ZeroSuitBritney Posted July 4 Posted July 4 @Underclass Kingย are you going to contribute anything to this thread or are you just going to hop in here throughout the day to thumbs members you don't agree with because their posts have a speck of Biden criticism? 1
byzantium Posted July 4 Posted July 4 5 minutes ago, bunnyeyes said: We're getting a trump revenge tour aren't we... That seems to be Biden's plan.ย 1 1
Bewitched Posted July 4 Posted July 4 CNN, MSNBC, NY Times and all these public figures saying Biden should resignโฆ. Please tell me how tf do they think if Biden resigns that whoever is his replacement is gonna make such a huge impression to the nation in under 4 months that everybody is gonna vote for the new candidate.ย All this bs fearmongering is just gonna make Trump win evenย more and make even democrats who are planning to vote for Biden either go red or just not vote at all. Ffs Reagan was basically a corpse during his 2nd term with his Alzheimer's. We all know Biden shouldn't have run a 2nd term but it is what it is. I don't want Trump to win again. Vote blue. 1
dman4life Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Also anyone doubting Kamala's electability are severely underestimating the voters that want NEITHER Trump nor Biden at this point. She'll get votes by default just for being a younger candidate. Not saying she'll win at all but we shouldn't underestimate the part of the electorate who just simply want someone different, irregardless of party and policy.ย 2 1
Gottasadae Posted July 4 Posted July 4 7 minutes ago, dman4life said: Also anyone doubting Kamala's electability are severely underestimating the voters that want NEITHER Trump nor Biden at this point. She'll get votes by default just for being a younger candidate. Not saying she'll win at all but we shouldn't underestimate the part of the electorate who just simply want someone different, irregardless of party and policy.ย How is she different if she's serving as his right hand almost for 4 yearsย In any case, she can replace Biden anytime if he got re-elected, so what's the problem? We are voting not only for Biden himself but also Kamala as a full packageย 1
Communion Posted July 4 Posted July 4 52 minutes ago, on the line said: It's the user's overall tone and rhetoric that actually did it for me. I have/had? a friend who similarly got radicalized by a girlfriend.ย Again, claiming someone is radicalized means nothing and serves as an empty dog whistle when not acknowledging the views held are no different (and probably more sympathetic) than the very views Biden held for decades about those with drug addiction. Referring to people as extremists and radical as snarl terms doesn't do anything. It is clear to most people to be a liberal attempt to silence dissenting voices. ย Biden's brain just leaked out his ear on live TV. Anyone who defended the establishment, liberal norms, status quo, etc. has inherently lost all credibility and has really no room to grandstand or talk down to anyone. ย Like this you were saying this a few months: ย You ended up being wrong! I don't know how other ways to say it! Take it on the chin like a champ and maybe start listening to the radicals you're talking down to.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 4 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: How is she different if she's serving as his right hand almost for 4 yearsย In any case, she can replace Biden anytime if he got re-elected, so what's the problem? We are voting not only for Biden himself but also Kamala as a full packageย You're voting for an Alzheimer's patient who barely knows who he his and can barely speak in full sentences when not aided by a teleprompter. That's hardly a full package so much as it is an Empty Box. 1
byzantium Posted July 4 Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: How is she different if she's serving as his right hand almost for 4 yearsย In any case, she can replace Biden anytime if he got re-elected, so what's the problem? We are voting not only for Biden himself but also Kamala as a full packageย Then put Kamala at the top of the ticket. ย This is not going to get better for Biden. ย Democrats don't even want him. ย How the heII are they going to get people outside the party.ย
dman4life Posted July 4 Posted July 4 5 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: How is she different if she's serving as his right hand almost for 4 yearsย In any case, she can replace Biden anytime if he got re-elected, so what's the problem? We are voting not only for Biden himself but also Kamala as a full packageย Umm the difference is not having Biden on the ticket at allย
byzantium Posted July 4 Posted July 4 18 minutes ago, dman4life said: Also anyone doubting Kamala's electability are severely underestimating the voters that want NEITHER Trump nor Biden at this point. She'll get votes by default just for being a younger candidate. Not saying she'll win at all but we shouldn't underestimate the part of the electorate who just simply want someone different, irregardless of party and policy.ย For an example, my mom, a centrist leaning suburban voter in WI thinks both parties have not listened to voters and has decided to sit out the presidential election. ย She has specifically said that she would vote for the Democratic Biden replacement for the sole reason that it would show they at least listened to voters.ย
Gottasadae Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said: You're voting for an Alzheimer's patient who barely knows who he his and can barely speak in full sentences when not aided by a teleprompter. That's hardly a full package so much as it is an Empty Box. Yes, and? I better vote for Alzheimer, bed bound Biden thanย schizophrenic con artist, convicted felon, pedophile, self-proclaimed kingโฆ that suffering from constant delusion and lying effectย
byzantium Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Do people seriously think this guy is the strongest candidate? ย ย ย ย
Gottasadae Posted July 4 Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, byzantium said: Do people seriously think this guy is the strongest candidate? ย ย ย ย I'm not defending at all but you need to watch Reagan's last debates, where he looked much worse than Biden and he already suffered Alzheimer.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Gottasadae said: I'm not defending at all but you need to watch Reagan's last debates, where he looked much worse than Biden and he already suffered Alzheimer. Imagine what that says about the Democrats who went up against him and flopped. They nominated MONDALE after his running-mate got trounced, and Mondale was basically a Joe Biden-type Demย ย
