Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Kassi said: Meanwhile, she's literally passed everything from marijuana legalization to campaign financing reform. And if we're sitting here in 2023 with a 52-48 D Senate and House majority, and miraculously moderates in both chambers switch their votes from Yes to No, on the exact same bills, what is going to be the excuse?
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Communion said: And if we're sitting here in 2023 with a 52-48 D Senate and House majority, and miraculously moderates in both chambers switch their votes from Yes to No, on the exact same bills, what is going to be the excuse? That Pelosi is retired, but it wouldn't hurt for Speaker Jayapal to give her a quick ring for some tips on how to get AOC and Gottheimer to quit bickering about each other to Politico.
rihannabiggestfan Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Can I ask why Bernie gets blamed for stuff failing in the Senate? I don’t really keep up with this thread, but Pelosi can pass stuff through the House because there’s a fairly comfortable Dem majority there, while in the Senate every Dem has to vote along party lines just to get simple legislation through. Am I missing something as far as Bernie’s role, or is it just an attempt to troll about politics on a pop culture forum? Because even if we point fingers at people in the Senate, I would call it Kamala’s or Chuck’s Senate. Genuine question though, I would like to know if there’s some truth to Bernie’s senate. Pressed neolibs are trolling I respect Bernie so much for being just about the only person in the Senate to stand for and with the American people
rihannabiggestfan Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Espresso said: For everyone except people with Medicare. So Medicare for All would be great!
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Kassi said: That Pelosi is retired Come on, sis. Be serious. Pelosi's not gonna retire when there's still stocks to buy. I just don't understand the unwavering denial of history. Whether you think it is symptomatic of institutional corruption or a few bad apples, the describe scenario has happened again... and again.... and again... and again. It does veer into gaslighting to deny reality when voters' confidence in both parties are at historic lows.
Vermillion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 I’m not going to try to unpack all the side-meetings that occurred over the past 24 hours, but if I start anywhere it’ll be with Warnock or Ossoff. Certain conversations that should be dominating headlines won’t and certain things I think are trivial will dominate. I don’t have a Poli. Sci. degree but worked several campaigns and on the Hill. All I’m going to say is framing as selfish the base voters wishes (such as Latinos that have been leaving Dems in droves as well as black women that have said they’ll stay home otherwise) of short-term results in student loans, drug price caps, fed. min. wage increases, at a minimum to determine whether they’ll show up for the midterms is not helpful. In fact it’ll backfire. But everyone will get to run towards their optimal scapegoat and the albatross of the millions that never vote will stay stinking up the room. Mostly because polling is still a poor science. (Kansas and Roe being the glaring asterisk to all of this whose referendum is not easily replicable even if the left wanted to).
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 42 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Can I ask why Bernie gets blamed for stuff failing in the Senate? I don’t really keep up with this thread, but Pelosi can pass stuff through the House because there’s a fairly comfortable Dem majority there, while in the Senate every Dem has to vote along party lines just to get simple legislation through. Am I missing something as far as Bernie’s role, or is it just an attempt to troll about politics on a pop culture forum? Because even if we point fingers at people in the Senate, I would call it Kamala’s or Chuck’s Senate. Genuine question though, I would like to know if there’s some truth to Bernie’s senate. Same reason why Pelosi gets blamed for stuff failing in the Senate, I guess. Scoring political points on a pop forum. Though, I initially didn't start posting in this thread like this. Admittedly, I preferred and still do prefer to rail on Republicans who are actually a threat to American democracy and the planet as a whole. Not people who agree on 90% of things. But once I picked up on the pattern of leftists blaming Pelosi, the most accomplished and effective progressive legislator of our generation, for every failure, I had to start pushing blame CLOSER to the source of conflict. Cause honestly, does it make more sense to fault a House representative or a Senate representative for the Senate failing to meet the moment? Especially when we're talking about a budget resolution in a Senate where Bernie is the budget chairman. Additionally, I know it's easy as a society to take women's labor for granted, but if Pelosi were a man, the things she's been able to pull off would not go unnoticed. Least of all make her the target of every leftist's ire because she doesn't bring stupid thing like the Green New Deal (which isn't even a climate bill, but a purity resolution designed to fracture her caucus) to the floor for a vote. A resolution that even BERNIE himself voted against in the Senate when McConnell brought it to a vote because it was a trap. Make it make sense. Truth is there's nothing "comfortable" about this slim House majority. Pelosi just makes it look really easy. Quote The last time the Democratic Party came into a Congress with as narrow an advantage over the Republicans as the one it won last year, the speaker of the House was Samuel Randall. It’s possible you haven’t heard of him. He died in 1890. Democrats’ nine-member majority coming into the 117th Congress was the narrowest for the party relative to the GOP since Randall’s 46th.
