ClashAndBurn Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Kassi said: (cause we know young voters wouldn’t be turning out). This absolute LIE when it was young voters turning out in 2020 that led to Biden barely winning the Electoral College.
Kassi Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 3 hours ago, GhostBox said: Bernie in 24 isn’t gonna happen no matter how many memes you post. 2 hours ago, spree said: I know right? Like this is ridiculous at this point. The posts need to stop and the reality needs to be dealt with. What I’ve come to understand is that Bernie supporters view him like the gays on this forum view their popstar faves. They have no baseline beliefs except that Bernie is good and everything he does and wants is good, and everyone that opposes him is literally evil. That’s how you end up with slogans like #BernieOrBust It’s also why they can’t see through his political posturing and facade to get to the substance of the fact that he’s never ACTUALLY done anything for anyone. The only cult of personality that rivals (and probably surpasses) his is Trump’s. And that’s largely because Trump at least won some elections.
Thuggin Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, Kassi said: “Obama cleared the field!!!” as cope will never NOT be the funniest self-own. Imagine complaining that your candidate lost because there were FEWER options running him. Mama, pls! Like, the math ain’t mathing. If Bernie couldn’t win the most votes in a binary primary on his own, how the hell did his supporters think he even had a chance in the general election against a sitting incumbent? It’s so evident to see that two of Biden’s coalitional strengths, white suburbia and black voters, would have checked out. All for the fleeting chance that rural and non-college whites would decide to ditch Trump for Bernie (cause we know young voters wouldn’t be turning out). Primary turnout is always low compared to general elections, and Democratic primary voters are not representative of general election voters. Also, young voters turned out in record numbers in the general for Biden, so I don't know why you assume they wouldn't turn out even more for Bernie. 22 minutes ago, Kassi said: What I’ve come to understand is that Bernie supporters view him like the gays on this forum view their popstar faves. They have no baseline beliefs except that Bernie is good and everything he does and wants is good, and everyone that opposes him is literally evil. That’s how you end up with slogans like #BernieOrBust It’s also why they can’t see through his political posturing and facade to get to the substance of the fact that he’s never ACTUALLY done anything for anyone. The only cult of personality that rivals (and probably surpasses) his is Trump’s. And that’s largely because Trump at least won some elections. If you truly believe this, then you fundamentally have zero clue what goes on on the left. There is so much disagreement and infighting among Bernie supporters and on the left in general. Bernie supporters have given him **** all the time whenever he's been too soft on Israel, too positive about the Biden administration, too validating of Russiagate, not supportive of Force the Vote, supportive of the Democratic Party, just to name a few examples. Whereas I have never see ANY Hillary/Biden/Obama supporters hold them accountable for literally anything. Also, a few of Bernie's accomplishments: Provided 9 million more Americans with primary healthcare, 2 million more with dental care, and 860,000 more with mental health services through a $12.5 billion expansion in community health centers Raised the wages of 350,000 Amazon workers to $15 an hour Increased the wages of over 60,000 Disney workers to at least $15 an hour Restored $320 million in pension benefits to 130,000 IBM workers Passed veterans legislation with John McCain, providing $5 billion to hire more doctors and nurses at the VA Passed first and only audit of the Federal Reserve in 2010 Prevented Social Security cuts to seniors and disabled veterans Passed the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund Act Passed more roll call amendments than anyone in a Republican Congress Passed $3.2 billion in Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy grants Raised wages of federal contractors to at least $10.10 an hour in 2014 Banned the credit card interest rate bait and switch scam Doubled funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program Created the Northeast Home Heating Oil Reserve Stopped bailed-out banks from replacing US workers with low-wage guest workers Mandated free credit reports for all Americans Or how about shifting the entire Overton window in the US left? The progressive movement was almost nonexistent in the mainstream, with the exception of The Young Turks, before he ran for President, and by the time the 2020 Democratic primaries were happening you had most candidates at least pretending to be progressive. How about the massive increase in unionization this year? I would attribute a large part of those Amazon and Starbucks unionization victories to his movement and the efforts of other progressive politicians he inspired to run for office in the first place. What is Hillary's biggest accomplishment? An open slave market in Libya?
GraceRandolph Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, Thuggin said: What is Hillary's biggest accomplishment? An open slave market in Libya?
