GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Mike91 said: No one's challenging Kamala because there's little over three months until the election and the last thing we need is division. The party does NOT want to see Trump back in office and have lined up behind the second person in command. It's not complicated. Debates and discussion =/= division. You'd think at least a couple Dems would throw their hat in the ring.
Mike91 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Debates and discussion =/= division. You'd think at least a couple Dems would throw their hat in the ring. By the time the convention comes around, we'll be about two months until the election. Even if someone else came out of it as the nominee, they'd have no time to set up a campaign. Kamala at least has an infrastructure she can use. Now's not the time to not know who our nominee will be. Edited July 24 by Mike91
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 8 minutes ago, bad guy said: I'm weary about all this A-list/celebrity endorsements of Kamala being touted by media as some kind of good thing for her campaign when it's giving Hillary 2.0. Nobody cares about who Hollywood is saying to vote for so I hope her campaign doesn't lean in too much on celebrity and focuses more on policy. Optics matter. The prosecutor vs. convicted felon angle is a cute gotcha for one or two rallies but it should not be her main focus for her campaign. This whole campaign is giving strong Hillary 2.0 vibes. But at least Kamala is not as HATED as Hillary was. If Kamala truly wants to win, she needs to take a hard look at the way Hillary conducted herself, and do the exact opposite.
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 At least Brat memes and the coconut tree remixes are better than Pokémon go to the polls.
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: At least Brat memes and the coconut tree remixes are better than Pokémon go to the polls. Let's hope she doesn't bring up how much she loved smoking pot while listening to Tupac...
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Marianne is calling for an OPEN CONVENTION: I think she deserves a chance to make her case. People should be able to vote. There's enough time from now to the convention to do it. 2
ADMKHN Posted July 24 Posted July 24 4 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Marianne is calling for an OPEN CONVENTION: I think she deserves a chance to make her case. People should be able to vote. There's enough time from now to the convention to do it. It's like she wants the democrats to lose. Sit down, Marianne. 1
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, shyboi said: so yall think Kamala have a real chance against Trump? The dems, once again, are serving him the presidency on a silver platter I think Kamala has a chance if she doesn't make the same mistake as Hillary. This site is a little bit of an echo chamber and people are so caught up in the euphoria of this moment they aren't being objective about how hard it will be for her to win this election. They're also forgetting Trump always outperformed presidential polls. By 5.5% in 2020 no less. So if she's tied or +1/-1 is NOT a good thing.
Mike91 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 28 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Someone else said it earlier, but this should be Trump's honeymoon phase. The fact that the assassination and attempt and RNC did nothing for him.
nadiamendell Posted July 24 Posted July 24 33 minutes ago, Mike91 said: No one's challenging Kamala because there's little over three months until the election and the last thing we need is division. The party does NOT want to see Trump back in office and have lined up behind the second person in command. It's not complicated. Absolutely this. There's no time to introduce the public to a completely new, relatively unknown candidate. The party needs to show strength and unity right now. 2
PrettyHurts Posted July 24 Posted July 24 7 minutes ago, shyboi said: so yall think Kamala have a real chance against Trump? The dems, once again, are serving him the presidency on a silver platter having biden continue to run as the entire world laughs at him.....not an option sending the party into chaos by trying to find a new nominee within only a few weeks...also not an option pushing kamala through may not feel very democratic, but what other option did the dems have if they wanted a shot? theyre doing whats best for their party 4 1
Nova_23 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 I don't think anyone truly realizes just how much of a shift there's been. This is anecdotal but between social media and what happened at work today, I am optimistic. So politics got brought up and my boss who considers himself independent stated he'd vote for Kamala in order to keep Trump out of office but couldn't do the same if it were Biden on the ticket. Two other people in the room stated they'd be voting for her but weren't planning on voting before. I hope people understand that there's a difference between voting for Kamala despite all her flaws and voting for genocide Joe because fwiw the reason they weren't voting for Biden were his policies on Israel-Gaza with the debate being the nail in his coffin. As long as Kamala doesn't pick self proclaimed Zionist Shapiro as her VP, she has a great chance to win. 7
Sannie Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 42 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: The fact that no one is challenging Kamala makes me think Dems know this election is essentially over and they don't want to blow their load on a campaign until 2028. Or, unlike some people, they understand the importance of this election and how it's literally life-or-death for millions and instead of trying to be divisive for their own ego sake, they are thinking about others and their well being. Not being selfish is a foreign concept to some. 47 minutes ago, bad guy said: I'm weary about all this A-list/celebrity endorsements of Kamala being touted by media as some kind of good thing for her campaign when it's giving Hillary 2.0. Nobody cares about who Hollywood is saying to vote for so I hope her campaign doesn't lean in too much on celebrity and focuses more on policy. Optics matter. The prosecutor vs. convicted felon angle is a cute gotcha for one or two rallies but it should not be her main focus for her campaign. It's not 2016 and this isn't HRC. Also, there was no one as influential or as powerful celebrity-wise in 2016 as Taylor is in 2024. Her endorsement will matter. And really, it's not even the endorsement that is the big deal here, it's the spreading of info to her white, suburban fanbase that is needed to win. She needs to let them know how important this election is for THEIR safety and their rights as women. Edited July 24 by Sannie 3
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, PrettyHurts said: sending the party into chaos by trying to find a new nominee within only a few weeks...also not an option Why isn't this an option? Seriously asking. It would be all over by mid August and I think there are some candidates (including some of the possible VP picks) that if they were leading the ticket would defeat Trump EASILY, like Beshear for example. If they TRULY want to defeat Trump, why are they pushing so hard for Kamala rather than letting people decide over a few different choices?
