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[teresaguidice]

you know it's dire when even the pod save america biden propagandists, while not going so far as to actually critique on the merits, admitted biden is not meeting the moment at all optically and lacks drive and passion. obviously obama speechwriters think optics are all that matters and material reality is irrelevant  but this mild critique feels eviscerating coming from them given how their brand is stumping for the dnc. 
 

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Biden should be out there showing a sense of urgency and showing that this is the fight of our lives, and acting like he is going to run through a brick wall for the American people every single day. Will that make substantive progress in Congress? Probably not, not until this election, but will it potentially build the political coalition we need to win a real majority and also earn the trust of people who want to believe that if we do get that real majority, we're going to make real progress? Yeah.

 

 

 

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It's a Joe Biden problem to solve. And it's not even necessarily a White House problem because, you know, Dana Milbank at the Washington Post wrote this column that the Biden folks have been sending round and the DNC has been sending around about how actually Joe Biden is saying all the things that all you people want him to say and that when he gives remarks about Dobbs or about guns or about Republican book bans, he's calling out their extremism, he's calling out that bullshit. And you read the column and you're like, yeah, I guess he is saying those words in the remarks, but they're not really getting through because he doesn't have the passion. I think there's a lot of smart people in that White House that know what the message should be, but he's the one who has to deliver it. And it can only be him.

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by teresaguidice

[ClashAndBurn]

8 minutes ago, teresaguidice said:

you know it's dire when even the pod save america biden propagandists, while not going so far as to actually critique on the merits, admitted biden is not meeting the moment at all optically and lacks drive and passion. obviously obama speechwriters think optics are all that matters and material reality is irrelevant  but this mild critique feels eviscerating coming from them given how their brand is stumping for the dnc. 
 

 

Well, I’d say it goes to this excerpt from an article:

 

 

The only thing Biden has done that he’s cared about was bringing troops home from Afghanistan. Everything else has been half-hearted at best. Therefore, there is no passion. Therefore, he gets grump at being called out for not doing more and lambasts everyone to his left as being out of touch when he’s the one showing sympathy to right wing causes and appointing anti-abortion judges to lifetime positions in Kentucky.

 

He’s more enthusiastic about making deals with Mitch McConnell than delivering an agenda that his party would actually want to see. Harry Reid complained about Biden ruining every deal he got his hands on back when Dems controlled the Senate, but Biden as VP was still deferential to the Republican minority.

 

That’s why I have no doubt that Social Security is on the chopping block if Republicans gain control of both houses. He won’t vote to repeal Obamacare because that’s indirectly his own personal legacy. But DeSantis will have free reign to do just that in 2025.

[rihannabiggestfan]

I mean ... Biden saying "the first thing I would do as president is beat Donald Trump" (aka do NOTHING) really said it all

 

Ultimately, the answer for Biden to these embarrassing questions (that he "continued to struggle to answer") is "to be president"

 

[GraceRandolph]

7 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

I mean ... Biden saying "the first thing I would do as president is beat Donald Trump" (aka do NOTHING) really said it all

 

Ultimately, the answer for Biden to these embarrassing questions (that he "continued to struggle to answer") is "to be president"

 

Biden, campaigning against DeSantis in 2024: “The first thing I’ll do in my second term is defeat Donald Trump!”

[rihannabiggestfan]

 

 

 

 

 

[rihannafan]

3 hours ago, teresaguidice said:

you know it's dire when even the pod save america biden propagandists, while not going so far as to actually critique on the merits, admitted biden is not meeting the moment at all optically and lacks drive and passion. obviously obama speechwriters think optics are all that matters and material reality is irrelevant  but this mild critique feels eviscerating coming from them given how their brand is stumping for the dnc. 
 

 

Yikes...

[ClashAndBurn]

You know...  I'm honestly pretty sure that the takeaway from Biden's inevitable loss in 2024 (or Kamala, tbf) will be that he moved too far left, the ARP was an inflationary mistake, and the only way to course-correct will be for the Dems to run someone far to the right of Biden, like Joe Manchin, Tim Ryan, or John Delaney.

Edited July 12, 2022 by ClashAndBurn

[Harrier]

I think establishment dems/donors have never loved Joe, and still don't - they tried to make Pete, Kamala, Beto & even Klobuchar happen during the primary and settled on Joe only as a last resort to stop Bernie. If his numbers remain this bad Obama will encourage Joe to not run again, that's my prediction 

 

My concern is that they'll line up behind a candidate that is literally even worse electorally, like Pete or Kamala. 