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) Omg, Thuggin... The "Stop! Stop! He's already dead" meme comes to mind ---- Bernie: *Prevents Social Security cuts to seniors and disabled veterans* Biden: 1 hour ago, Thuggin said: Primary turnout is always low compared to general elections, and Democratic primary voters are not representative of general election voters. And to add, this is literally the DEFINITION of why Bernie is more electable than Hillary and why he did better than her against Trump in like EVERY general election poll Edited July 14, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
Buddy Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Armani? said: His approval is lower that usual with Black voters, we just wont vote Republican I've noticed this on the internet, but it's the internet not real life so who knows? I honestly believe the reason they don't do **** is because they believe they will always have the black vote in the bag. I kinda hope that black voters scare them into thinking they're not unconditional, because without them they are nothing and that leverage could really shake them up into actually doing something. The problem is that in 2024 Democrats will most certainly run on it being yet another existential crisis.
Armani? Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buddy said: I've noticed this on the internet, but it's the internet not real life so who knows? I honestly believe the reason they don't do **** is because they believe they will always have the black vote in the bag. I kinda hope that black voters scare them into thinking they're not unconditional, because without them they are nothing and that leverage could really shake them up into actually doing something. The problem is that in 2024 Democrats will most certainly run on it being yet another existential crisis. They have the older Black vote always locked. Its mostly people Under 40 dragging him
ClashAndBurn Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 The way they CONSTANTLY misrepresent data and statistics. I’m embarrassed for the KHive.
Buddy Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Thuggin said: Primary turnout is always low compared to general elections, and Democratic primary voters are not representative of general election voters. Also, young voters turned out in record numbers in the general for Biden, so I don't know why you assume they wouldn't turn out even more for Bernie. If you truly believe this, then you fundamentally have zero clue what goes on on the left. There is so much disagreement and infighting among Bernie supporters and on the left in general. Bernie supporters have given him **** all the time whenever he's been too soft on Israel, too positive about the Biden administration, too validating of Russiagate, not supportive of Force the Vote, supportive of the Democratic Party, just to name a few examples. Whereas I have never see ANY Hillary/Biden/Obama supporters hold them accountable for literally anything. Also, a few of Bernie's accomplishments: Provided 9 million more Americans with primary healthcare, 2 million more with dental care, and 860,000 more with mental health services through a $12.5 billion expansion in community health centers Raised the wages of 350,000 Amazon workers to $15 an hour Increased the wages of over 60,000 Disney workers to at least $15 an hour Restored $320 million in pension benefits to 130,000 IBM workers Passed veterans legislation with John McCain, providing $5 billion to hire more doctors and nurses at the VA Passed first and only audit of the Federal Reserve in 2010 Prevented Social Security cuts to seniors and disabled veterans Passed the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund Act Passed more roll call amendments than anyone in a Republican Congress Passed $3.2 billion in Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy grants Raised wages of federal contractors to at least $10.10 an hour in 2014 Banned the credit card interest rate bait and switch scam Doubled funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program Created the Northeast Home Heating Oil Reserve Stopped bailed-out banks from replacing US workers with low-wage guest workers Mandated free credit reports for all Americans Or how about shifting the entire Overton window in the US left? The progressive movement was almost nonexistent in the mainstream, with the exception of The Young Turks, before he ran for President, and by the time the 2020 Democratic primaries were happening you had most candidates at least pretending to be progressive. How about the massive increase in unionization this year? I would attribute a large part of those Amazon and Starbucks unionization victories to his movement and the efforts of other progressive politicians he inspired to run for office in the first place. What is Hillary's biggest accomplishment? An open slave market in Libya? This educated spill I get my education paid for by the disabled veteran funds and started my education journey the same year Bernie was appointed to lead Veteran Affairs. Had the Republicans succeeded in cutting disabled veterans benefits, I might not have that luxury today. Kassi will understate the Overton window argument because young voter turnout is so massively overpowered by older voters. But a day will come eventually that's not the case.
Armani? Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: The way they CONSTANTLY misrepresent data and statistics. I’m embarrassed for the KHive. The Chanteezy tweet LOL Have they said anything about Biden's anti abortion judge pick or are they just ignoring it?
ClashAndBurn Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 Just now, Armani? said: The Chanteezy tweet LOL Have they said anything about Biden's anti abortion judge pick or are they just ignoring it? I mean I haven’t looked that hard, but I haven’t seen anything. The media in general is also ignoring it so they probably don’t even know to be honest with you. - Speaking of, this is why we shouldn’t count on abortion to save Dems in November. And why that TikTok user talking about Bernie Bros and Susan Sarandon was wrong about the midterms being about bodily autonomy. Only 6% of voters listed abortion as their top issue. The smallest group outside of whatever else maybe covered in the Other category.
nadiamendell Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 16 hours ago, i spit on haters said: A Sarandon & Marianne Williamson ticket ? with Susan's power & influence to sway an entire election and Williamson's politics that most dem voters agree with, now that's something to VOTE for. Imagine the possibilities.
