Kassi Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 50 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said: Portman from Ohio is co-sponsoring, he has a gay son. The rest I'm not sure honestly. Does anyone think there's a chance others will flip? Romney is a Mormon still. Toomey maybe because he's not MAGA'd and is retiring so he has nothing to lose. At most they have 6 solid votes. Then you get into “hard to get” votes territory. Maybe throw in Lindsey Graham also cause he’s a f***** But like Madison Cawthorne he could be a bitter queen who doesn’t want to see others living out the life he didn't have to courage to.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 Why would anyone defend Democrats when they go out of their way to appease fascists and don't care about defending you?!
Beyonnaise Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 The way pick-me gays really thought conservatives and Rogan-esque edgelords like them now because they stopped making being against gay marriage a priority after Obergefell They still hate us just as much as before
Kassi Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 “Why isn't Biden railing on Manchin, Senator from R+50 state! “
ClashAndBurn Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kassi said: “Why isn't Biden railing on Manchin, Senator from R+50 state! “ Okay, then that settles it. Manchin is functionally the president due to Biden being the most useless, worthless president of all time. Glad we’ve established what happens when you push an institutionalist who is so toothless he can barely keep his dentures in his mouth.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 What Libs don’t want to admit is that Manchin is merely controlled opposition. that he’s not doing anything or blocking anything that Biden (as a proud conservative Democrat who openly hates young people and the left) wouldn’t want him to. They're leaving us a broken, overheated world intentionally out of spite. They know they won’t have to deal with the consequences of their actions. That’s why their motto is “drill, baby, drill.”
i spit on haters Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 Dr. Oz reiterating in every interview and ad how Fetterman wears basketball shorts and hoodies and that he's a 'crazy, radical leftist'. I still don't know why Oz decided to run other than the power aspect of being a governor. And how are voters not tired of the same script from politicians who aren't offering any real solutions. Then they wonder why they often find themselves in the situations they're in.
Communion Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kassi said: “Why isn't Biden railing on Manchin, Senator from R+50 state! “ Of course they approve of him. Leadership says it is his right to block legislation and that doing so is him just thinking of his voters. Why would you expect negative approvals when the very people who he is screwing over decide to not push back on his propaganda? The only people who literally are saying anything are progressives. Imagine the impact.of Joe Biden publicly called him out for blocking expanded dental and vision benefits that would change the lives of countless in his state. I mean, progressive media has already done the work in reporting: But of course Joe Biden would never do that bexause he doesn't agree with everyone having healthcare and thus isn't bothered by Manchin blocking his alleged agenda item. Rich centrists always with the bad political takes. Edited July 20, 2022 by Communion
Kassi Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said: Okay, then that settles it. Manchin is functionally the president due to Biden being the most useless, worthless president of all time. Glad we’ve established what happens when you push an institutionalist who is so toothless he can barely keep his dentures in his mouth. As “functionally” the President, does Manchin have the ability to direct the executive branch to enforce laws? Or is it that he’s “actually” a Senator with veto power over Congressional legislation in a 50/50 split Senate? Say it with me: the President does not write laws. I swear, basic civics be kicking ya’lls ass. But I’m hopeful you’ll get it one day.
Communion Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kassi said: As “functionally” the President, does Manchin have the ability to direct the executive branch to enforce laws? Does Biden? If so, prove it and cancel these student loans already. It's gonna be a kii how hyped you are over what you perceive to be Dems' response in the last few days despite that impact electorally will still be wiped out to nothing if Biden decides to leave 30m people in debt by not forgiving $50k in student debt. Edited July 20, 2022 by Communion
Kassi Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, Communion said: Of course they approve of him. Leadership says it is his right to block legislation and that doing so is him just thinking of his voters. Why would you expect negative approvals when the very people who he is screwing over decide to not push back on his propaganda? Rich centrists always with the bad political takes. It is his right to block legislation. And we know this because he’s literally exercising that right, like every other Senator does (see: McCain and ACA repeal). Biden “pushing back” on Manchin’s propaganda, which he’s done multiple times, only results in bigger support from Republicans and Independents in WV, even as it tanks his approval with Democrats. What’s not clicking?
Kassi Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Communion said: Does Biden? If so, prove it and cancel these student loans already. It's gonna be a kii how hyped you are over what you perceive to be Dems' response in the last few days despite that impact electorally will still be wiped out to nothing if Biden decides to leave 30m people in debt by not forgiving $50k in student debt. Ron Klain personally told me Biden won’t cancel student debt until ATRL user Communion starts praising him. Looks like we’re in a catch-22.
