Kassi Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 6 hours ago, DAP said: He’s in great company with Pelosi and Schumer then Pelosi is the reason why the minimum wage is up, you won't be denied health insurance for being sick as a kid, and the global economy is still intact. But I'll give you half credit for hitting the nail right on the head with Amy Schumer's cousin.
Kassi Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, Buddy said: Without Bernie, I would never have plugged myself into politics. He is the sole reason I began realizing the urgency to involve myself. Vapid do-nothings who believe in NOTHING like Biden are the reason I've lost all hope & am considering plugging out for good. Okay, and some people started paying attention to politics because of Hillary, or Bush, or Pelosi, or Trump, or Obama, or AOC, or Elon Musk, or The View, or w/e. Still hasn't impacted your (and most of our) life in any material way. He is the definition of vapid and do-nothing. Even the issues he supposedly champions have long been a part of the Democratic Party platform and been championed to a far greater degree by other party figures, e.g. single-payer = Ted Kennedy, climate change = Al Gore, campaign finance = Biden, anti-war = Nancy Pelosi (and these are people with actual receipts behind their support). Even at his peak, Bernie was basically Ted Kennedy if Ted Kennedy was soft on guns and low-key xenophobic.
Communion Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Kassi said: Okay, and some people started paying attention to politics because of Hillary, or Bush, or Pelosi, or Trump, or Obama, or AOC, or Elon Musk, or The View, or w/e. Still hasn't impacted your (and most of our) life in any material way. He is the definition of vapid and do-nothing. Even the issues he supposedly champions have long been a part of the Democratic Party platform and been championed to a far greater degree by other party figures, e.g. single-payer = Ted Kennedy, climate change = Al Gore, campaign finance = Biden, anti-war = Nancy Pelosi (and these are people with actual receipts behind their support). Even at his peak, Bernie was basically Ted Kennedy if Ted Kennedy was soft on guns and low-key xenophobic. The way you'll forever be doing this out of anger cause someone (heh!) cloxked the income bracket ages ago. Y'all always go from curious centrists to reactionaries who suddenly understand privilege rhetoric when called out. The amount of "it doesn't matter if I make six figures now, my parents in a country far worse off than yours did not!" diversion tactics when faced with the shortcomings of one's ideology we've had to face in this thread. Cue the other user arguing "I migrated from a third world country so it is my RIGHT to deny poor Latin American women health insurance benefits!!! **** stimulus checks, I''m allowed to hate poor people who want $17 an hour to clean!". Spoiler: Class is not inheritable. You don't carry it like baggage that sticks with you even when the material reality has changed. Either you have access and opportunity or you don't. And it seems like everyone who does keeps trying to attack the few political figures who argued everyone should have such as a right. I wonder why. As if anyone should listen to people about Bernie's impact when they eat more the less others have. You go be hired as a union buster or a property manager. Edited July 13, 2022 by Communion
Seiko Oomori Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 7 hours ago, Kassi said: Just wanted to drop in with a friendly reminder that career politician Bernie Sanders has never done anything for you. Have a good day. your obsession with bernard even though the majority of progressives are disillusioned with him and could care less it's giving OBH
Seiko Oomori Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Communion said: The way you'll forever be doing this out of anger cause someone (heh!) cloxked the income bracket ages ago. Y'all always go from curious centrists to reactionaries who suddenly understand privilege rhetoric when called out. The amount of "it doesn't matter if I make six figures now, my parents in a country far worse off than yours did not!" diversion tactics when faced with the shortcomings of one's ideology we've had to face in this thread. Cue the other user arguing "I migrated from a third world country so it is my RIGHT to deny poor Latin American women health insurance benefits!!! **** stimulus checks, I''m allowed to hate poor people who want $17 an hour to clean!". Spoiler: Class is not inheritable. You don't carry it like baggage that sticks with you even when the material reality has changed. Either you have access and opportunity or you don't. And it seems like everyone who does keeps trying to attack the few political figures who argued everyone should have such as a right. I wonder why. As if anyone should listen to people about Bernie's impact when they eat more the less others have. You go be hired as a union buster or a property manager.
