Posted August 30 Posted August 30 18 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: And even then, the imperial institutions that user clearly wants to dismantle will just end up unevenly distributed amongst whatever successor states want to fight for them. Disproportionate amounts of personnel and manufacturing for the military come from red states, nevermind the fact that the states with the strongest/best funded national guard units are usually the Republican ones too. That doesn't necessarily mean that all 50 states would all immediately break out into war with each other, but in this hypothetical there's nothing to keep an Abbott-helmed Texas government from teaming up with Oklahoma to seize the military facilities in eastern New Mexico or North Carolina from trying to take the stronger ports in Virginia for their own gain. It's less clear to see how the other institutions would be divided, but a Texas-sponsored CIA would probably be a lot more vociferous in its support for Israel or desire to topple the Maduro government for fun now that the Californians have no say over them The way all of this is just WITHIN the US too. If you think global stability is rough now, if the US breaks apart it will be absolute mayhem as everyone tries to fill the power vacuum created by the US's sudden absence. Trade, diplomacy and regional wars would all disappear, with the latter more than likely evolving to full fledged world war. Like the US needs to **** off and stop meddling in other country's affairs, but I promise dissolving the US would create suffering and instability on a global scale not seen before. 4
Lil Mistee Posted August 30 Posted August 30 4 hours ago, Blade said: I love how this thread is relentlessly dragging Kamala on Palestine and her moving to the right on other issues and then we have ghost box posting some girl boss/try-hard wholesome Kamala content in between. as she should, queen 4 3 4
Relampago. Posted August 30 Posted August 30 19 minutes ago, Luckitty said: idc about fictional scenarios @ me when it actually happens I will remember your avi making me giggle as I look upon the fire and flames and the silhouettes of the Abbott Army soldiers coming to throw me into their Southwestern Union conversation camp 2
Bears01 Posted August 30 Posted August 30 Not Trump single handily doing what Kamala's biggest personal weakness is as a candidate: flip flopping then again he's done it his entire political career. 3
wastedpotential Posted August 30 Posted August 30 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Relampago. said: The way all of this is just WITHIN the US too. If you think global stability is rough now, if the US breaks apart it will be absolute mayhem as everyone tries to fill the power vacuum created by the US's sudden absence. Trade, diplomacy and regional wars would all disappear, with the latter more than likely evolving to full fledged world war. Like the US needs to **** off and stop meddling in other country's affairs, but I promise dissolving the US would create suffering and instability on a global scale not seen before. Now that I'm thinking about it, the US being dissolved would be cataclysmic How many millions are dependent upon US donations of money and crops to the WFP that would no longer come? How many successful farmers around the world are reliant on US oil to fill their tractor tanks to plow their fields (and how many are dependent on US tractors for maintenance and replacements)? What about US fertilizer exports (assuming that the neonazis in northern Idaho invade Canada for their potash)? I could go on, but like... the worst famines since the late-Qing dynasty breakdowns are baked into that scenario, and that's only one export sector Given that there's no one around to enforce the terms of a US 50-state split, what's to say all the red state governments (who really have very limited ideological differences at this point and whose territories are almost all contiguous) not unite alongside conservative rural populations in blue states and use their overwhelming resource, weapon, and manpower advantages to crush basically any hint of a political left in North America Eastern Oregonians would be thrilled to unite with the Idahoans and the Montanans and the Dakotans to wipe out the city of Portland Edited August 30 by wastedpotential 2
Communion Posted August 30 Posted August 30 "Actually, when I think about it, there'd be more harm and suffering if the US wasn't an oppressive global hegemonic power." Okay gorlies I think you're proving @Luckitty's point now ddd. 3 2
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