Communion Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 U 6 minutes ago, Kassi said: It is his right to block legislation. Please be a normal human for one second. You are not a hired DNC staffer. You are not meant to be a paid propagandist in here. This trolling is tiring. Biden has also the right to criticize Manchin for blocking policy. Biden has never done this. Leadership has largely never done this. Saying that Dems are united and "just hashing out neogitations" is not criticism. It is a defense. Biden and Pelosi and others have defended Manchin. They have never criticized him. You can't even link me to a clip where Biden calls Manchin corrupt and accuses him of blocking the legislation.
GhostBox Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 I live in WV. Manchins doing what the majority of his state wants. They hate Biden and the Dems more than anything else. they don’t care he doenst support things that would help them. it’s just the way it is. it’s why I’ve said all along Manchin will never work with Biden if he wants to run for re-election
GhostBox Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, Communion said: U Please be a normal human for one second. You are not a hired DNC staffer. You are not meant to be a paid propagandist in here. This trolling is tiring. Biden has also the right to criticize Manchin for blocking policy. Biden has never done this. Leadership has largely never done this. Saying that Dems are united and "just hashing out neogitations" is not criticism. It is a defense. Biden and Pelosi and others have defended Manchin. They have never criticized him. You can't even link me to a clip where Biden calls Manchin corrupt and accuses him of blocking the legislation. Why would he call him corrupt while trying to work with him ? ? that makes zero sense.
GhostBox Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Kassi said: It is his right to block legislation. And we know this because he’s literally exercising that right, like every other Senator does (see: McCain and ACA repeal). Biden “pushing back” on Manchin’s propaganda, which he’s done multiple times, only results in bigger support from Republicans and Independents in WV, even as it tanks his approval with Democrats. What’s not clicking? Exactly. They think Joe calling manchin a corrupt poopy head is gonna change something ? Edited July 20, 2022 by GhostBox
GhostBox Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 44 minutes ago, Communion said: Of course they approve of him. Leadership says it is his right to block legislation and that doing so is him just thinking of his voters. Why would you expect negative approvals when the very people who he is screwing over decide to not push back on his propaganda? The only people who literally are saying anything are progressives. Imagine the impact.of Joe Biden publicly called him out for blocking expanded dental and vision benefits that would change the lives of countless in his state. I mean, progressive media has already done the work in reporting: But of course Joe Biden would never do that bexause he doesn't agree with everyone having healthcare and thus isn't bothered by Manchin blocking his alleged agenda item. Rich centrists always with the bad political takes. The impact would be Manchin getting even more popular than he is now in WV thus bolstering him even more to continue doing what he already is ?
Kassi Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Communion said: Please be a normal human for one second. You are not a hired DNC staffer. You are not meant to be a paid propagandist in here. This trolling is tiring. Biden has also the right to criticize Manchin for blocking policy. Biden has never done this. Leadership has largely never done this. Saying that Dems are united and "just hashing out neogitations" is not criticism. It is a defense. Biden and Pelosi and others have defended Manchin. They have never criticized him. You can't even link me to a clip where Biden calls Manchin corrupt and accuses him of blocking the legislation. Because it does not matter. How much more clear can it get that head on clashes with Democrats feeds his base of support? Why are you asking these questions when I literally highlighted this simple fact in my original comment? “Why isn't Biden railing on Manchin, Senator from R+50 state!” What’s not clicking??
Communion Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, GhostBox said: The impact would be Manchin getting even more popular than he is now in WV I'm sorry but you're not a real person. This isn't that hard to understand. When Biden defends Manchin and attacks progressives who criticize Manchin, his ratings amongst independents go up because they trust Biden when he defends him. Why is Biden defending him?
Communion Posted July 20, 2022 Posted July 20, 2022 34 minutes ago, Kassi said: head on clashes with Democrats feeds his base of support Except they don't. Republicans are not his base of support because he will never win a Republican primary. The only relevant metrics are his approvals amongst Democrats, who hate him, and independents, who can only like him so long as Biden defends him and says his clashes with progressives (aka the only people defending Biden's agenda) are okay and that Manchin is right to dissent. Why is Biden doing that? Why is Biden defending Manchin? This unserious worldview is tiring. Stop it. "Well it would make no difference is Biden stopped defending him and attacked him". What? Independents are taking Manchin's side explicitly because Biden and others are giving him such cover when defending him as a pragmatic Democratic who is just being sensible. It's not Dems vs Manchin because Biden won't even say such. Because Biden defends Manchin for dismantling Biden's own agenda, it becomes in the media Progressives vs Manchin. Why is Bernie Sanders able to say "Manchin is intentionally sabotaging Biden's agenda" but Biden won't? "It's 4d chess! Politics is an art of war! Goo gaga big boy brain! Polling polling polling!" My God
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