news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Gaia]

3 hours ago, Harriser said:

You and the rest of your ilk were headed here regardless, have been desperately searching for reasons to return back to this position. You laughably claim 'divine intervention' but it has been a self fulfilling prophecy from day one and the most predictable thing imaginable. You act like Harris has betrayed you in some way, when you have known from day one that she is not a member of the progressive wing of the party, that she was never going to wake up tomorrow as Cori Bush, and indeed if she did that she would be sent packing in an electoral landslide. You are the same people that now hate Bernie Sanders and AOC - some of the only progressive congresspeople with any real power - because they did not continue your continuous match leftward, and because they are prepared to work with liberals to achieve progressive goals. You are deliberately blind about the realities of appealing to the American electorate, and pretend as if people like Kamala position themselves the way they do for no reason other than that they're just super evil bad people.

 

It is fundamentally childish and stupid to envision voting as a 'moral' act, as you and others do. Voting is a strategic decision based on helping the candidate win who most closely aligns to some kind of political goal - that is it. It is blatantly obvious that Kamala Harris will be immensely better for the American people and those around the world than Donald Trump, but your purist moral handwringing over what a terrible liberal she is manages to obscure this obvious fact in your mind. It is a good thing you represent a tiny minority within a minority, and that you don't live in a swing state. If the French were all like you, we'd have president LePen. Thank god you remain, and will continue to remain, a fringe online communist whose views hold no actual power or currency outside of this forum 

Phew a READ. So tired of that user and his little gang constant spewing the same **** in every political thread. Yall were never going to vote for Kamala, so listening to your opinion on what she should do or what her policy should be makes no sense. 
 

Im glad she knows this and is paying them no mind. 
 

There is no wiggle room with that crowd and it's very clear that they will hate anything she does regardless. 
 

I hope she continues her current path on focusing on people who will or were going to vote for her.

 

Some of yall need to keep your word, go vote independent, know your vote this election was useless, and move on. But demanding things from Kamala when you've made it clear you aren't voting for her is laughable?

Edited August 24 by Gaia

[ClashAndBurn]

 

[Graves]

I don't get the "well y'all were never going to support her anyway!!!" posts.

 

If anything, the level of excitement in this thread after the nominee switch indicates that even many of the staunch leftists in here were very open to supporting Harris as a candidate, you know... provided that there was an actual leftward shift from the previous admin. After the DNC, it seems that this won't be the case and so the support has dried up. Makes perfect sense to me?

 

It's quite disingenuous to somehow try and frame this as all of the "evil leftists" just biding their time and waiting for Harris to slip up so they could pull their support back. Actually I think there's genuine disappointment among a lot of the left-wing members today. Myself included. Disappointment that we're not going to have any palpable change on policy with Gaza, and disappointment that we seem to be signing up for more of Biden's stagnant policy in other areas too.

[Virgos Groove]

 

I hate this world so ******* much

 

[ClashAndBurn]

27 minutes ago, Graves said:

I don't get the "well y'all were never going to support her anyway!!!" posts.

 

If anything, the level of excitement in this thread after the nominee switch indicates that even many of the staunch leftists in here were very open to supporting Harris as a candidate, you know... provided that there was an actual leftward shift from the previous admin. After the DNC, it seems that this won't be the case and so the support has dried up. Makes perfect sense to me?

 

It's quite disingenuous to somehow try and frame this as all of the "evil leftists" just biding their time and waiting for Harris to slip up so they could pull their support back. Actually I think there's genuine disappointment among a lot of the left-wing members today. Myself included. Disappointment that we're not going to have any palpable change on policy with Gaza, and disappointment that we seem to be signing up for more of Biden's stagnant policy in other areas too.

The sheer amount of glee over leftists getting nothing and gloating over their concerns about a genocide being completely and utterly dismissed are just... appalling...

[FameFatale]

 

[thesegayz]

2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I guess thinking that dancing and mocking protesters is disgusting behavior is also a "purity test" and making the "perfect the enemy of the good."