[spree]

Dems need a celebrity, someone totally out of the blue that emerges just like Trump did.

[VOSS]

11 minutes ago, spree said:

Dems need a celebrity, someone totally out of the blue that emerges just like Trump did.

Taylor will be 35 in time

[Cruel Summer]

6 hours ago, Harrier said:

I think establishment dems/donors have never loved Joe, and still don't - they tried to make Pete, Kamala, Beto & even Klobuchar happen during the primary and settled on Joe only as a last resort to stop Bernie. If his numbers remain this bad Obama will encourage Joe to not run again, that's my prediction 

 

My concern is that they'll line up behind a candidate that is literally even worse electorally, like Pete or Kamala. 

If he chooses not to run or is unable to do so, then I think Kamala takes his place as far as incumbency bias in the primary. It won't be complete - she'll be much more vulnerable to a challenge. But she'll initially lead the ticket with, I think, some real risk of squeaking out a win. Pete will do well, too, should he enter, but I guarantee he'd be her VP pick either way.

The problem here is that I can't name a single progressive, leftist challenger who would have a shot at beating them who would also have a shot at the general election outside of some weird miracle run from AOC where she says and does all the right things and young people finally decide to vote (and I know she's not perfect, and I don't think she's likely to run). Like I literally cannot name you someone who I even think has a minuscule chance of replicating even Bernie 2020 numbers, let alone 2016, or actual victory. It's kind of terrifying, and we're only a year out from when most people will start announcing their candidacy - so there's not a lot of time to find other options out there.

[rihannabiggestfan]

The General election LANDSLIDE that Dems could have had, I-

 

 

If only the Dem establishment embraced their base and didn't actively attack them.

 

Those numbers...Hillary, Biden, and ESPECIALLY Kamaler could never.

 

Instead of those numbers, Dems got an embarrassing GE loss in 2016 and an embarrassingly weak GE win in 2020 by a mere 43k votes lol

[spree]

16 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

The General election LANDSLIDE that Dems could have had, I-

 

 

If only the Dem establishment embraced their base and didn't actively attack them.

 

Those numbers...Hillary, Biden, and ESPECIALLY Kamaler could never.

 

Instead of those numbers, Dems got an embarrassing GE loss in 2016 and an embarrassingly weak GE win in 2020 by a mere 43k votes lol

I don't understand why you keep bringing up Bernie time and time again?  He's 80 years old!  He'll never win.  Why live in the past so much?

[rihannabiggestfan]

12 minutes ago, spree said:

I don't understand why you keep bringing up Bernie time and time again?  He's 80 years old!  He'll never win.  Why live in the past so much?

Are you not aware of Biden's age? Don't be ageist, there are so many 80 year olds who are sharp as a tack - just because Biden isn't doesn't make that untrue. My point is that if the Democrat establishment were smart/clever like the Republican establishment, they would motivate and rally their base and go with the momentum instead of doing everything possible to make sure they get their establishment candidate even if they're unelectable

Edited July 12, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan

[Vroom Vroom]

47 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

 Pete will do well, too, should he enter, but I guarantee he'd be her VP pick either way.

Pete would bring nothing to her ticket. She would pick an older straight moderate white man as her vp, who has more experience in government. Tim Kaine 2.0. 
 

2024 is looking like a Biden and Trump rematch. A literal nightmare that no one wants. A majority of people don’t want either of them to run, but US citizens should be used to horrible presidential candidates 

 

2028 will be a wide open primary for both the republican and democrat primaries. Kamala, Pritzker, AOC, Newsom, ect. Unless Biden wins in 2024 and steps down half way through his second term to allow Kamala to become the first woman president. Then she would be the incumbent 

Tbh, I can’t see Trump or Biden making it through a full second term

 

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said:

The problem here is that I can't name a single progressive, leftist challenger who would have a shot at beating them who would also have a shot at the general election outside of some weird miracle run from AOC where she says and does all the right things and young people finally decide to vote (and I know she's not perfect, and I don't think she's likely to run). Like I literally cannot name you someone who I even think has a minuscule chance of replicating even Bernie 2020 numbers, let alone 2016, or actual victory. It's kind of terrifying, and we're only a year out from when most people will start announcing their candidacy - so there's not a lot of time to find other options out there.