Armani? Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 15 hours ago, Kassi said: #AmendmentKing Not you celebrating seniors not getting adequate healthcare to dunk on Bernie
rihannabiggestfan Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Armani? said: Not you celebrating seniors not getting adequate healthcare to dunk on Bernie Evil even Trump is shook at this rate
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 57 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Can I ask why Bernie gets blamed for stuff failing in the Senate? I don’t really keep up with this thread, but Pelosi can pass stuff through the House because there’s a fairly comfortable Dem majority there, while in the Senate every Dem has to vote along party lines just to get simple legislation through. Am I missing something as far as Bernie’s role, or is it just an attempt to troll about politics on a pop culture forum? Because even if we point fingers at people in the Senate, I would call it Kamala’s or Chuck’s Senate. Genuine question though, I would like to know if there’s some truth to Bernie’s senate. It's just trolling. Ever since Biden's approvals tanked, Kassi has gone from going "Biden is undeniably popular!!" when **** was hitting the fan to now just spending their days by trying to upset people by being a pro-Manchin stan to be a contrarian. See: Them spending 3 pages recently praising Manchin for blocking the inclusion of dental and vision in the IRA, as well as praising Manchin for "stopping progressives' reckless spending" when Manchin blocked both the extended CTC on the claim "poor parents are more likely to do drugs" and the free school meals waiver on the idea that it and the other relief was creating a "culture of entitlement". They basically shifted from "stop blaming Biden and blaming that ghoul Manchin" to "actually Manchin is an icon and I hope Sander dies!" after seeing that such a mindset didn't stop Biden's approvals from tanking. So now they just kind of skulk around the thread like a cat that can smell cancer in old people trying to, for some reason, run public relations for Democrats and lash out at anyone who's like "I.. don't think things are going well :/".
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, Communion said: Come on, sis. Be serious. Pelosi's not gonna retire when there's still stocks to buy. I just don't understand the unwavering denial of history. Whether you think it is symptomatic of institutional corruption or a few bad apples, the describe scenario has happened again... and again.... and again... and again. It does veer into gaslighting to deny reality when voters' confidence in both parties are at historic lows. If your leftist framework/perspective of politics leads you to believe that Pelosi passes things out of the House that she doesn't intend to ACTUALLY pass, should Bernie's Senate do its job, then I don't know what to tell you. Because it'll never be enough. She's damned if she tries, tripled damned if she doesn't. But like I said, I don't expect coherent logic out of leftists now that I understand the oversized impact that aesthetic concerns have in their calculus. Like, the fact that Pelosi and Markey were the first to pass a climate bill (where tf was Bernie? ) resulting in US CO2 emissions peaking over a decade ago doesn't mean anything. All that matters to leftists is that Markey is good because he shills for AOC and Pelosi is bad because she doesn't defer to AOC. It's very weird. In a normal world, if you LIKED Bernie, then you would LOVE Pelosi for actually bringing aspects of his vision to life. But leftists live in their own made up world where vision > action.
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, Armani? said: Not you celebrating seniors not getting adequate healthcare to dunk on Bernie Ok, then every time you and your friends dunk on Pelosi, you're celebrating all these things failing: Does that sound fair?
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 Shot: 3 minutes ago, Kassi said: should Bernie's Senate do its job Chaser: 7 minutes ago, Communion said: It's just trolling. They basically shifted from "stop blaming Biden and blaming that ghoul Manchin" to "actually Manchin is an icon and I hope Sander dies!" after seeing that such a mindset didn't stop Biden's approvals from tanking. So now they just kind of skulk around the thread like a cat that can smell cancer in old people trying to, for some reason, run public relations for Democrats and lash out at anyone who's like "I.. don't think things are going well :/". *nervous laughter*
Armani? Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, Kassi said: Every-time you and your friend dunk on Pelosi, you're celebrating all these things failing: Does that sound fair? We dunk on Pelosi when she does things like simp for the Republican party and call for them to be stronger & more negotiable publically which is deluded or support a anti abortion Democrat in a primary despite fundraising off codifying Roe V Wade
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kassi said: every time you and your friends The fact that this outs you as still thinking of politics at entertainment and that you think this thread is no different from when your fellow corporate executive friends in a groupchat treat politics like sports betting where half-measures are just fine. There's no conspiratorial 'friend group" that aims to hate on Biden. There's just a myriad of people that make up most users on here who don't enjoy the privilege for Democrats to continually fail to deliver on their promises. It's actually kinda heartbreaking that you think the people engaging in here are just some clique shooting **** and not people desperately trying to reconcile the doom-gazing of Democrats' continued failures with the reality of trying to make life better. Your reality is just so different and removed from the life of most normal Americans. It's a bit soul-crushing to know politicians will continually cater to you and people like you and not the rest of us when you are not the kind of experiences most Americans have nor are you faced w/ the needs most Americans need their government to act on. Edited August 7, 2022 by Communion
GhostBox Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Espresso said: But the two parties are the sameeeeee
GhostBox Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Espresso said: Not the most perfect bill but a big step forward in the right direction. Still amazing this made it through a 50/50 senate. ??????
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