Kassi Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 Speaking of income brackets, Bernie has been paid $240,000 yearly for two decades to do absolutely nothing for you. If we're talking about replacing Biden in 2024, then we should only be reserving that amount of do-nothingness for young, up-n-comers like Pete Buttigieg. Anyone can forgive young politicians for not having too many notches on their belts (see: Obama). However, career politicians should have something to show for their time in office before begging us to hand them more power. Also, praise for segregationists, opposition to busing, calling for cutting social security, proudly voting for the 94 crime bill, pushing 80-years-old with a worrisome medical history? I'm sorry folks, but Bernie Sanders is just too vulnerable to go against Trump.
Kassi Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Seiko Oomori said: your obsession with bernard even though the majority of progressives are disillusioned with him and could care less it's giving OBH Ok, and? Did I lie? What has Bernie done for you? Maybe you can solve this little mystery for us.
Cruel Summer Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kassi said: then we should only be reserving that amount do-nothingness for young, up-n-comers like Pete Buttigieg Who conveniently polls at zero with black voters, which is exactly where the rest of the Democratic Party is eventually headed! Fantastic idea, Kassi, you truly have your finger on the pulse of the American voter.
Communion Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Seiko Oomori said: They love throwing their weight around and then hate when you give it as good back to them. Literally screaming "STOP BEING OBSESSED WITH ME!!! BEING POOR IS NOT A VIRTUE!!!". Them in here talking about "Bernie has done nothing for YOU and YOU just can't see it ". Okay well YOU think that because your way of life literally relies on being able to be a parasite that feeds off of and exploits the very people who felt that Sanders spoke for them and their desire for equality. "Bernie is the 1%" they scream - exactly, which shows being affluent doesn't preclude someone from supporting progressive policy, which means there's no excuse for Kassi and others to continue hating poor people. Only immense privilege could make people see their entire worldview collapse before them and still feel okay talking down to people who predicted the failure of the figures they championed. French revolution-era realness.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 The thing is that, unlike neolibs (especially KHive cultists), progressives support POLICY. Thus, unlike neolibs (especially KHive cultists), we aren't afraid to criticize the politicians we like whenever they disappoint (for example, Bernie being too soft and approving too much money to Ukraine and Fetterman being too much of an Israel simp, etc). So if someone comes along who has better policies than Bernie, I will be 100% behind them - but KHive and Hillary Bros wouldn't budge from their fave even if Jesus Christ Himself entered the race because they don't support policy, they support a "bOsS qUeEn!1" And unlike Obsessed Bernie Haters, progressives dislike particular politicians due to their policies. Not, like neolibs, due to politicians' supporters or TONES or IDENTITY POLITICS or due to being jealous of the fact that they are PANNED while progressive politicians and especially progressive policy are viewed favorably, etc
Kassi Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: Who conveniently polls at zero with black voters, which is exactly where the rest of the Democratic Party is eventually headed! Fantastic idea, Kassi, you truly have your finger on the pulse of the American voter. So true, bestie. He might just have to ring up Bernie for details on his strategy for avoiding the black vote. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/bernie-sanders-thinking-he-will-win-it-all-2020/587326/ Not that I would personally recommend Pete go with a 30% approach. He's still young enough to build a bigger base of support imo.
Cruel Summer Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Kassi said: So true, bestie. He might just have to ring up Bernie for details on his strategy for avoiding the black vote. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/bernie-sanders-thinking-he-will-win-it-all-2020/587326/ Not that I would personally recommend Pete go with a 30% approach. He's still young enough to build a bigger base of support imo. That's nice! Bernie didn't poll at zero with black voters though.
Mean Trees Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 Politics would most probably be better if we just filled political offices by putting people's name in a hat and picking a random winner.
Kassi Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Communion said: Okay well YOU think that because your way of life literally relies on being able to be a parasite that feeds off of and exploits the very people who felt that Sanders spoke for them and their desire for equality. Given that Bernie's target groups are deeply conservative working class white male, college students who consider voting to be counterrevolutionary and the 2% of black people who hate Obama, I can't really say he speaks for ME or my COMMUNITY.