This is the shitty part and part of why I get frustrated with calls for Bernie to run in 2024. Sure, I'd vote for him against Biden/Pete/Kamala. But we need someone new. Honestly, even a completely unknown or someone we might write off like AOC needs to run in 2024 to at least hopefully build up some profile for future runs and to keep some momentum up for the left. I don't think AOC would win in 2024, but I think she should at least try to run just for the sake of seeing how she'd do on a national stage, build up her profile, and also spark some momentum for the left. We need something. Right now, we have nothing. So someone needs to run to at least just reinvigorate our own base for future races even if it means no immediate win in 2024.

[Cruel Summer]

8 minutes ago, Bloo said:

This is the shitty part and part of why I get frustrated with calls for Bernie to run in 2024. Sure, I'd vote for him against Biden/Pete/Kamala. But we need someone new. Honestly, even a completely unknown or someone we might write off like AOC needs to run in 2024 to at least hopefully build up some profile for future runs and to keep some momentum up for the left. I don't think AOC would win in 2024, but I think she should at least try to run just for the sake of seeing how she'd do on a national stage, build up her profile, and also spark some momentum for the left. We need something. Right now, we have nothing. So someone needs to run to at least just reinvigorate our own base for future races even if it means no immediate win in 2024.

Honest to god, despite her missteps here and there, I would literally move across the country to work on AOC’s campaign if she ran, if there’s any way I could help - because I agree, we have nothing. We have the dirt under our feet, years of failure and of the Democrats trying to stomp us into dust, and nothing else. I don’t even think I believe in electoral politics as a means to get anything done anymore, and I’d still do it. If a meaningful third party managed to claw its way out of hell and mount a leftist challenge to the existing system I’d do the same for that entity. We do, absolutely, need something.

[spree]

39 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said:

Pete would bring nothing to her ticket. She would pick an older straight moderate white man as her vp, who has more experience in government. Tim Kaine 2.0. 
 

2024 is looking like a Biden and Trump rematch. A literal nightmare that no one wants. A majority of people don’t want either of them to run, but US citizens should be used to horrible presidential candidates 

 

2028 will be a wide open primary for both the republican and democrat primaries. Kamala, Pritzker, AOC, Newsom, ect. Unless Biden wins in 2024 and steps down half way through his second term to allow Kamala to become the first woman president. Then she would be the incumbent 

Tbh, I can’t see Trump or Biden making it through a full second term

 

What if Trump wins and then Biden runs again in 2028 for HIS 2nd term? 

[rihannabiggestfan]

Biden would NOT win after losing a general election to Trump (Hillary teas). The blatant dementia Biden would have in his 90s and late 80s tho, Feinstein WHO?  he would bomb like his embarrassing 1988 and 2008 presidential runs where he won a combined total of ZERO states #unelectable

Edited July 12, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan

[Bloo]

38 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

Honest to god, despite her missteps here and there, I would literally move across the country to work on AOC’s campaign if she ran, if there’s any way I could help - because I agree, we have nothing. We have the dirt under our feet, years of failure and of the Democrats trying to stomp us into dust, and nothing else. I don’t even think I believe in electoral politics as a means to get anything done anymore, and I’d still do it. If a meaningful third party managed to claw its way out of hell and mount a leftist challenge to the existing system I’d do the same for that entity. We do, absolutely, need something.

I 100% agree. If AOC were to run, do I think she'd win? Not at this point. AOC has naïve instincts at the moment that could easily cost her a general election. However, that's why I'd love for her to get more engaged in national politics. She's young and she's the most prolific voice we have that isn't Bernie. Despite her missteps (of which, there are several), I would gladly donate, phonebank, and go door-to-door for her to try to gin up support for a challenge to the Democratic mainstream and to strengthen a leftist future in the Democratic Party.

 

That being said, in this scenario, I still maintain that AOC cannot be the sole voice or figure on the left. We still need outside activist efforts and organizers to hold the powerful accountable (including AOC). We cannot put all our eggs into the electoral politics basket because that's a loser's bet. But I think it's important to push the Democratic Party left while we try to strengthen the outside movement as well. 

[rihannabiggestfan]

The Hispanic community said "ENOUGH."

 

 

It's time for the Bidens to start treating Hispanics with the respect and dignity that they deserve.

 

 

[slik]

I keep paying attention to the guy in the pink shirt and tie, seems either very nervous or fidgety.

 

[spree]

maybe his Grindr notifications are going off...

[Chemist]

 

[slik]