 

2 hours ago, Relampago. said:

God, it makes my heart race and my stomach churn. 

 

Even if you don't agree with the protestor's actions, have some ****ing respect and treat others with dignity. It's no wonder the US is the ire of the world when people see us dance and laugh in the face of genocide.

It's 4 people, in fact, it's one drunk person dancing. Not the whole "Nc dNc"

 

you guys acts like Hakeem Jeffries, Ch*ck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Kamala Harris, and Tim Walz are joined hand in hand doing the Texas two step to Palestine protesters.

 

get a grip, Goldilocks  

[thesegayz]

2 hours ago, One Rude Boy said:

the run of the mill democrat stans in here don't understand the fundamental core of leftists' political feelings - or, at least, my leftism, and others don't need to agree.

 

I will only vote for someone that I'd be proud to have voted for on my death bed in 60 years. It's not just being pragmatic, it is a moral and ethical choice, I am helping to put this person into power. For me. And I am very open to voting for Harris, but "you're only helping Trump!!" is ridiculous and self-gratifying, you aren't trying to persuade anyone. You are trying to get a one-up, feel superior, and degrade others for the Blue Team

You're not going to think about who you vote for when you're 60. And if you do, you need to live a fuller life. You're feelings ≠ the horrors that Americans will have to live through.

 

voting is a right. When we treat it like a religion, with morals and righteousness, we get kings. You aren't "helping" someone get elected, unless you're canvassing or working a campaign, you're casting a vote that you're entitled to. 
 

but go off on being able to look at a dying petunia your family will get you and not be reminded of the Palestinian Genocide

[thesegayz]

5 hours ago, Harriser said:

You and the rest of your ilk were headed here regardless, have been desperately searching for reasons to return back to this position. You laughably claim 'divine intervention' but it has been a self fulfilling prophecy from day one and the most predictable thing imaginable. You act like Harris has betrayed you in some way, when you have known from day one that she is not a member of the progressive wing of the party, that she was never going to wake up tomorrow as Cori Bush, and indeed if she did that she would be sent packing in an electoral landslide. You are the same people that now hate Bernie Sanders and AOC - some of the only progressive congresspeople with any real power - because they did not continue your continuous match leftward, and because they are prepared to work with liberals to achieve progressive goals. You are deliberately blind about the realities of appealing to the American electorate, and pretend as if people like Kamala position themselves the way they do for no reason other than that they're just super evil bad people.

 

It is fundamentally childish and stupid to envision voting as a 'moral' act, as you and others do. Voting is a strategic decision based on helping the candidate win who most closely aligns to some kind of political goal - that is it. It is blatantly obvious that Kamala Harris will be immensely better for the American people and those around the world than Donald Trump, but your purist moral handwringing over what a terrible liberal she is manages to obscure this obvious fact in your mind. It is a good thing you represent a tiny minority within a minority, and that you don't live in a swing state. If the French were all like you, we'd have president LePen. Thank god you remain, and will continue to remain, a fringe online communist whose views hold no actual power or currency outside of this forum 

Tell them 

[Breathe On Moi]

5 hours ago, Harriser said:

You and the rest of your ilk were headed here regardless, have been desperately searching for reasons to return back to this position. You laughably claim 'divine intervention' but it has been a self fulfilling prophecy from day one and the most predictable thing imaginable. You act like Harris has betrayed you in some way, when you have known from day one that she is not a member of the progressive wing of the party, that she was never going to wake up tomorrow as Cori Bush, and indeed if she did that she would be sent packing in an electoral landslide. You are the same people that now hate Bernie Sanders and AOC - some of the only progressive congresspeople with any real power - because they did not continue your continuous match leftward, and because they are prepared to work with liberals to achieve progressive goals. You are deliberately blind about the realities of appealing to the American electorate, and pretend as if people like Kamala position themselves the way they do for no reason other than that they're just super evil bad people.

