news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[GhostBox]

 

[Blade]

"We have a lot to talk about"

 

Oh she looks and sounds kinda pissed

[Rotunda]

15 minutes ago, Communion said:

That's not how it's being taken by progressives, especially when somehow arguing what is part of the constitution is also somehow un-American and unpatriotic. The idea that you can burn the American flag as a protest is central to the constitutional ideals of America. 

 

People can hope her words will be interpreted as the former but I'd be willing to make a bet on what the narrative would be in 12 hours when searching "flag burning" on TikTok. 

Not gonna lie, I feel like if your interpretation of her statement is that flag burning should be banned, you're intentionally making a logical leap that isn't there.

 

If leftists want to use this statement as an indication that Kamala's gesturing towards them doesn't go as far as it needs to, and that she has a level of disdain for their politics, that makes sense. 
 

The idea that this is a disgrace to the first amendment doesn't make sense to me. 

Edited July 25 by Rotunda

[Bloodflowers.]

7 hours ago, Vermillion said:

 

 

 

If she makes a trip as president there, it would be such an event

 

[Lil Mxnster]

The statement is disgusting and the photo with that f***ing genocide is demoralizing but let's pretend this is just realpolitik and let's move forward with the progressive campaign, I guess?  We've been Copmala'ed  

[Tovitov]

1 minute ago, Lil Mxnster said:

The statement is disgusting and the photo with that f***ing genocide is demoralizing but let's pretend this is just realpolitik and let's move forward with the progressive campaign, I guess?  We've been Copmala'ed  

She's still meeting with him fwi. I'd wait and see before saying its demoralizing. 

[Komet]

 

[Blade]

Just now, Tovitov said:

She's still meeting with him fwi. I'd wait and see before saying its demoralizing. 

I wanna hear what she tells him. 

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

Not gonna lie, I feel like if your interpretation of her statement is that flag burning should be banned, you're intentionally making a logical leap that isn't there.

 

If leftists want to use this statement as an indication that Kamala's gesturing towards them doesn't go as far as it needs to, and that she has a level of disdain for their politics, that makes sense. 
 

The idea that this is a disgrace to the first amendment doesn't make sense to me. 

I mean, I would probably just say the same then that your view that it isn't likely just comes from being a more streamline liberal who may just not meaningfully hold specific foreign policy views at odds with America's state department and thus you'te unaware of how protests being deemed as unpatriotic is often a means by the state to justify then silencing said dissent. 

 

Leftists were the firs to champion Kamala. Leftists were actively supporting her when Biden and his admin were threatening those who called on him to step down. It really shouldn't be confusing as to why the reaction from leftists is going to be extremely negative if it comes a time where Kamala is disparaging the left and pivoting back to the right wing place Biden was campaigning from.

 

Maybe some people think that's an inevitable thing and that she should just do it and ditch leftists now. I just don't think that has to be the political reality in 2024. 

[Sannie]

6 minutes ago, Lil Mxnster said:

The statement is disgusting and the photo with that f***ing genocide is demoralizing but let's pretend this is just realpolitik and let's move forward with the progressive campaign, I guess?  We've been Copmala'ed  

 You guys are something else. That statement is just the same old, same old bullshit that any politician would put out because they have to. There's no way you can argue in good faith that a presidential candidate could come out saying anything other than "flag-burning is bad". 
 

I could care less about burning a flag, burn all the flags. But there is something very funny about burning the American flag in the name of a terrorist organization that kills Palestinians while claiming you care about Palestinians. Never change, lefties. 

[Sannie]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

I mean, I would probably just say the same then that your view that it isn't likely just comes from being a more streamline liberal who may just not meaningfully hold specific foreign policy views at odds with America's state department and thus you'te unaware of how protests being deemed as unpatriotic is often a means by the state to justify then silencing said dissent. 

 

Leftists were the firs to champion Kamala. Leftists were actively supporting her when Biden and his admin were threatening those who called on him to step down. It really shouldn't be confusing as to why the reaction from leftists is going to be extremely negative if it comes a time where Kamala is disparaging the left and pivoting back to the right wing place Biden was campaigning from.

 

Maybe some people think that's an inevitable thing and that she should just do it and ditch leftists now. I just don't think that has to be the political reality in 2024. 

You're right, she shouldn't ditch the leftists and should lean into them and their support, but if you're going to get mad over a basic statement, such as "flag-burning is bad", then there's no way anything she can do will please you guys. Either you understand that there are some concessions she must make or she's not the candidate for you. You're not the only voter block that matters.

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, Sannie said:

less about burning a flag, burn all the flags. But there is something very funny about burning the American flag in the name of a terrorist organization

I think they were burning it for Mohammed, who despite being non-verbal due to his down syndrome was petting and crying for the IDF attack dog that was attacking him to please stop before dying. 

 

 

Edited July 25 by Communion

[nadiamendell]

 

[Rotunda]

13 minutes ago, Communion said:

I mean, I would probably just say the same then that your view that it isn't likely just comes from being a more streamline liberal who may just not meaningfully hold specific foreign policy views at odds with America's state department and thus you'te unaware of how protests being deemed as unpatriotic is often a means by the state to justify then silencing said dissent. 

