Lil Mxnster Posted July 31 Posted July 31 This shitshow reminded me that scene in House Of Cards in which Conway, the Republican candidate, meets the Black Caucus to seek their support... And he ended up insulting them 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 31 Posted July 31 6 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said: I think Kamala could clear 51%+ of the popular vote That's probably not enough to win in the EC.
Sannie Posted July 31 Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said: Who the **** on Trump's team thought letting him go to the National Association of Black Journalists conference was a good idea when anyone who is alive and breathing could've guessed this was what was gonna come out of his mouth It's like how MAGAs ran with the narrative that black people will vote for Trump after he was arrested. They genuinely don't know how to court black people. They think all you need to do is show up and black people will support you because that's how they think it is for Democrats. Just now, Vermillion said: My Mom just called me and LAUNCHED about Trump's NABJ cluster****. From his "my VP doesn't matter anyway" to "what is she", she compared him to bloated late-era Elvis She said she's calling everyone she knows and that she's gonna volunteer for Kamala She kept gasping and screaming "put this clown in his grave" C'mon mama Vermillion! Trump keeps giving people ammo against him. And he's dong so in such a specific way. Doubting a woman's blackness is like peak ridiculousness. 3
Raspberries Posted July 31 Posted July 31 For real though, who on his team thought this was a good idea?
Slamless Posted July 31 Posted July 31 (edited) saying this as a mixed person, Trump just made an enemy out of a vocal and annoying community, the biracials /s good luck to him! Edited July 31 by Slamless 4
Vroom Vroom Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Raspberries said: For real though, who on his team thought this was a good idea? When Biden was still in Trump thought he could convince black voters to vote for him. I believe he agreed to do this interview before Kamala became the nominee 1
Blade Posted July 31 Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, Vermillion said: My Mom just called me and LAUNCHED about Trump's NABJ cluster****. From his "my VP doesn't matter anyway" to "what is she", she compared him to bloated late-era Elvis She said she's calling everyone she knows and that she's gonna volunteer for Kamala She kept gasping and screaming "put this clown in his grave" Well, yes! Today was base igniting and may actually turn some Black voters who are undecided/leaning Trump into absolute No's. At the same time, Kamala should not hold out hope on that and pick a VP t 1
Rotunda Posted July 31 Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: That's probably not enough to win in the EC. Depends on the 3rd party vote share
Sannie Posted July 31 Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: That's probably not enough to win in the EC. Biden won with 51%. Not the same this year, but JS. It's only a matter of time before Trump starts going after her for code switching.
MAKSIM Posted July 31 Posted July 31 12 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: That's probably not enough to win in the EC. That's what both Obama and Biden did. 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Sannie said: Biden won with 51%. Not the same this year, but JS. It's only a matter of time before Trump starts going after her for code switching. 3 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: That's what both Obama and Biden did. Biden won by 51.3, and the .3 was what put him over the edge in key swing states (45k votes)
Vermillion Posted July 31 Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Rotunda said: Ok feel free to start dooming @Vermillion I believe the Philly report and I've already said my piece. I won't expand on things until it's official. Sigh.
Mr. Mendes Posted July 31 Posted July 31 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Sannie said: The point stands. You guys are just blaming the Jews when you can very easily beat them by simply voting. Voting is a civic duty; it's how you ensure you are represented. Of course there's a ton of nuance there, such as voter suppression, but I think my point is clear. Part of growing up is accepting politicians are not going to pander to you when you never in turn vote for them. You guys do not live in reality; you live in a world where every politician must pass a purity test or they won't get your vote... Not realistic. A child-like mentality. Leftists should stop pushing MAGA talking points and maybe people will stop calling them MAGA. I want to preface this by saying that I am not a leftist, and I have my own quibbles with leftists in general, especially in regards to this election, so I am not saying this in defense of myself. But I don't think that is a fair view of leftists as a whole. Social media leftists, sure. They're a very immature and unmovable group of people because, well, a lot of them have very little life experience and have a very confused idea of what the political ideology they say they align with actually means. But actual leftists, to which there are many here on this forum and many, many more out in the real world, are not that way. I would go so far as to say that there will be many leftists who will in fact be voting for Kamala Harris in November because they do actually agree with the point that in the end the primary goal here is to push back against the alarming massive swing to the right the Republicans have had. I would also say when the time comes they're not gonna be sitting here folding their arms telling people to vote for literally anyone but Kamala Harris because they are aware the way our political structure is built, that's gonna result in a Trump win. What they are going to say and advocate for is never let the pressure on her go. Hold her accountable at every turn. But just because many of them will end up voting for Harris, that