byzantium Posted July 4 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: I'm not defending at all but you need to watch Reagan's last debates, where he looked much worse than Biden and he already suffered Alzheimer. Reagan also had ~60% approval rating. ย Biden currently has the lowest of an incumbent president. ย ย My point in brining this up is Reagan was popular. Biden needs to actually go out and campaign and make up ground. I don't see how the man in that clip will be capable of inspiring people to him. ย
midnightdawn Posted July 4 Posted July 4 25 minutes ago, dman4life said: Also anyone doubting Kamala's electability are severely underestimating the voters that want NEITHER Trump nor Biden at this point. She'll get votes by default just for being a younger candidate. Not saying she'll win at all but we shouldn't underestimate the part of the electorate who just simply want someone different, irregardless of party and policy.ย People always say that but then I bet they'll still be like when it was Trump vs Hillary... "I don't really like her" "I don't trust her". Her record in politics and campaigning history is not great. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted July 4 Posted July 4 ย ย On the other hand, scarcity and shielding him from the public may be what's keeping him sliding out of margin of error in the now-swing states of New Hampshire, New Mexico and Colorado ย
GraceRandolph Posted July 4 Posted July 4 42 minutes ago, Bewitched said: Please tell me how tf do they think if Biden resigns that whoever is his replacement is gonna make such a huge impression to the nation in under 4 months that everybody is gonna vote for the new candidate.ย All this bs fearmongering is just gonna make Trump win evenย more and make even democrats who are planning to vote for Biden either go red or just not vote at all. Ffs Reagan was basically a corpse during his 2nd term with his Alzheimer's. We all know Biden shouldn't have run a 2nd term but it is what it is. I don't want Trump to win again. Vote blue. We don't know if a replacement will beat Trump, but Biden can't really expand his coalition at all. He can't even communicate atp, and wouldn't you rather take the risk of a new candidate than continue on Biden's sinking ship?ย
CandleGuy Posted July 4 Posted July 4 18 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: Yes, and? I better vote for Alzheimer, bed bound Biden thanย schizophrenic con artist, convicted felon, pedophile, self-proclaimed kingโฆ that suffering from constant delusion and lying effectย Or, Biden can do the right thing and drop out so we don't have to choose between a rotting corpse vs the end of democracy. 2
shelven Posted July 4 Posted July 4 ย Tweets like this are so emblematic of why so many Dem elected officials are so out of touch with the electorate (and, as a side note, also why Newsom would be a horrendous general election candidate and maybe the only person the Dems could put forward who Biden would outperform).ย ย Like... what the hell does "now it's time for us to have Biden's back" even mean? Do these people know that he's the president of one of the world's most influential countries and isn't our bestie who we have to comfort and support as he goes through a personal tough time? ย It's not the electorate's job to do the president a solid and cheer him up when he's feeling down, it's their job to pick a competent leader for their country 6 4
dman4life Posted July 4 Posted July 4 10 minutes ago, midnightdawn said: People always say that but then I bet they'll still be like when it was Trump vs Hillary... "I don't really like her" "I don't trust her". Her record in politics and campaigning history is not great. Yeah I do also agree with this which is why I think it'll be a risk either way but having Biden at the top of the ticket or skipping over the black woman VP as a candidate will be disastrous for the party. This is really all a messย
Communion Posted July 4 Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, shelven said: ย Tweets like this are so emblematic of why so many Dem elected officials are so out of touch with the electorate (and, as a side note, also why Newsom would be a horrendous general election candidate and maybe the only person the Dems could put forward who Biden would outperform).ย ย Like... what the hell does "now it's time for us to have Biden's back" even mean? Do these people know that he's the president of one of the world's most influential countries and isn't our bestie who we have to comfort and support as he goes through a personal tough time? ย It's not the electorate's job to do the president a solid and cheer him up when he's feeling down, it's their job to pick a competent leader for their country Sanders' statement is unsurprisingly the only one that seems coherent while still following party line wrt Biden: ย ย Another House Dem criticizing Biden: Is there a count or tracker for who is coming out of this on what side? I saw Tim Waltz and K*thy H*chul released statements after the Dem governor meeting w/ Biden voicing their support for him. ย A ย 1
ClashAndBurn Posted July 4 Posted July 4 6 minutes ago, shelven said: ย Tweets like this are so emblematic of why so many Dem elected officials are so out of touch with the electorate (and, as a side note, also why Newsom would be a horrendous general election candidate and maybe the only person the Dems could put forward who Biden would outperform).ย ย Like... what the hell does "now it's time for us to have Biden's back" even mean? Do these people know that he's the president of one of the world's most influential countries and isn't our bestie who we have to comfort and support as he goes through a personal tough time? ย It's not the electorate's job to do the president a solid and cheer him up when he's feeling down, it's their job to pick a competent leader for their country Same thing applies to Whitmer, who is the one everyone here has been hyping as the next best bet ย ย
on the line Posted July 4 Posted July 4 44 minutes ago, Communion said: Again, claiming someone is radicalized means nothing and serves as an empty dog whistle when not acknowledging the views held are no different (and probably more sympathetic) than the very views Biden held for decades about those with drug addiction. Referring to people as extremists and radical as snarl terms doesn't do anything. It is clear to most people to be a liberal attempt to silence dissenting voices. ย Biden's brain just leaked out his ear on live TV. Anyone who defended the establishment, liberal norms, status quo, etc. has inherently lost all credibility and has really no room to grandstand or talk down to anyone. ย Like this you were saying this a few months: ย You ended up being wrong! I don't know how other ways to say it! Take it on the chin like a champ and maybe start listening to the radicals you're talking down to. No, thanks. You're just barking and regurgitating like most loud-mouthed political commenters. I prefer to avoid it. ย Good luck with Trump's second term. We're gonna need it. 1
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