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 10 minutes ago, NausAllien said: They're also forgetting Trump always outperformed presidential polls. By 5.5% in 2020 no less. So if she's tied or +1/-1 is NOT a good thing. - Dems also overperformed a recent election year - You've been told at least 3 times that this overfixation on immediate poll results is useless at this stage but you're committed to posting in bad faith 3 1
shyboi Posted July 24 Posted July 24 39 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Dems ran Kamala because if she loses it'll be about how America wasn't ready for a black female POTUS whereas if Biden lost it would bring up questions of why they allowed him to run, whether or not his record was as impressive as they said it was, and whether or not they can win national elections period.
Butters Posted July 24 Posted July 24 54 minutes ago, Mike91 said: Taylor giving a speech at the DNC would be iconic. She's at a point in her career where her fans aren't leaving and even if some do, she doesn't need them. Taylor feels like one of the only A list celebs whose public support I'd imagine could actually bolster Kamala's campaign in any meaningful way
Mike91 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 9 minutes ago, shyboi said: so yall think Kamala have a real chance against Trump? The dems, once again, are serving him the presidency on a silver platter Yes. It's not 2016 anymore and, as I explained before, Millenials and Gen Z are the largest voting blocs now. No one is saying it will be easy, but she absolutely has a chance. I personally think she will win the election. She's not Hillary. People weren't excited about Hillary at all, only at the prospect of having the first woman president. That wasn't enough to carry her through and/or heal the divisions in the party after her primary with Bernie. 1
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: Why isn't this an option? Seriously asking. It would be all over by mid August and I think there are some candidates (including some of the possible VP picks) that if they were leading the ticket would defeat Trump EASILY, like Beshear for example. If they TRULY want to defeat Trump, why are they pushing so hard for Kamala rather than letting people decide over a few different choices? 1. Not people, delegates and donors 2. Nobody outside of election twitter and people from Beshear's home state know who he is. He isn't DeSantis. And average Americans aren't going to break their necks to turn out for someone they have no real prior exposure to. 3. Nominating someone who was not picked as part of a prior national process (i.e., a primary or the last general election) is actually less Democratic than nominating Kamala. 1
PrettyHurts Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: Why isn't this an option? Seriously asking. It would be all over by mid August and I think there are some candidates (including some of the possible VP picks) that if they were leading the ticket would defeat Trump EASILY, like Beshear for example. If they TRULY want to defeat Trump, why are they pushing so hard for Kamala rather than letting people decide over a few different choices? because no one would agree on who the nominee should be. it would be a scramble for power and make the democrats appear weak and divided in comparison to the republicans who are very united under trump. the idea that beshear, who many people literally do not know, is more likely to beat trump than kamala, the current vice president who has been on the national stage for a decade+ is a little silly 2
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 5 minutes ago, Sannie said: Or, unlike some people, they understand the importance of this election and how it's literally life-or-death for millions and instead of trying to be divisive for their own ego sake, they are thinking about others and their well being. Not being selfish is a foreign concept to some. Again, the outcome of an open process is most likely going to select Kamala anyway for institutional and logistical reasons, but it would battle test her and force her to solidify her positions on issues and make her a better candidate against Trump.
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, PrettyHurts said: because no one would agree on who the nominee should be. it would be a scramble for power and make the democrats appear weak and divided in comparison to the republicans who are very united under trump. the idea that beshear, who many people literally do not know, is more likely to beat trump than kamala, the current vice president who has been on the national stage for a decade+ is a little silly Political parties are SUPPOSED to be "divided" the GOP is a ******* cult and not something we should emulate. 3
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