news [Day 1035] Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Russia Already Exploiting Israel Attacks to Bolster War in Ukraine: ISW (newsweek.com)

 

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Following the outbreak of large-scale violence in southern Israel and Gaza, former Russian president and current deputy chair of Russia's security council, Dmitry Medvedev, said that the U.S. had been "helping the neo-Nazis" rather than focusing on finding a Palestinian-Israeli settlement. The Kremlin has said its full-scale invasion of Ukraine is a "special military operation" to "denazify" the government in Kyiv. This has been rejected by Ukraine and the international community.

 

"What can stop America's manic passion for sparking conflicts everywhere on the planet?" Medvedev, who is known for his bellicose and anti-Western rhetoric, wrote in a post to Telegram on Saturday.

 

 

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KYIV — Russia’s army has killed more than 500 children in Ukraine since the start of its full-scale invasion in February 2022, Ukrainian prosecutors say.    

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-soldiers-kill-ukraine-children-documentary-war/#:~:text=Terror against civilians is part of Russian military strategy%2C experts say.&text=KYIV — Russia's army has killed,February 2022%2C Ukrainian prosecutors say.

 

Since May 2023, a total of 148 children have been killed or injured in Ukraine, bringing the number of child casualties since the escalation of war on 24 Feb last year to more than 1,700, according to UN data. This includes 545 deaths, with 24 children killed this summer.Aug 22, 2023

 

https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/ukraine-child-casualties-ukraine-rise-7-over-summer-over-540-children-killed-18-months-war#:~:text=Since May 2023%2C a total,24 children killed this summer.

 

@ZIVERT  Disgusting. 

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Translation (Ukrainian to English): “Hundreds of thousands of citizens are trying to avoid mobilization, this issue will be settled, - the Ministry of Defense. VIDEO“

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22 hours ago, Aristotle said:

KYIV — Russia’s army has killed more than 500 children in Ukraine since the start of its full-scale invasion in February 2022, Ukrainian prosecutors say.    

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-soldiers-kill-ukraine-children-documentary-war/#:~:text=Terror against civilians is part of Russian military strategy%2C experts say.&text=KYIV — Russia's army has killed,February 2022%2C Ukrainian prosecutors say.

 

Since May 2023, a total of 148 children have been killed or injured in Ukraine, bringing the number of child casualties since the escalation of war on 24 Feb last year to more than 1,700, according to UN data. This includes 545 deaths, with 24 children killed this summer.Aug 22, 2023

 

https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/ukraine-child-casualties-ukraine-rise-7-over-summer-over-540-children-killed-18-months-war#:~:text=Since May 2023%2C a total,24 children killed this summer.

 

@ZIVERT  Disgusting. 

Just disgusting. But that’s Russia

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📰 FRONTLINE REPORT: Russians lose 1,030 troops, 75 tanks and armored vehicles in one day

 

 

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/10/14/frontline-report-russians-lose-1030-troops-75-tanks-and-armored-vehicles-in-one-day/

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Komet blu said:

 

📰 FRONTLINE REPORT: Russians lose 1,030 troops, 75 tanks and armored vehicles in one day

 

 

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/10/14/frontline-report-russians-lose-1030-troops-75-tanks-and-armored-vehicles-in-one-day/

 

 

 

A top Ukrainian commander has claimed that Russia’s biggest offensive in months – involving tanks, thousands of soldiers and armoured vehicles in an attack on the eastern Ukrainian town of Avdiivka – is failing, as he admitted Kyiv’s own attempts to advance in the south were proving “difficult”. At least 36 Russian tanks and armoured vehicles were destroyed in the first 24 hours, he said. According to the Kyiv Post, that figure has risen to 102 tanks and 183 armoured vehicles lost, with 2,840 troops killed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/15/russia-ukraine-war-live-russia-striking-avdiivka-with-everything-they-have-says-city-official

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4 minutes ago, VeniceBeach said:

 

Love to see it 👏🏼👏🏼

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Zelenskyy feeling increasingly isolated according to TIME

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Imagine to waste that amount of money on genocide and terror, when good part of Russia keep living in total poverty. putin priorities 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by Gottasadae

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This negotiation could have been done a year and a half ago. Less people would have died and the land boundaries would have been about the same.

