GhostBox Posted August 26 Posted August 26 (edited) Again they have nothing on this man 💀 Edited August 26 by GhostBox 1 1
Sannie Posted August 26 Posted August 26 3 hours ago, XDNA said: I agree; she has a problem with putting her foot in her mouth when on the spot. I do want the debate to happen because she has more to win than lose and because Trump is easily provoked into saying crazy stuff. Kamala has shown remarkable improvement in her speaking over the past few months. She is clearly training and practicing so I have no doubt she'd mop the floor with him. 8 hours ago, GhostBox said: So if Trump backs out of the ABC debate it has to be because he's afraid he's gonna lose it. But backing out would also make him look old and weak. So 💀 that's why he wants a Fox News debate so much. So they can do all the dirty work for him. I love the way Kamala and her team have handled this. Basically, "you do this one first and then we'll do more after". They've done a phenomenal job not caving into his demands or critiques the way HRC's team did in 2016. Their non-reaction to everything he does is driving him and his team crazy. 5
karron0624 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 hour ago, on the line said: What a load of **** that poster is if they think if Hilary had won the other thing that'd be different is abortion would be legal in some states where it isn't now. Yikes. I didn't realize they were this far gone. If hillary had won, we would not havr gotten the three justices needed to overturn Roe. Its a combination of hillary losing and Ginsburg dying that led to row being overturned. Thats not the user being gone, thats just a fact. 4
ClashAndBurn Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 hour ago, on the line said: What a load of **** that poster is if they think if Hilary had won the other thing that'd be different is abortion would be legal in some states where it isn't now. Yikes. I didn't realize they were this far gone. Hillary wouldn't have been able to pass any laws, confirm any cabinet positions, or nominate any judges. She would have been a completely paralyzed president with nothing to show for four years in office, and she probably would also be facing multiple congressional investigations and impeachment inquiries over her Emails, Benghazi, and various other scandals that the Republicans would have made up. She wouldn't have been able to pass ANY relief during COVID due to Republicans' obstruction, and the average American voters are idiotic troglodytes, so she would have been blamed for an irreparable economic collapse instead of the Republicans (just like how they got away with every government shutdown and were never punished for those - they have only ever faced electoral accountability over Dobbs) I don't think you people realize how dead the Democratic Party was before Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. Obama and Pelosi lost 1,000 seats up and down across every ticket in State and Federal legislatures. Abortion rights getting killed is the only reason the Democratic Party is even still alive as an institution today. 1 1 2
ClashAndBurn Posted August 26 Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, karron0624 said: If hillary had won, we would not havr gotten the three justices needed to overturn Roe. Its a combination of hillary losing and Ginsburg dying that led to row being overturned. Thats not the user being gone, thats just a fact. Ginsburg and Scalia's seats would have been held open by McConnell for a Republican to fill them, and Kennedy probably would have retired a couple years later than he ended up doing so. So the Republicans would still probably have gotten the three seats that they did anyway. The timeline of Roe getting deleted might have also been pushed back by a year, but we still would have ended up in the same place we are now. With a more competent Republican at the head of the party and a rotting Democratic Party that wouldn't have made any of the legislative gains they had in the wake of Trump winning in 2016. Hillary winning wouldn't have stopped Republicans from holding on to the House and Senate that Obama had completely failed to hold onto. 3
Sannie Posted August 26 Posted August 26 (edited) I understand Kamala's team not wanting the mics muted so he can make a fool of himself, but I think she wins either way. He can't interrupt her while she's tearing him apart and calling out his lies, and then when it's his turn to talk, he won't be able to focus on the current question because he'll be obsessed trying to respond to what she just said. I remember how Trump would constantly interject when HRC was talking which is why he ended up with the "you'd be in jail" clip that landed on HRC. It's a win-win for her and her team shouldn't get hung up on technicalities. Edited August 26 by Sannie
