rihannabiggestfan Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 Good thing I have never in my life voted blue no matter who. I only vote blue when the candidate wants to help the American people
GhostBox Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, rihannabiggestfan said: Good thing I have never in my life voted blue no matter who. I only vote blue when the candidate wants to help the American people It’s Kentucky what do you expect ? It’s a miracle their governor who’s a dem even won his race when He did against a very very unpopular gop gov at the time. (His re-election will be a close one.)
Communion Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, GhostBox said: It’s Kentucky what do you expect This person... won the primary. How... do you think they won the primary?
Communion Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 What neoliberals think Kentuckians want: Performative identity politics, sending tax dollars to NATO, etc. What Kentuckians willing to vote Democrat apparently do want:
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 24, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, GhostBox said: It’s Kentucky what do you expect ? It’s a miracle their governor who’s a dem even won his race when He did against a very very unpopular gop gov at the time. (His re-election will be a close one.) As someone who grew up in KY, I'd like to remind the thread of the following: KY is actually a historically blue state, with there being more registered Democrats than registered Republicans. [x] KY has never re-elected a Republican governor. [x] KY has had 9 governors from the modern Republican Party (i.e., not Jeffersonian-Republican governors of yore) while it has had 30+ governors from the Democratic Party. KY's current attorney general, Dan Cameron, is the first Black attorney general elected in the state. Also, he is the first Republican attorney general elected by the state in more than 70 years. KY being a reliably red state is actually a fairly recent phenomenon in the large scheme of electoral history—being solidly blue during the Bill Clinton years. This dogma that Kentucky is a deep red state filled to the brim with racist inbreds who can't read is why Democrats have lost favor with KY voters. When out-of-state liberals just cling onto this assumption, it only worsens electoral conditions in the state. For instance, let's look to a KY Senate race as recent as... 2020 with Amy McGrath. I remember several people in this thread heralding her as a solid choice. Progressives were saying she sucked because of policy and she had no identity. I was among them because, as a Kentuckian, I actually had the opportunity to vote for her in 2018 in the general election during her campaign for the House. She was awful, lacking in substance, and weak. She lost. She lost in one of the bluest districts in the state. That being established, Kentucky Democrats did NOT want her to run in 2020 in the Senate race because it was shown she couldn't win in relatively safe blue district in 2018, so there was no way she'd be able to win across the state. Pretty sound thinking, huh? Well, Chuck Schumer and out-of-state liberals thought otherwise. They thought backing and donating MILLIONS to a Democrat who Intentionally left out mention of abortion rights on her website altogether Intentionally left out mention of LGBTQ+ rights on her website altogether Ran pro-Trump ads in the Ohio/Northern Kentucky media during the 2020 election (i.e., southern Ohio and northern Kentucky kind of are inseparable, so their media space is one in the same—good example of this being the Cincinnati airport is actually in northern Kentucky) Promised voters she would be a better ally to Trump than Mitch McConnell Told voters she would have voted in favor of Kavanaugh's Supreme Court nomination even though she said the exact opposite when he was up for his nomination in her 2018 House race. I could go on. But Amy McGrath was an abject failure and a horrible candidate running under the Democratic Party. However, she's the perfect amalgamation for people who genuinely hold onto this horrible assumption about the political characterization of KY voters. This is why out-of-state liberals donated MILLIONS to Amy McGrath, while her progressive challenger raised more money from actual KY residents than McGrath despite her massive media presence. It's also worth noting that the Kentucky Democratic establishment (e.g., major KY newspapers [x], Secretary Alison Lundergan-Grimes who is KY Democratic royalty who ran against McConnell in 2014 with Hillary Clinton alongside her [x], and KY State House Democratic Leaders [x]), which goes to highlight the discrepancy between national political dogma and local political instinct even within the Democratic Party at those respective levels. tldr: Kentucky, and other red states, are winnable. But this thinking of, "well it's <insert red state here> so we have to just be ultra-conservative and it'll work" is not a winning strategy. If you're going to bother running in red states, please have the decency to humanize the voters of that state.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 Exactly, @Bloo : "well it's Kentucky so we have to just be ultra-conservative and nominate a literal Trump Democrat like McGrath" is not a winning strategy
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 (paraphrasing) "Hillary lost the presidential election in Kentucky by the largest margin of any Democrat in history," so it's clear Kentucky isn't here for conservadems. At least economic populism (which Hillary doesn't have) actually appeals to people, especially in the Midwest/Appalachia
GhostBox Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 Kentucky Nor WV (I live in southern WV close to the KY border) will ever be up for grabs for democrats. Minus maybe a few small seats. Just a fact. ?
Communion Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Kentucky Nor WV (I live in southern WV close to the KY border) will ever be up for grabs for democrats. Minus maybe a few small seats. Just a fact. ? Again, none of this changes the fact that this person won his district's democratic primary and, by virtue of VBNMW, should get party support. By your logic, funding should be pulled from all centrists running in purple districts, yes?
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 25, 2022 51 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Kentucky Nor WV (I live in southern WV close to the KY border) will ever be up for grabs for democrats. Minus maybe a few small seats. Just a fact. ? Loving the simple choice to just ignore the simple facts I presented earlier because they run counter to your narrative.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Communion said: Again, none of this changes the fact that this person won his district's democratic primary and, by virtue of VBNMW, should get party support. By your logic, funding should be pulled from all centrists running in purple districts, yes? The fact that neolibs keep doing this to us (queen India Walton comes to mind too!), yet we never do it back - ugh, we're too nice And neolibs only pretend to be VBNMW when it's to their benefit, just like how they are with identity politics (we could have gotten the first Jewish president, but instead we got ... the first senile president, I guess ) Edited July 25, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
ClashAndBurn Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, rihannabiggestfan said: the first senile president, I guess ) Ermmm no. Reagan was documented as having full-blown Alzheimer’s during his second term. He was also younger than Biden at the time too. Woodrow Wilson was also rendered invalid from a stroke and his wife Edith took stewardship of the country as the first Acting female President. Biden’s sundowning is simultaneously comical and depressing to watch in real time, but as much as we here joke he has dementia, he’s not there just yet. He likely will be if he makes it to a second term, but DeSantis might end up “sparing” us from an actually senile presidency followed by the Cloud Cuckoolander Kamala if Jill actually let her take over and not Weekend-At-Bernie’s him to keep her out. Which… I wouldn’t blame her. Jill herself would be a far better president than Kamala, but that bar is literally on the floor.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 Oh wow the bar is in hell And I guess that partly proves my point that Biden is the first NOTHING, yet the identity politics stans will conveniently ignore that
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) More like serve West Virginian special interests, lobbyists, and corporations Edited July 25, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
slik Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 Alright, which one of you is the intern at CNN who wrote this headline ? @Chris is it you
Vermillion Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 Apparently she broke some new news with the crossed out lines on Trump's speech from the clip below.
slik Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 Sigh I'm sure the pick me gays will still defend the right I
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