 

Biden pretty much ordered Zelenskyy to fight Russia all the way down to the last Ukrainian, though. Kinda sickening, tbh.  

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2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

This negotiation could have been done a year and a half ago. Less people would have died and the land boundaries would have been about the same.

 

Biden pretty much ordered Zelenskyy to fight Russia all the way down to the last Ukrainian, though. Kinda sickening, tbh.  

Imagine having "Free Palestine" in your member title and still spreading anti-Ukrainian theses. I guess everyone should respect the territorial integrity of countries and the right of people to live peacefully without war-mongering neighbors only when it doesn't apply to Ukraine, right? Or by that logic, should Palestinians give Israel 1/4 of Gaza to make a peace deal with them so "less people will die"? You are a western tankie living in Georgia who knows nothing about Ukraine, its history or its difficult historic relations with Russia. The few people who escaped from Mariupol to the western regions of Ukraine want to return home, to Ukrainian Mariupol.  Go stick to your posts about Biden, because this war would've happened without Zelensky OR Biden anyway

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8 minutes ago, VeniceBeach said:

Imagine having "Free Palestine" in your member title and still spreading anti-Ukrainian theses. I guess everyone should respect the territorial integrity of countries and the right of people to live peacefully without war-mongering neighbors only when it doesn't apply to Ukraine, right? Or by that logic, should Palestinians give Israel 1/4 of Gaza to make a peace deal with them so "less people will die"? You are a western tankie living in Georgia who knows nothing about Ukraine, its history or its difficult historic relations with Russia. The few people who escaped from Mariupol to the western regions of Ukraine want to return home, to Ukrainian Mariupol.  Go stick to your posts about Biden, because this war would've happened without Zelensky OR Biden anyway

Nothing about my post was anti-Ukraine, but ok. If my post was anti-anything, it's anti-Joe Biden and anti-US, because the war was needlessly prolonged and the lines on the battlefield haven't changed even with Western weaponry supporting Ukraine's spring counter-offensive.

 

Funny how the Ukrainians and their supporters also tend to be pro-Israel, though.  

 

Sorry that noted tankie outlet NBC elicited such a negative reaction from you.

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2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Nothing about my post was anti-Ukraine, but ok.

Suggesting Ukraine give up 1/4 of its territory is indeed anti-Ukrainian. I ask you again, should the Palestinians by your logic give up 1/4 of their land so the war with Isreal doesn't continue for the next 75 years? Isn't it "prolonged" enough?

 

3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

it's anti-Joe Biden and anti-US, because the war was needlessly prolonged and the lines on the battlefield haven't changed even with Western weaponry supporting Ukraine's spring counter-offensive.

 

Funny how the Ukrainians and their supporters also tend to be pro-Israel, though.  

 

Sorry that noted tankie outlet NBC elicited such a negative reaction from you.

Imagine telling the people of Kherson (250,000 inhabitants) that Ukraine would have concluded a "peace" treaty a year and a half ago so they would have been left to live under Russian occupation? People living there met Ukrainian soldiers with tears and joy back in November 2022, they hid Ukrainian flags in their houses and waited for the moment when they would be freed.

It's enough to be anti-Russia, tell Putin to stop this war and there will be an actual peace.

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Just now, VeniceBeach said:

Suggesting Ukraine give up 1/4 of its territory is indeed anti-Ukrainian. I ask you again, should the Palestinians by your logic give up 1/4 of their land so the war with Isreal doesn't continue for the next 75 years? Isn't it "prolonged" enough?