Communion Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Kassi said: All for the fleeting chance that rural and non-college whites I genuinly wonder what axis is at work for an affluent person of color to continue to deny and erase that their politics are drastically different to working class people of color. Biden's presidency is over and we're still getting flagrantly trolling and inaccurate hot takes from 1%'s who somehow think one aspect of identity erases all others. It's funny because someone who actually cares about older black people could give a nuance and strong defense of why they are partisan Dems without needing to needlessly erase the reality of why most POC actually aren't partisan, including young black voters. Groups can have differences without those differences always being moral failures. But of course you aren't arguing for a defense of these older black voters. You're pushing 1% politics and trying to frame it as something else and lashing out over no one buying it. Which is why you continually cite Bernie's support as white despite that Bernie continually won non-white voters over Biden or that Biden's strength amongst whites (often the uneducated ones! GASP!) being greater than his strength.amongst non-white voters is how he won Super Tuesday. You don't walk away from ST a winner cause of *checks notes* Alabama alone. But of course we warned this would all happen. We said that your privileged rich people politics pushed under the guise of identity would backfire and only stretch the contradictions of capitalism, disillusioning the Democrat base. And well.....*gestures to Biden being the most unpopular president in documented history, below Trump*
nadiamendell Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 14 hours ago, Kassi said: I agree it's time to move on from Bernie. Saw some in here advocating for his potential run and I just had to remind everyone that he's done absolutely nothing at his big age to earn anyone's vote. It's definitely time for the youth like Pete Buttigieg to rise up. Girl, I thought you weren't coming back to this thread until the midterms. What happened???
Communion Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 "Only poor white conservative men vote for progressive policies!!!" The way this is already untrue in terms of who values policies the most when voting, but if you go further to just simply supporting leftist policy, suddenly poor white conservative men includes: - Younger white women - Younger white men - Older Hispanic men - Older Hispanic women - Younger Hispanic men - Younger Hispanic women - Older Asian women - Older Asian men - Younger Asian women - Younger Asian men - Older black women - Older black men - Younger black women - Younger black men Literally the only force in the way of this country having the kind of policies people like Bernie exclusively talk about are Older conservative white men, their wives, and affluent non-white voters. Working class black parents are the demographic most disproportionately burdened with student debt. Many say they won't come out in midterms if there's inaction. And yet Biden thanks these voters by saying he has no sympathy for them and calls their kid lazy for not getting a full ride. Whose personal politics and agenda are some of yall preaching?
Cruel Summer Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Kassi said: What I’ve come to understand is that Bernie supporters view him like the gays on this forum view their popstar faves. They have no baseline beliefs except that Bernie is good and everything he does and wants is good, and everyone that opposes him is literally evil. That’s how you end up with slogans like #BernieOrBust It’s also why they can’t see through his political posturing and facade to get to the substance of the fact that he’s never ACTUALLY done anything for anyone. The only cult of personality that rivals (and probably surpasses) his is Trump’s. And that’s largely because Trump at least won some elections. Not you literally describing the Joe, Kamala, and Nancy stans ThE sUbStAnCe Of ThE fAcT sis, there’s no substance to that at all! It’s just an extremely weird thing you keep bringing up, repeatedly, ignoring what he has done, ignoring the context of Congress flat out refusing to consider many leftist policies, and further ignoring that nobody gives a **** because we’re not lodged up Bernard Sanders’ rear!
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 The American people are getting sick and tired of Biden's Ukrainian-asset behavior
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) Obama and Trump had to laugh and Hey Biden: being Saudi Arabia's b***h is not "America First." Edited July 14, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
Thuggin Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 Remember a few years back when right wing Christian fundamentalists had to pretend to care about women and gays in their crusade against Islamic fundamentalism? They want the exact same things...but in white and guided by a different mythical book.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 Yes, sue their anti-Democratic asses, king ----- and Biden should at least be consistent and fair. If you're gonna lock people up for doing things, then it would only be consistent and fair for you to lock up your son for doing those exact same things as well. No wonder people view him as dishonest and corrupt
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