 

It is fundamentally childish and stupid to envision voting as a 'moral' act, as you and others do. Voting is a strategic decision based on helping the candidate win who most closely aligns to some kind of political goal - that is it. It is blatantly obvious that Kamala Harris will be immensely better for the American people and those around the world than Donald Trump, but your purist moral handwringing over what a terrible liberal she is manages to obscure this obvious fact in your mind. It is a good thing you represent a tiny minority within a minority, and that you don't live in a swing state. If the French were all like you, we'd have president LePen. Thank god you remain, and will continue to remain, a fringe online communist whose views hold no actual power or currency outside of this forum 

oop

[midnightdawn]

I think that people are harder on female candidates than male ones. Hillary and Kamala get picked apart far more than Joe did. People expect them to be perfect candidates.

 

[Graves]

3 minutes ago, Harriser said:

Why are we continuing to present basic political positioning as some kind of radical, permanent shift right?

 

Presidential politics 101 is attempting to present your opponent as 'outside of the mainstream', or as extremist. The Republicans do this all day by attempting to turn Kamala into the radical far left communist you all would like her to be, while trying (and failing) to get Donald Trump to position himself as some kind of stability unity candidate. The Democrats are attempting to define Donald Trump and the modern Republican party as having changed, having become extreme in comparison to the Republicans of the past. They make this even more effective by getting endorsements from disgruntled Republicans and by co-opting something Reagan might have said at some point, etc.

 

People like RFK Jr and Tulsi Gabbard are the same function for the right wing. Does their existence mean Trump is going left? No. Obviously not. They're politically useful tools. It's not even just about getting never Trump Republicans as people are claiming, either, it's about Independents who are largely very responsive to kind of populist-moderate messaging. 

 

It's all politics 101 **** yet yall actively choose to forget it for the purposes of yet another day of lib bashing

But mama, we can only judge off of what we're given. There's no policy page on the Harris for President site, and up until now the campaign has been a very surface-level, vibes-based campaign. The DNC was the first look at what a Harris-lead democratic party might look like. Thus the disappointment.

 

When it comes to an issue like Gaza, what we know about Harris is that: A) she does not support any kind of weapons embargo to Israel, B) that her team seemingly denied the opportunity for a Palestinian speaker to take stage at the DNC, and C) that she's continued to offer the same feckless "ceasefire" comment that even members of her own party (Omar) have criticized as utterly vacuous.

 

I'm very willing to have egg on my face if she were to turn around and gag me with a real policy shift on this, or some other capitulations to the left, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely, don't you think?

[Armani?]

10 hours ago, Sannie said:

 

This always happens. She starts off soft and gets more and more intense as it goes.
 

Intense is a understatement

 

Playing the centrist to genocide and calling for the most lethal military on the planet sent me even if it's not really unexpected

 

[Breathe On Moi]

3 hours ago, Wonderland said:

Oh it's Joever all over again

is it?

[Sannie]

5 hours ago, Harriser said:

You and the rest of your ilk were headed here regardless, have been desperately searching for reasons to return back to this position. You laughably claim 'divine intervention' but it has been a self fulfilling prophecy from day one and the most predictable thing imaginable. You act like Harris has betrayed you in some way, when you have known from day one that she is not a member of the progressive wing of the party, that she was never going to wake up tomorrow as Cori Bush, and indeed if she did that she would be sent packing in an electoral landslide. You are the same people that now hate Bernie Sanders and AOC - some of the only progressive congresspeople with any real power - because they did not continue your continuous match leftward, and because they are prepared to work with liberals to achieve progressive goals. You are deliberately blind about the realities of appealing to the American electorate, and pretend as if people like Kamala position themselves the way they do for no reason other than that they're just super evil bad people.

 

It is fundamentally childish and stupid to envision voting as a 'moral' act, as you and others do. Voting is a strategic decision based on helping the candidate win who most closely aligns to some kind of political goal - that is it. It is blatantly obvious that Kamala Harris will be immensely better for the American people and those around the world than Donald Trump, but your purist moral handwringing over what a terrible liberal she is manages to obscure this obvious fact in your mind. It is a good thing you represent a tiny minority within a minority, and that you don't live in a swing state. If the French were all like you, we'd have president LePen. Thank god you remain, and will continue to remain, a fringe online communist whose views hold no actual power or currency outside of this forum 

Their response being "you're Australia" bc you hit the nail on the head .
 