Well, sorry but that seems to be the deal that's on the table as the West forgets about Ukraine to focus on helping Israel genocide the Palestinians and push 2M people completely out of Gaza. Not 1/4 of Gaza, but all of it.

 

3 minutes ago, VeniceBeach said:

It's enough to be anti-Russia, tell Putin to stop this war and there will be an actual peace.

Putin is not accountable to me, and he's barely accountable to his own people since he's rendered it illegal to protest him there. My own government is the only one I can actually make demands of, but clearly even then, Genocide Joe doesn't consider himself accountable to voters and would rather put his full support behind an ethnic cleansing effort than trying to deter it. I would never presume to tell Zelenskyy that his fight isn't worth it, and I am truly happy for the people of Kherson, but I deplore my own country for giving Ukraine promises it wouldn't be able to have the political bandwidth to keep.

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One more point that is a bit related to the above topic. Why did Ukraine react in such way to the situation in Gaza and now actively support Israel?
 

I want to remind you that Ukraine is one of the few European countries that recognizes the independence of Palestine. Until 2023 they continuously voted in the UN against Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands. In December 2016, Ukraine as a non-permanent member of the United Nations Security Council voted in favor of resolution 2334, which criticized Israel's settlement policy in the West Bank. Ukraine's ambassador to the UN, Volodymyr Yelchenko, likened Israel's settlement of the West Bank to the Russian occupation of Crimea. And even after the start of the war, in November 2022, Ukraine supported a UN resolution that asked the International Court of Justice to investigate Israel's "prolonged occupation, settlement and annexation of Palestinian territory".

Now the situation is becoming more complicated. Since the beginning of the war, only Western countries started to actively assist Ukraine, so all support and Ukraine's ability to defend itself depends on them. Ukraine cannot "piss off" its Western partners, otherwise it will immediately lose all the support. Another detail is the weapons. Ukraine asked Israel for its air defense systems to defend itself against Russian missiles, but they refused so to not damage its cooperation with Russia in Syria. Now, by actively changing their stance on Israel they hope to still get air defenses, because now Israel and Russia's relations have worsened. And there is ONE more detail, since the beginning of Summer 2022 Iran started supplying Russia with its drones, which are attacking Ukraine every day. Many of them severely damaged the country's energy infrastructure this winter and left millions of Ukrainians without heat and water for days. Iran is an enemy of Israel and Ukraine benefits from the deterioration of their relations so that Iran can no longer help Russia with weapons and focus only on Isreal.

It's all geopolitical games, if the West's opinion on Israel changes, Ukraine will change it too. As long as there is a war going on, Ukraine cannot afford to have a policy different from the West. Blame the West, not Ukraine that is stuck in a battle of superpowers.

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10 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

This negotiation could have been done a year and a half ago. Less people would have died and the land boundaries would have been about the same.

 

first of all, that's not even true because 1.5 years ago the city of Kherson and Kharkiv regions were still occupied by Russia

secondly, I thought that the right to resist the occupant and invader is sacred? what happenned to that?

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8 minutes ago, VOSS said:

 

This is such a **** situation. russia's biggest strength has been always its large manpower that russia's authorities don't care to lose (and in case of its asian populations is almost happy to lose).

 

Sad thing is that even if the peace treaty will be reached, russia will be back to Ukraine in a few years

Edited November 5, 2023 by TasteOfYourLips

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What happened with this thread? Did Americans get bored with this conflict and decide to spend money helping Israel bomb civilians in Gaza instead?

 

White House says it is nearly out of money to help Ukraine fight war with Russia
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/white-house-says-it-is-nearly-out-money-help-ukraine-fight-war-with-russia-2023-12-04/

 

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WASHINGTON, Dec 4 (Reuters) - White House budget director Shalanda Young warned in a letter to Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson and other congressional leaders on Monday that the United States was running out of time and money to help Ukraine fight its war with Russia.