GhostBox Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Big win for America and the Biden administration ????????
Antonini Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Communion said: I'm sorry but it's genuinely ridiculous to remember @Antonini talking about "you guys are so negative!!!!" while having our resident Wall Street member spend 3 pages trying to trollbait people and get a reaction by gloating that they're glad Joe Manchin blocked grandma and grandpa from having new dentures because THAT would have apparently been what would make Dems lose the midterms? Hes part of the negativity too, bruh. One page of this thread is the equivalent of 3 days worth of doomscrolling twitter in a pop forum post. Like dang. Whats going on in your neighborhood tho? How are people feeling in your area? It's quiet here in LA, since were in a bit of a down time til the election. Wondering what tone Caruso will take after all his money couldnt even buy him first place ?
Kassi Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Communion said: A literal temper tantrum and trying to debunk arguments never made because their own virtue signaling failed to actually address that you can't help enrich Saudi Arabia by buying their oil without directly making Russia richer. You've not isolated Russia from the world - you've gone and opened its market up to countless others, who are now just using their new source to run up their profit margins elsewhere. See: Refusing to address Biden pushing companies to use Russian fertilizer. See also: The refusal to address how their lie of "we can't stop KSA from buying Russian oil" and how such doesn't align with the reality of the US threatening to sanction both India and China for buying Russian oil. Of course none of this is a *moral* argument nor is anyone trying to make one. No one is for Ukrainians being hurt by Russians. Though it's funny to see someone mock the moral argument behind ending climate change while trying to use dead Ukrainians as some political prop (remember when Kassi, Ghostbox and others celebrated Biden's army blowing up a van that ended up being a water van and not jihadists? ). We're literally simply trying to explain to you how the issue of prices are directly tied to both corruption and supply-side shocks. Not "spending". Gas prices boomed when Russia was initially cut-off. Thanks to Saudi Arabia, China, India and even some European countries ( ), Russian oil has found its way back into the market and readjusted the total global supply. Of course we're still not going to hit the lows we had just a year ago cause we're dumbasses still buying from price-gouging war criminals who use airplanes and bonesaws to murder American citizens, but surely even the most annoying of rich ghouls would not continue wasting all of our time by being a contrarian and pushing these silly pro-Manchin troll posts, yes? But we have you on camera making that argument... It's much easier to admit that you had no clue what you were talking about (and still don't) than to try and backtrack now. That SuMed chart represents the growth in Middle East-to-Europe oil flow. Now that Europe has stopped using Russian oil. It's not complicated. Also, the US is not dependent on Middle Eastern oil. 3/4th of our supply comes from Canada and other regional partners like Mexico https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php Despite this, and our massive untapped reserves, the US is still exposed to oil price shocks because our oil extraction isn't nationalized like Saudi Arabia. So we still have to compete on the open market with Europe, Asia, and the entire world for oil supply. Hell, even OPEC countries like Saudi go searching for a better deal (like discounted Russian oil) when they can. The issue at large with oil prices boils down to lack of supply for increased demand. Russia sanctions make it worse (mostly directly for Europeans), but we feel the secondary impacts of that through surging prices of oil on the market.
Kassi Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Antonini said: Hes part of the negativity too, bruh. I don't even do anything but post positive things about Democrats It's not my fault my posts are met with lies.
Vermillion Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 I realize it keeps a lot of other posters away by their own admission and some of the mods have told me personally they can't stand it, but I actually perversely like the er...debates between Kassi, etc. and Communion, etc. I've learned a lot and seen things framed in different ways I didn't anticipate or wouldn't have thought of immediately. As for those that hate how personal it gets, all politics is personal. I'm glad some folks have the energy to still engage in all the minutiae because I take in too much media across the political spectrum to have the energy to unpack it here so I tend to simply post it - can never assume everyone here's a news junkie or formerly worked on the Hill or in campaigns enough to have seen it all.