They're having a hard time coping with the DNC protests being a giant bust. They were promised 50k people showing up and they wanted violence and chaos. They were instead hit with the sobering reality that their movement compromised of people who sit online 18 hours a day doesn't have much power once you step into the real world. 

[Sannie]

12 minutes ago, Armani? said:

Intense is a understatement

 

Playing the centrist to genocide and calling for the most lethal military on the planet sent me even if it's not really unexpected

 

Her comment about having a lethal military was entirely separate from the genocide. Besides, I appreciate that she didn't mince words and called the military what the military is meant to be: a killing machine. For far too long politicians have attempted to downplay the entire point of a military by using cutesy words and phrases.

 

But again, she's playing to undecided voters, and we know that, that kind of nasty, pro military stance is like catnip to them. She wants to win the White House, not the approval of online leftist who aren't going to vote. 

[Princess Aurora]

So does anybody know what is happening? 

[ClashAndBurn]

The smug left-punching from the usuals in here is genuinely even more of a turnoff than Kamala's warmongering and racist denial of Palestinians having a voice on stage at the DNC.

 

Personally, this shows why I believe you people deserve nothing more than the absolute worst that a Trump presidency has to offer.

Honestly, was still going to vote for her purely for meeting the lowest possible bar not picking that vile Zionist Shapiro as her running-mate, but at this point the gloating from @Sannie, @Harriser, @thesegayz and @GhostBox is disgusting me enough to even reconsider that. So congrats guys!

Edited August 24 by ClashAndBurn

[karron0624]

Ummmm, wtf is going on in this thread. Some of you are too online. Leftist are obviously trying to push Kamala left on her stances before she gets elected. It does not mean they wont vote for her. There are some leftist who are fringe and were looking for a way out of commitment, but that is not all of them. 
 

Punching low on each other does nothing. Some of you libs do need to listen to people like @Communion and @ClashAndBurn because they represent where the party needs to go, and as Tim Walz says, we need to stop being afraid to be unapologetically democratic. If Nancy Pelosi herself is punching left, then we need to stop and think.

 

On the other hand, some of you leftist need to stop with the doom and gloom about, we everything. Protest to change minds, but also participate in the political process throughout instead of giving up at the first pushback.

 

Just fyi for people on both sides, we still do need volunteers. I'll be canvassing in georgia this week, Michigan next week, and not sure what other weekends yet till i get the schedule from my base. If yall want to help and widen your sphere of influence, go knock on doors, talk policy, and bring that policy information back with how voters respond, because that provides sway as well.

 

My last time in this thread for a while. You guys are being contentious for absolutely no reason. Some of you do need to grow up. ✌️

[on the line]

5 hours ago, toxicgenie said:

It's ironic that the self-proclaimed righteous and extreme Left mocks you for not being American when many (maybe majority) of their online click are not American either. 

 

And one of their loudest members is from Argentina. 

Yikes. This brigade gets worse and worse the more users call them out. Keep going!!

[Slamless]

mommy im scared can we just get some @Vermillion  tweets thats why I use this thread  (thx bby v grateful)

[on the line]

1 hour ago, midnightdawn said:

I think that people are harder on female candidates than male ones. Hillary and Kamala get picked apart far more than Joe did. People expect them to be perfect candidates.

 

It seems to ring true especially hard on forums like this where users treat their candidates like MPGs. 

 

1 hour ago, Breathe On Moi said:

is it?

It's not. It's jus the usual doom and gloom crew who don't reflect most American's thoughts and attitudes. They are just louder.than the rational ones.

 

1 hour ago, Graves said:

 

 

I'm very willing to have egg on my face if she were to turn around and gag me with a real policy shift on this, or some other capitulations to the left, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely, don't you think?