Communion Posted August 26 Posted August 26 (edited) 11 hours ago, Mike91 said: ngl, I rarely ever pay attention to my notifications. The only ones I ever catch are the ones that pop up at the bottom of the screen. However, the main point of what I said is that nothing has manifested since 2016. What exactly have progressives accomplished? Helping Trump get elected in 2016 didn't bring on the revolution. If anything it killed it. We have about as much power now as we've always had. After 2016, there should have been a long term plan to take the energy and momentum of Bernie's 2016 campaign and slowly transform the democratic party from within. Had Bernie used "Our Revolution" as a way to work with the democratic party, it might have seen more success. Truth is, there's two political parties in this country. You either work with the one closest aligned to your values or continue to get left out, which is exactly what happened. In return, it has accomplished nothing. Sis, were you a Hillary Hen in 2016? I ask not as an insult but I genuinely thought you were a Bernie supporter in 2016, so some of these claims are.. confusing? 1) Progressives didn't help Trump get elected in 2016. It's hard to imagine someone thinking that and them being a progressive. Because such kind of arguments are why progressives would view liberals as acting in bad faith: if somehow the onus of Clinton's political baggage is placed on them. Liberals ran a deeply unpopular candidate and ran a horrifically misguided campaign. Progressives still voted for her. Her base stayed home. She lost. 2) Suggesting nothing manifested because Clinton lost in 2016 oddly erases.. Biden's win? So does voting for Dems not matter? The praxis is confusing. Progressives voting for Clinton was progressives not voting for her and thus nothing can ever get done, but also progressives again voting for Biden is good and should be repeated but not an example of any change that happened for progressivism (aka it can't be held against Kamala for no longer supporting those policies?). It feels like denying objective reality to not acknowledge that the actual times progressives have shifted the Overton window and gained support for their causes are when a Republican is president or *before* a Democrat becomes president by demanding concessions from them and receiving them. You didn't address the claim of "No one wants to talk about economic populism while having to defend abortion and gay marriage" and yet it was under Trump that Democrats and Democratic voters boomed in support for Medicare For All (and how the movement for the policy died under Biden), and Harris herself now has to try and do Obama's trick of stealing the rhetoric of populism to win. The issue being she is trying to do the same old gambit of morphing progressive populism into liberal populism despite this failing Dems in the past, even if they had short-term electoral wins, because the foundation of America itself cracked under neoliberalism and unleashed Trump. Edited August 26 by Communion
nadiamendell Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Hillary wouldn't have been able to pass any laws, confirm any cabinet positions, or nominate any judges. She would have been a completely paralyzed president with nothing to show for four years in office, and she probably would also be facing multiple congressional investigations and impeachment inquiries over her Emails, Benghazi, and various other scandals that the Republicans would have made up. She wouldn't have been able to pass ANY relief during COVID due to Republicans' obstruction, and the average American voters are idiotic troglodytes, so she would have been blamed for an irreparable economic collapse instead of the Republicans (just like how they got away with every government shutdown and were never punished for those - they have only ever faced electoral accountability over Dobbs) I don't think you people realize how dead the Democratic Party was before Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. Obama and Pelosi lost 1,000 seats up and down across every ticket in State and Federal legislatures. Abortion rights getting killed is the only reason the Democratic Party is even still alive as an institution today. All of this. COVID would have been just as much of a mess under her (if not more, due to the reasons mentioned above) and Trump would have been elected in 2020. The Democrats are likely better off thanks to her 2016 loss. They can blame the COVID mess (along with the associated job losses), loss of abortion rights, etc. all on Trump instead of playing defense. 1 1
Rotunda Posted August 26 Posted August 26 24 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: All of this. COVID would have been just as much of a mess under her (if not more, due to the reasons mentioned above) and Trump would have been elected in 2020. The Democrats are likely better off thanks to her 2016 loss. They can blame the COVID mess (along with the associated job losses), loss of abortion rights, etc. all on Trump instead of playing defense. I don't think the GOP nominates Trump again if he loses in 2016. He has to have some proof of success in order for the GOP to be tethered to him. A world where he doesn't deliver them SCOTUS justices is a world where he isn't a necessary evil for the mainstream powers that be. COVID becoming a culture war issue rather than a moment of national unity was entirely Trump's fault, and he actually could have coasted to reelection if he handled the pandemic even remotely well. All he had to do was make a line of Trump Masks. Presidents are usually able to ride tragedies and seismic events in a way that benefits them, Trump being unable to do that just illustrates how inept he is. I think a Clinton presidency would have still sucked, but I don't see a world where her covid response is worse. 3 1