Communion Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Kassi said: That SuMed chart represents the growth in Middle East-to-Europe oil flow. This is literally what was said to you. 7 hours ago, Communion said: You've not isolated Russia from the world - you've gone and opened its market up to countless others, who are now just using their new source to run up their profit margins elsewhere. You are literally the only one trying to argue Saudis buying Russian oil to supplement oil at home and thus allow themselves to up-charge for their own oil is somehow materially different - and thus I guess morally fine lmao - then if they were simply reselling the oil directly like China and India are. You're making a distinction without difference. See as well: 10 hours ago, Communion said: The entirety of your virtue signaling relying on the fact that you have just arbitrarily decided that it's fine to buy Saudi oil and that such holds no moral implications even as they buy Russian oil and how these things in no way make the US performative as they buy more and more Saudi oil. You: "It's not like we can just threaten the KSA to stop buying Russian oil." America 3 months ago: *publicly threaten Modi's India to stop buying Russian oil* You're literally twisting yourself into incoherent knots all to feel fine with calling people pro-genocide because you want to argue "no, giving the Saudis money to buy more and more Russian oil is different than buying Russian oil from Saudis!! My hands are clean!!! You love genocide!! I love freedom!!! No I don't know who Jamal Khashoggi is???". You yourself finding yourself in these circular debates because, again to remind everyone, you're trying to lie and argue that a bill meant to boost social infrastructure like give old and disabled Americans access to dentistry would somehow be incredibly inflationary despite that it was not the former stimulus packages that have largely contributed to inflation but the shock of the sanctions on Russia that has. You ironically exemplify why you can't be pro-war and pro-poor people because, to try and make sense of Biden's continued failures, you'd rather throw uhhh *checks notes* free school meals under the bus to protect and defend the rationale behind disrupting the entire global oil supply chain without any financial buffers in place. To reiterate - you will always be wrong when defending Joe Manchin blocking the BBB package. Resorting to "you're a tankie!!" and "hmmm not supporting prioritizing weapons over feeding poor kids means you want to MURDER Ukrainians" just shows you lack any kind of moral center. Edited August 2, 2022 by Communion
Vermillion Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 If there were seven on board publically then I'd say it was worth the risk and political capital of lobbying for the other votes privately and then bringing it to the floor. Otherwise, not worth it. Especially for Tammy, who I'd always advise to lay low in her divided state, especially this close to the midterms. Maybe this is the only time for the foreseeable future she thinks it has a chance. I still say she doesn't have the support and it's not worth it.
Vermillion Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 This is a really ******* old story, like years old, and common knowledge too for anyone that's even done cursory research on this fascist. I'm so sick of these writers from these posh publications taking credit for the revelations from smaller outlets that have actually done the hard work in the trenches. Now that Thiel is supporting in the millions Republican Senate candidates people are 'supposed' to care? No, they always were supposed to care.
Kassi Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Communion said: This is literally what was said to you. You are literally the only one trying to argue Saudis buying Russian oil to supplement oil at home and thus allow themselves to up-charge for their own oil is somehow materially different - and thus I guess morally fine lmao - then if they were simply reselling the oil directly like China and India are. You're making a distinction without difference. Saudi Arabia imports: 50,000 barrels per day from Russia Saudi Arabia exports: 8 million barrels per day to everyone else Even if by some miraculous (and expensive) process Saudi's were able to convert fuel oil back into crude, then resell that exact oil (as you stated multiple times), it wouldn't make a dent against their exports (<1%). There are several orders of magnitudes difference between the two. So apart from being wrong, the only point you've made thus far is that Biden doesn't run Saudi Arabia, India, or China. Ok, and? No one (in Europe) is going to stop buying oil from Saudi Arabia after just cutting off Russia, formerly their biggest supplier, because Saudi is looking for discounts on oil to get them through the summer. Europe is more pre-occupied with... idk, their economies not crashing or like... not freezing through the winter? There's not a coherent point here. 2 hours ago, Communion said: You yourself finding yourself in these circular debates because, again to remind everyone, you're trying to lie and argue that a bill meant to boost social infrastructure like give old and disabled Americans access to dentistry would somehow be incredibly inflationary despite that it was not the former stimulus packages that have largely contributed to inflation but the shock of the sanctions on Russia that has. Multiple things can be true. But the basic problem at hand is that demand for goods is high, but supply of goods is low. The end result is skyrocketing prices. That's true with or without factoring in energy costs. For instance, Russia invaded Ukraine at the END of February. But we had already been talking about inflation for as early as... well... when Manchin was debating the merits of taking it seriously in 2021. Here's a news story about inflation from a month before Russia ever invaded Ukraine. Are you seriously going to argue that sanctions of Russia in March caused inflation in January? If so, then there's no use in continuing this exchange when your views are this untethered to reality.
Communion Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kassi said: Here's a news story about inflation from a month befor 4 hours ago, Communion said: It was not the former stimulus packages that have largely contributed to inflation but the shock of the sanctions on Russia that has. It's like arguing with a troglodyte. Again, you're making distinctions without differences. We already established that inflation was on the rise during the pandemic because of how it disrupted the supply chain, not the new funding. One simply has to look at the issue in Chinese ports to understand this. You've essentially gone "hmm well if that explains Feb to now, how does that explain this before???" It explains it in the very same. We're literally still in a pandemic. You're literally trying to suggest sanctions on Russian oil don't impact the price of gas because inflation *not related to energy* was occurring *in completely different sectors* before the price of gas shot up. Look at the retail price of gas was in December 2021, the time of that article. I genuinely wish bad things to happen to you the more you transition for naive liberal to active far-right disruptive troll. It's tiring. Stop wasting our time with the lying and trolling. Claiming people are "genocide supporters" because they know how to read a line graph that shows the direct correlation between the price of gas and disrupting the global supply of oil for a war. Christ. Edited August 2, 2022 by Communion
GhostBox Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, Espresso said: Probably for the better. Drunk attendees with loaded guns. What could go wrong ?
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