It's unlikely because she never was going to do that. This election isn't about that. It never has been. It's wild the expectations people have for this election.

 

3 hours ago, Gaia said:

Phew a READ. So tired of that user and his little gang constant spewing the same **** in every political thread. Yall were never going to vote for Kamala, so listening to your opinion on what she should do or what her policy should be makes no sense. 
 

 

Put them on ignore. They are not serious or genuine posters. It's not worth your time. Though warning they will still obsess over you and downvote all your comments.

 

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

Their response being "you're Australia" bc you hit the nail on the head .

These kind of personal "insults" are their go-to when they can't actually articulate a genuine article. One of the little ones brought up where I live and my salary. That's ******* psycho, stalker behavior. Very unstable.

 

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

But again, she's playing to undecided voters, and we know that, that kind of nasty, pro military stance is like catnip to them. She wants to win the White House, not the approval of online leftist who aren't going to vote. 

 

The accuracy in this. It's like everyone suddenly forgot her war hawk label from the 2020 election cycle.

 

[Rotunda]

4 hours ago, One Rude Boy said:

the run of the mill democrat stans in here don't understand the fundamental core of leftists' political feelings - or, at least, my leftism, and others don't need to agree.

 

I will only vote for someone that I'd be proud to have voted for on my death bed in 60 years. It's not just being pragmatic, it is a moral and ethical choice, I am helping to put this person into power. For me. And I am very open to voting for Harris, but "you're only helping Trump!!" is ridiculous and self-gratifying, you aren't trying to persuade anyone. You are trying to get a one-up, feel superior, and degrade others for the Blue Team

Is it not also about self-gratification to vote on the basis of who you think you would have been happy to have voted for 60 years in the future? 
 

I don't think there's been a single president who I'd say has true moral clarity. Some people may have ran for office who had true moral clarity, but the position itself feels so corruptible in nature.

 

They are funding coups, ordering drone strikes, deciding when and when not to award aid to people in need, etc. Even the most progressive candidate is expected to make decisions (including the decision not to act) that will kill many. The scandals and crimes we hear about are only a portion of what happens in the real world. 

 

 I don't think I'll have pride in anyone I've voted for on my death bed. I just think I'll be confident that I thought I made the best decision for the world at the time.

 

This isn't meant to criticize you for wanting to vote or a candidate you can defend on your death bed, I think I'm just curious what leftists view to be an ethical president 

[on the line]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

36 minutes ago, karron0624 said:

 

Punching low on each other does nothing. Some of you libs do need to listen to people like blank and @ClashAndBurn because they represent where the party needs to go, and as Tim Walz says, we need to stop being afraid to be unapologetically democratic. If Nancy Pelosi herself is punching left, then we need to stop and think.

 

 

Sis....they just said they aren't going to vote because some people on the internet disagreed with their stances. I'm definitely not listening to that. Be real.

 

lmao.

Edited August 24 by on the line

[Bears01]

13 hours ago, Bloo said:

?

 

This comment is blithely ignoring the effects of gerrymandering and countless other systemic problems that result in things like unrepresentative divided governments. Just punching down on the American people, as if they're consciously responsible for all of it rather than an entire system designed to misrepresent us, feels misdirected.

That poster did have a point. I can't tell you how many times I've talked to people who have absolutely no idea that laws are supposed to be created through Congress, and literally think the president has all the power in the world, and controls absolutely everything from the economy, to the very laws that are on the books and can just be changed because they want it to. 
 

Not that long ago, a coworker came right up to me and said "did you hear? Joe Biden is trying to make us only have a 32 hour work week! Can you believe this?!?!" I was like "dawg. Congress will never let that happen" his response: "Congress don't control that, the PRESIDENT does!"…..

 

I hear the same thing from my Trump supporting friends: "my wallet was fatter when Trump controlled the economy and all the laws he himself passed that made the economy strong" my response is always: "the only law Trump signed was a tax cut for the wealthy" them: "nuh UH! When Trump was in charge, I never stopped working"