Communion Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kassi said: So true, bestie. He might just have to ring up Bernie for details on his strategy for avoiding the black vote. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/bernie-sanders-thinking-he-will-win-it-all-2020/587326/ Not that I would personally recommend Pete go with a 30% approach. He's still young enough to build a bigger base of support imo. See? Look at the way the good sis clutches onto anything they can find, even when the article has largely been debunked for its framing. None of the campaign itself ever said "30%" and the reason why they didn't go after the *older* black vote - Bernie polled first amongst black people born the past 4 decades - is because they believed it would only be possible via emphasizing Biden's corruption problems, shaky electability and attacking him. Sanders himself didn't want to do that, and so they accepted that was simply not a demographic that was movable. But of course all progressives already know this - that we lost 2020 because Sanders became weak and wouldn't attack "his dear friend Joe" even after another primary was rigged in front of his eyes. Which is why most progressives don't give him the day of day in 2022. But of course someone who doesn't engage in politics for material needs wouldn't understand that. If you stan Pelosi for personality and celebrity, you'll assume everyone else's engagement with politicians is the exact same. But oh how wrong these people are and will always be.
Seiko Oomori Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Kassi said: Ok, and? Did I lie? What has Bernie done for you? Maybe you can solve this little mystery for us. none of the useless, do-nothing idiots in our joke of a government have done anything for me or any marginalized person and we owe them 0 respect and support on either side of the aisle, and i don't waste my precious time constantly hating on them and riling up their fans because i dislike them, you should try it Edited July 13, 2022 by Seiko Oomori
Kassi Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 Who is that one poster kidding? The American left is little more than a Bernie cult of personality. If Bernie wasn't their cult leader, him voting for border security even before 2020 would have been the biggest betrayal of the day, but he was incapable of error. That's why his entire right wing record was overlooked. Like, in 2016, they forgave Bernie for voting for the crime bill and condemned Hillary for just talking about it in the same breath. What do you even call that?
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 13, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 13, 2022 More and more Progressives in 2022: "Bernie is okay, but we need to try to focus on expanding the left beyond just Bernie." Neoliberals: "BeRnIe HaSn'T pAsSeD aNyThInG" It's tired y'all.
Kassi Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 I agree it's time to move on from Bernie. Saw some in here advocating for his potential run and I just had to remind everyone that he's done absolutely nothing at his big age to earn anyone's vote. It's definitely time for the youth like Pete Buttigieg to rise up.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 Thoughts on Jill being as racist towards Latinos (likening them to tacos) as her husband, bestie? @Kassi Also Pete is gay so the idea of him ever winning a national election where the Republicans would be screaming that he’s a groomer. Not to mention, ridiculing him for taking paternity leave and letting the airlines collapse while overseeing DoT. None of that is… a good look for his future in politics I fear.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: That's nice! Bernie didn't poll at zero with black voters though. I can confirm!
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 13, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted July 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, Kassi said: I agree it's time to move on from Bernie. Saw some in here advocating for his potential run and I just had to remind everyone that he's done absolutely nothing at his big age to earn anyone's vote. Neither has Biden, boo. Maybe focus on his lack of accomplishments.
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) Meanwhile... 7 minutes ago, Bloo said: Neither has Biden, boo. Maybe focus on his lack of accomplishments. and Biden's been in the Senate or Executive Office SINCE 1972 (excluding Trump's 4 years) [and nearly always on the wrong side of history], so it's IRONIC that his stans are calling others "career politicians" as a drag Edited July 14, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan
Communion Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kassi said: I can't really say he speaks for ME or my COMMUNITY. .........landlords? --- This trolling bait is funny just cause it then forces us to realize how at odds it is with reality, like how often conservative white men were why Biden essentially got pushed to the front of the pack on Super Tuesday, especially when we actually got into states that don't lean R+15. For example: Though of course only a troll can make the argument "Bernie bad because he couldn't win the deep-red South but that's why Pete is good even though he would lose it even worse!". Surely this isn't the best use of your time? If I had the resources and opportunities in life that made me resent politicians who believe healthcare should be free and poverty is bad, I wouldn't be wasting it being miserable and antagonistic to people who proved my worldview of neoliberalism was bust Edited July 14, 2022 by Communion
Thuggin Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 Pete has 0 percent chance of ever winning a general election even if he did ever get the nom. No one wants gay charisma-less Obama impersonator.
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