 

Leftists were the firs to champion Kamala. Leftists were actively supporting her when Biden and his admin were threatening those who called on him to step down. It really shouldn't be confusing as to why the reaction from leftists is going to be extremely negative if it comes a time where Kamala is disparaging the left and pivoting back to the right wing place Biden was campaigning from.

 

Maybe some people think that's an inevitable thing and that she should just do it and ditch leftists now. I just don't think that has to be the political reality in 2024. 

Let's not make assumptions on what I do or don't know.

 

Yes, Kamala's statement can be read as an indication that she may hold a certain type of politics that delegitimizes forms of criticism as being inherently unpatriotic. That, to me, is  distinct from saying her very milquetoast statement is indication she thinks flag burning should be illegal…

[GhostBox]

5 minutes ago, nadiamendell said:

 

How long before we get 

 

"OMG WHY IS SHE EVEN MEETING WITH HIMMMMM" takes 😂

 

 

[CaptainMusic]

Her statement could've been worded better but it was ok.

 

After Nancy's tweet about Netanyahu I'm very interested how Kamala's meeting with him goes. 

[N.M.K.]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C90e0nYvY49/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

If people cannot condemn openly celebrating Hamas or even people openly calling for the "final solution" of Jews (the mission of the Nazis to kill every Jewish person on the planet, after they successfully murdered 2 /3  of Jews in Europe) then there is a serious problem

Edited July 25 by N.M.K.

[Lil Mxnster]

3 minutes ago, Sannie said:

 You guys are something else. That statement is just the same old, same old bullshit that any politician would put out because they have to. There's no way you can argue in good faith that a presidential candidate could come out saying anything other than "flag-burning is bad". 
 

I could care less about burning a flag, burn all the flags. But there is something very funny about burning the American flag in the name of a terrorist organization that kills Palestinians while claiming you care about Palestinians. Never change, lefties. 

😭 ???

 

I don't give a s*** about a burning flag, sis  What bothers me is that Kamala has never been so outspoken about the genocide in Gaza, yet she condemned immediately a protest that was simply and purely about defending human rights, stigmatizing thousands who protested peacefully. In any case, I don't judge her entirely for it because, as I said, she's in the middle of a campaign and she's still the VP; hence, I'll judge her policies once she becomes POTUS.

 

We're all in the same boat 

 

[GhostBox]

 

[Blade]

22 minutes ago, Communion said:

Leftists were the firs to champion Kamala. Leftists were actively supporting her when Biden and his admin were threatening those who called on him to step down. It really shouldn't be confusing as to why the reaction from leftists is going to be extremely negative if it comes a time where Kamala is disparaging the left and pivoting back to the right wing place Biden was campaigning from.

 

Maybe some people think that's an inevitable thing and that she should just do it and ditch leftists now. I just don't think that has to be the political reality in 2024. 

Yes, leftists are partly to thank for initial enthusiasm behind Kamala. She should not abandon them by steering as far right as Hillary did in 2016 and to a lesser extent (but still significant level) that Biden did in 2020.

 

But I guess where we're coming from is : The statement doesn't cater to the right nor does it abandon leftists. If leftists were and are willing to support Kamala even despite being vehemently ACAB which was the main reason she was despised by leftists in 2020 (for good reason) then I would like to give us the benefit of the doubt that the statement isn't the reason to jump ship.

[Communion]

28 minutes ago, Sannie said:

You're right, she shouldn't ditch the leftists and should lean into them and their support, but if you're going to get mad over a basic statement

Or - as history has proven - politicians pivot and pivot and pivot, until they've eventually found themselves completely on the right, with each pivot being a test to see how far they can move to the right without any meaningful blowback.

 

You may not like leftist outrage or criticism because you misguidedly view it as inherently a form of sabotage to her chances of winning.

 

Leftists, in comparison, view it as the only possible way to kick up enough of a fuss to then box in politicians and block any possible further movement to the right.

 

Biden started his presidency with his sycophants promoting him as "ending the drone war" and "the most progressive president of our time" to then overseeing a genocide that has made him directly responsible for the death of what some medical journals estimate will be as many as 200,000 Palestinians thus far. Largely done in part by liberal voices arguing that criticism should be withheld until the very last necessary moment to ensure said criticism doesn't impact American electoral projects.

 

Kamala should know clear cut from the start - you can either have leftists with you or against you. Becoming comfortable after stories to Politico about Palestinians waving heavy on your heart is not then validation to pivot to the right. The reality that condemning protestors more harshly than many other Dems would will hurt her with leftists should then be what's on her mind when going one on one with Bibi and directly impacts her decisions on how to approach foreign policy.

Edited July 25 by Communion

[Tovitov]

Harris is going to deliver remarks after her meeting. I wonder what shes gonna say 

[GhostBox]

Kamala's speech so far is great 👏🏼

[GhostBox]

Just now, Tovitov said:

Harris is going to deliver remarks after her meeting. I wonder what shes gonna say 

She's doing it now 

[Tovitov]

Just now, GhostBox said:

She's doing it now 

 

Im not by a TV, whats she saying?