does not mean that they don't have grounds to demand more from these politicians and speak critically of them when they fail to meet a standard. They will say if you're going to vote for her, make sure that vote comes with a commitment to always push her toward a better ideal than her party seems to want to set for itself. And that isn't wrong. What I do consider wrong is the people who hide behind leftism that believe it makes them somehow on the right side of history to actively encourage screwing this election up. The ones who latch onto leftism as some form of superiority. The ones who believe that just because we ought to criticize a politician also means we must roundly reject anyone who isn't perfect. The ones who vote out of selfishness, not what is good for everyone. But in my experience, that isn't what leftists do or want to do. They're not putting politicians through a purity test because they know as well as anyone that no politician is ever going to be perfect on every or even any issue. What they are doing is trying to advocate for a higher standard. Good instead of good enough. Progressive instead of left of center. An inch instead of a centimeter. Some, any noticeable and impactful advocacy for something beyond the status quo. They do rally for those candidates. There is ground support for them. At the moment however, the way our system works is just not favorable to them so their work often goes unrewarded. But they are gaining ground little by little all the time. As the older portion of the electorate dies off, the electorate as a whole inches further to the left. They're trying to capitalize on that, and part of capitalizing on that has to include being critical of mainstream politicians. You cannot successfully introduce someone to a more progressive third party candidate if you cannot first inform them of why the mainstream politician is perhaps not representing what that voter may truly want. Not all criticism of a Democrat is a MAGA talking point. The Democrats do plenty of things that are worthy of criticism. Even still, I don't believe that most actual leftists believe that the Democratic party is actually the same as the Republican party, they just simply believe that as the Republicans have gone further right, the Democrats have made shifts in that direction as well as some sort of counter balance. That's not an unfair or untrue assessment. The party as a whole is not as far to the left as they were in 2020. But I do genuinely implore you to see a distinction between a real leftist voter and the people on Twitter or other social media who use leftism as a ploy for attention or a ploy for engagement. These people who respond to every Tweet with some insanely off topic comment about politics, or camp out in celebrities' comments demanding they speak about a certain thing or what have you, they're not what actual leftists really look and act like. Real leftists are out doing a lot of good work, and trying their best to do what they believe to be the right thing. And in my experience, most of them aren't going to judge you or talk down to you if you don't vote like they do. Like I said, I'm not a leftist. I don't vote like a leftist votes. And yet I have very many leftist friends who support my right to vote for the candidates that I feel the best about and I support their right to do the same. If memory serves me (and I'm assuming it does given the nature of your two's conversation) @Communion for example is a leftist. I would imagine that they and I disagree on some things, and am quite certain that they and I probably look at different candidates when it's time for an election. And yet, they've been very respectful to me and of my beliefs. If you're finding yourself in some sort of confrontation with an actual leftist (again, not one of the terminally online ones who go out seeking a fight), I can confidently say it's usually because you've taken the pill fed to a lot of people that gives off a very inaccurate representation of who they are, their politics, and their place within the grand political sphere. If they are actively hostile to you over your choices, or try to bully you or strong arm you into a certain belief, that's one thing. But in my experience, real, legitimate leftists don't do that. We have to at some point recognize that leftists are on the same side as your more commonplace liberals and progressives, they just don't always come at it from the exact same angle. We all want the same things, we just sometimes disagree on the route to get there. That's not an abnormal facet of politics, especially when there is such a wide range of things included under the umbrella of "left wing". It's pointless, counter productive even, to point at leftists as some sort of cancer or enemy or weight that holds the left wing down. It's wrong to blame them for elections not going the way of the left. They're not evil, selfish, childish people who live in some fantasyland. They're just not. They're just very, very, very inaccurately and poorly represented both by people online who masquerade under the title not knowing what it actually is in practice, and by those who know what it is and fear it so they have demonized it. They're just people who want better than what we've got, and aren't afraid to say that we all deserve better. Edited July 31 by Mr. Mendes 8
19SLAYty9 Posted July 31 Posted July 31 20 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: That's probably not enough to win in the EC. I think it should be. Especially if Jill pulls 4% and Kennedy pulls 6%
Bloodflowers. Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Rotunda said: It's getting weird... Kamala is an easy politician to go after her political stances but instead they focus on the fact she is biracial and think that will help win over swing voters. Umm.... 3
GraceRandolph Posted July 31 Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said: I think it should be. Especially if Jill pulls 4% and Kennedy pulls 6% Unfortunately I doubt Jill will pull that much. The Green Party's best bet was Cornel West.