Gaia Posted August 26 Posted August 26 (edited) The fact that I genuinely believe Kamala HQ Twitter/TikTok has been a huge influence on Kamala's youth lead is sending me I have legit fallen in love with her personality from TikTok's due to whatever genius intern is running that account Edited August 26 by Gaia 2
Sannie Posted August 26 Posted August 26 11 minutes ago, FameFatale said: We knew it was coming Kind of obsessed with Trump's team being like, "getting people whose supporters already support you, to endorse you is going to help you win!" 5
Miles. Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Genuine question, and I'm not sure if this is the right thread for it, so feel free to point me somewhere else, but does anyone have any ideas on how to un-redpill certain family members? My family is religious, but they are very moderate and have always been anti-Trump. They were Obama supporters all through his presidency, hated Hillary and Trump in 2016, and supported Biden in 2020 but grew to hate him and see him as a joke. I thought they would be excited about Harris replacing Biden, but they are saying she's an idiot who has never done anything, and are now saying they "would have a very tough time choosing between Trump and Harris." I was shocked, and pushed back by trying to explain a few of the good things Harris has done, and reminded them of how NOT Christian Trump is. (This is a huge deal for them.) These are intelligent, mostly kind people who have NEVER exhibited any pro-Trump sentiment before. I genuinely think they are getting redpilled by blatant misinformation online, especially on YouTube. One of them mentioned some story about Joe Rogan suing MSNBC for $30M for lying about him, and when I looked it up, it wasn't even true. I think they're seeing a lot of similar stuff that's moving them further to the right, and it really upsets me because these are people that I love and respect. So, if anyone has some simple, effective talking points that I could use to gently and slowly remedy this, I'd love to hear. PS: They are anti-choice (except in extreme cases) because of the bible, so that argument doesn't work at all. 3
FameFatale Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Sannie said: Kind of obsessed with Trump's team being like, "getting people whose supporters already support you, to endorse you is going to help you win!" I guess people who follow politics like we do it isn't a surprise, but to every day people I guess seeing "Democrats" come out and support him is some big win. Idk. I think they're just doing it because of all the Republicans coming out in support of Kamala at the DNC.
Rotunda Posted August 26 Posted August 26 4 minutes ago, Miles. said: Genuine question, and I'm not sure if this is the right thread for it, so feel free to point me somewhere else, but does anyone have any ideas on how to un-redpill certain family members? My family is religious, but they are very moderate and have always been anti-Trump. They were Obama supporters all through his presidency, hated Hillary and Trump in 2016, and supported Biden in 2020 but grew to hate him and see him as a joke. I thought they would be excited about Harris replacing Biden, but they are saying she's an idiot who has never done anything, and are now saying they "would have a very tough time choosing between Trump and Harris." I was shocked, and pushed back by trying to explain a few of the good things Harris has done, and reminded them of how NOT Christian Trump is. (This is a huge deal for them.) These are intelligent, mostly kind people who have NEVER exhibited any pro-Trump sentiment before. I genuinely think they are getting redpilled by blatant misinformation online, especially on YouTube. One of them mentioned some story about Joe Rogan suing MSNBC for $30M for lying about him, and when I looked it up, it wasn't even true. I think they're seeing a lot of similar stuff that's moving them further to the right, and it really upsets me because these are people that I love and respect. So, if anyone has some simple, effective talking points that I could use to gently and slowly remedy this, I'd love to hear. PS: They are anti-choice (except in extreme cases) because of the bible, so that argument doesn't work at all. I saw a really interesting TikTok where this woman basically pulled out this list of traits in a good Christian (I can't remember the verse she was pulling from but I feel like it was one of the books that starts with a P). She said she always asks Republicans to name which of the 7 or so traits Trump fits, and they never have a response. 3
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