Sannie Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said: I want to preface this by saying that I am not a leftist, and I have my own small quibbles with leftists in general so I am not saying this in defense of myself. But I don't think that is a fair view of leftists as a whole. Social media leftists, sure. They're a very immature and unmovable group of people because, well, a lot of them have very little life experience and have a very confused idea of what the political ideology they say they align with actually means. But actual leftists, to which there are many here on this forum and many, many more out in the real world, are not that way. I would go so far as to say that there will be many leftists who will in fact be voting for Kamala Harris in November because they do actually agree with the point that in the end the primary goal here is to push back against the alarming massive swing to the right the Republicans have had. But just because many of them will does not mean that they don't have grounds to demand more from these politicians and speak critically of them when they fail to meet a standard. They're not putting politicians through a purity test because they know as well as anyone that no politician is ever going to be perfect on every or even any issue. What they are doing is trying to advocate for a higher standard. Good instead of good enough. Progressive instead of left of center. An inch instead of a centimeter. Some, any noticeable and impactful advocacy for something beyond the status quo. They do rally for those candidates. There is ground support for them. At the moment however, the way our system works is just not favorable to them so their work often goes unrewarded. But they are gaining ground little by little all the time. As the older portion of the electorate dies off, the electorate as a whole inches further to the left. They're trying to capitalize on that, and part of capitalizing on that has to include being critical of mainstream politicians. You cannot successfully introduce someone to a more progressive third party candidate if you cannot first inform them of why the mainstream politician is perhaps not representing what that voter may truly want. Not all criticism of a Democrat is a MAGA talking point. The Democrats do plenty of things that are worthy of criticism. Even still, I don't believe that most actual leftists believe that the Democratic party is actually the same as the Republican party, they just simply believe that as the Republicans have gone further right, the Democrats have made shifts in that direction as well as some sort of counter balance. That's not an unfair or untrue assessment. The party as a whole is not as far to the left as they were in 2020. But I do genuinely implore you to see a distinction between a real leftist voter and the people on Twitter or other social media who use leftism as a ploy for attention or a ploy for engagement. These people who respond to every Tweet with some insanely off topic comment about politics, or camp out in celebrities' comments demanding they speak about a certain thing or what have you, they're not what actual leftists really look and act like. Real leftists are out doing a lot of good work, and trying their best to do what they believe to be the right thing. And in my experience, most of them aren't going to judge you or talk down to you if you don't vote like they do. Like I said, I'm not a leftist. I don't vote like a leftist votes. And yet I have very many leftist friends who support my right to vote for the candidates that I feel the best about and I support their right to do the same. If memory serves me (and I'm assuming it does given the nature of your two's conversation) @Communion for example is a leftist. I would imagine that they and I disagree on some things, and am quite certain that they and I probably look at different candidates when it's time for an election. And yet, they've been very respectful to me and of my beliefs. If you're finding yourself in some sort of confrontation with an actual leftist (again, not one of the terminally online ones who go out seeking a fight), I can confidently say it's usually because you've taken the pill fed to a lot of people that gives off a very inaccurate representation of who they are, their politics, and their place within the grand political sphere. We have to at some point recognize that leftists are on the same side as your more commonplace liberals and progressives, they just don't always come at it from the exact same angle. We all want the same things, we just sometimes disagree on the route to get there. That's not an abnormal facet of politics, especially when there is such a wide range of things included under the umbrella of "left wing". It's pointless, counter productive even, to point at leftists as some sort of cancer or enemy or weight that holds the left wing down. It's wrong to blame them for elections not going the way of the left. They're not evil, selfish, childish people who live in some fantasyland. They're just not. They're just very, very, very inaccurately and poorly represented both by people online who masquerade under the title not knowing what it actually is in practice, and by those who know what it is and fear it so they have demonized it. They're just people who want better than what we've got, and aren't afraid to say that we all deserve better. I agree with everything you said here. I am talking about those Social media leftists, I should be clearer about that.
MP3 Posted July 31 Posted July 31 With the actual polls giving an advance for Harris in Wisconsin and Michigan, Trumps needs to win absolutely Pennsylvania if he wants to be elected
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